Starly (Analysis) [GP: 2/2]

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[Overview]
<p>Starly is a Pokemon that could be an effective sweeper if it weren't outclassed by other Flying-type Pokemon, namely Taillow and Doduo. Starly's Attack and Speed stats aren't very good, and its defenses aren't something to brag about either. Its ability is near useless, as Pokemon don't often rely on moves that lower accuracy. On the other hand, it does have two great STAB moves in Brave Bird and Return, which it can use to great effect.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Return
move 3: U-turn / Pursuit
move 4: Final Gambit
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Keen Eye
nature: Adamant
EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def / 196 Spe


[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is the only set that Starly will be able to use effectively and competently. It has a great 120 base power STAB move in Brave Bird. Return is another decent STAB attack, as it does not cause recoil damage, unlike Brave Bird. U-turn is a nice move for scouting. Final Gambit can deal major damage to opponents that Starly has trouble defeating, such as Bronzor, Magnemite, and Slowpoke. Pursuit is good for trapping Ghost-types, such as Choice Scarf Gastly locked into Shadow Ball, as Starly has a helpful immunity to Ghost-type attacks.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EVs maximize Starly's Attack and Speed, while the rest are put into its defenses. An Adamant nature is preferred, as Starly will then have a good boost to its power. Starly really appreciates Rapid Spin support, as Stealth Rock is crippling for it. Staryu and Tentacool aren't bad ideas, but Baltoy is perhaps the best option, as it is immune to Electric- and resists Rock-type attacks. Pokemon that can beat Bronzor, such as Ponyta and Houndour, are also good partners for Starly. Most attacks coming from Pokemon that are faster than Starly will do a number on it, as Starly has very poor defenses. A physically defensive Pokemon, such as Bronzor, can stall out Starly or set up entry hazards.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Starly gets Steel Wing for the rare Rock-types, such as Cranidos. Agility could be used, but Starly is unlikely to get a free turn to double its Speed. In addition, an Endeavor set could be used with a Focus Sash and Quick Attack, unless Stealth Rock is up, or damaging weather is happening, which is why this set should be used as a lead. Heat Wave and Hidden Power Ground can be used to do some damage to troublesome Pokemon, including Bronzor, Ferroseed, and Magnemite, but Starly's Special Attack stat is too low for them to be viable. Starly can abuse Roost, but its defenses let it be KOed rather easily. Starly could also use a Life Orb or Choice Band set, but it lacks the Speed to do so effectively. Revenge is another option, but in this metagame, priority attacks are in abundance, making it useless. Finally, Starly can use Toxic if it is being walled by the likes of Slowpoke, or Featherdance to lower a Ferroseed’s Gyro Ball, as this will reduce their walling capabilities</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Bronzor resists both of Starly's STAB attacks, while U-turn or Pursuit won't be doing much damage, either. Most Steel-types, in general, also fare very well against Starly, since they resist both Flying- and Normal-type attacks. In addition, most Choice Scarf users that can outspeed Starly usually pack a super effective attack and can KO with said move. Choice Scarf Gastly outspeeds and OHKOs Starly with a STAB Sludge Bomb or Thunderbolt. Magnemite resists all of Starly's attacks and it destroys Starly with STAB Thunderbolt. Also, Slowpoke's defense is too high for any of Starly's attacks to do much damage, and it can easily stall out Starly's STAB attacks by recovering with Slack Off.</p>
 

Diana

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Mention certain spinners. Staryu and Tentacool are always good options, and Baltoy resists Electric and Rock which is nice.

Also mention how Magnemite doesn't care about Starly at all.

Starly can actually use a couple more things in Other Options, its movepool is weak but it has a few things. Steel Wing for the rare Rock-types, Final Gambit, Agility, Endeavor for a last-ditch attack, and Return if you don't like recoil. Revenge could hit Pawniard too.
 

metsrule158

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Sorry it took me so long. I wasn't able to reach a computer in a couple of days. Thanks Diana for those changes, they have been made.
 

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take aerial ace out of OO, it's not worth mentioning.

same with facade (it doesn't get guts).

stuff that beats bronzor like houndour and ponyta makes good partners.

as far as your counters section...

-anything that can outspeed this set
-Choice Scarf Ghastly outspeeds and OHKOs with a STAB Sludge Bomb
-Dwebble can Shell Smash and then sweep the team Dwebble takes a ton from a brave bird. It can then be revenge killed.
-Choice Scarf Elekid can OHKO with basically anything Choice scarf Elekid is not to be discussed.
-Magnemite resists all of Starly's attacks and counters with a STAB Thunderbolt

Bronzor is counter #1, and slowpoke switches into it all day. Gligar doesn't care about anything it does either.

edit: yeah i forgot to stamp it. [qc 2/2]
 
Mention Heat Wave and HP Ground to get rid of pesky Steels. The former hits Bronzor and the latter hits Rock-types, both of which are pretty rare, but Heat Wave hits Ferro hard and has higher base power between the two.

Damn thing doesn't get Reckless. BS.

I really would slash Return with Double-Edge, not just mention it in AC. It's not that big of a power drop, and the recoil is nasty, nasty, nasty.

Mention Roost. It sucks, but Starly has it. So mention it.

Mention Stealth Rock, because Starly is weak to it.

Mention Life Orb and Choice Band, which both suck horribly due to its frailness, SR weakness, and meh speed. Also Work Up.

Revenge looks like a decent option for Fighting/Flying coverage, but shitty, shitty priority kills it.

Useless moves you must nonetheless mention because they are viable on other pokemon: Toxic and Featherdance.
 

metsrule158

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thanks nails and darkamber. the changes were made. full analysis will be up soon.

@darkamber: i did mention Stealth Rock
 

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In the beginning, mention it's good points, then it's bad points.

Just a suggestion.
 

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[Overview]
<p>Starly is a Pokemon that could be an effective sweeper if it was not outclassed by other Flying-type Pokemon, namely Taillow and Doduo. Starly's Attack and Speed stats aren't very good, and its defenses aren't something to brag about either. Its ability is also quite near useless, as Pokemon don't often rely on moves that lower accuracy. On the other hand, it does have two great STAB moves in Brave Bird and Double Edge, which it can use to great effect.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Brave Bird / Pluck
move 2: Double Edge / Return
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Pursuit / Quick Attack
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Keen Eye
nature: Adamant
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 196 Spe

[Set Comments] [SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is most likely the only set that Starly is capable of attempting a sweep at the only set that Starly will be able to use effectively and competently. It has two great Base 120 base power STAB moves in Brave Bird and Double Edge. Pluck can be used instead of Brave Bird; it does a lot less damage, but can potentially steal a berry from Pokemon such as Dwebble. U-turn is a nice move for scouting. Pursuit is good for trapping Ghost-types, (comma) like such as Choice Scarf Gastly locked into Shadow Ball, as Starly has a nice helpful immunity to Ghost-type attacks. Quick Attack is a nice solid priority STAB attack that can be used to finish off Pokemon with low health.</p>

[Additional Comments] [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EVs maximize Starly's Attack and Speed;, (comma) with the rest going while the rest are put into its defenses. With an Adamant nature, Starly raises its average Attack An Adamant nature is preferred, as Starly will then have a good boost to its power. A good partner of Starly's is a spinner so that Starly won't lose 25% health every switch-in, which means that Staryu and Tentacool aren't bad ideas, and Baltoy resists two of Starly's weaknesses; Electric and Rock Starly really appreciates Rapid Spin support, as Stealth Rock is crippling for it. Staryu and Tentacool aren't bad ideas, but Baltoy is perhaps the best option, as it resists Electric- and Rock-type attacks. A Pokemon that can beat Bronzor, such as Ponyta and Houndour, are also good partners of for Starly. Any Pokemon that can outspeed Starly can KO it Most Pokemon that are faster than Starly will do a number, as Starly has very poor defenses. A physically defensive Pokemon, such as Bronzor, can stall out Starly and or set up entry hazards.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Starly gets Steel Wing for the rare Rock-types, such as Cranidos. Final Gambit, if Starly has enough health, has the ability to take out a threat. wall, such as Bronzor or Mangnemite. Agility could be used, (comma) if Starly gets but Starly is unlikely to get a free turn to double its Speed. In addition, an Endeavor set could be used with a Focus Sash and Quick Attack, put the prevalence of damaging weather and entry hazards make such a set gimmicky (you need to talk about whether or not a set is good or bad...). Return can be used instead of Double Edge if the recoil is a problem. Heat Wave and Hidden Power Ground can be used to take out many do some damage to troublesome Pokemon, including Bronzor and Ferroseed, but Starly's Special Attack stat is too low for them to be viable. Roost would also be viable if Starly's defenses were better. If Starly's Speed was better, it might have been able to run a Choice Band or Life Orb set Starly can abuse Roost, but its defenses mean that it is KOed rather easily. Starly could also use a Life Orb or Choice Band set, but it lacks the Speed to do so effectively. Revenge is another option, but in this metagame, priority attacks are in abundance, meaning that it is rather gimmicky (same as before, explain these more...). Finally, Starly can use Toxic or Featherdance (how does Featherdance help against Slowpoke) if it is being walled by the likes of Slowpoke, as this will damage the walling capabilities (EXPLAIN!!!).</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Bronzor resists both of Starly's STAB<space>attacks, and while U-turn and or Pursuit won't be doing much damage, (remove comma) either. Most Steel-types in general also fare very well against Starly, since they resist both Flying- and Normal-type attacks. In addition, most Choice Scarf users that can outspeed Starly usually pack a super effective attack and can KO with said move. Choice Scarf Gastly outspeeds and OHKOs Starly with a STAB Sludge Bomb or Thunderbolt. Magnemite resists all of Starly's attacks and counters it destroys Starly with a STAB Thunderbolt. Also, Slowpoke's defense is too high for any of Starly's attacks to do much damage, and it can easily stall out Starly's STAB attacks by recovering with Slack Off.</p>


Alright, that's definitely a significant improvement from your last analysis. The Overview was great, although it could have used some more detail. Same goes for the Checks and Counters section. Also, the Additional Comments section wasn't really as good as some of the other sections, but you're definitely improving, which is a really good thing.

GP Approved 1/2

 

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[Overview]
<p>Starly is a Pokemon that could be an effective sweeper if it was not weren't outclassed by other Flying-type Pokemon, namely Taillow and Doduo. Starly's Attack and Speed stats aren't very good, and its defenses aren't something to brag about either. Its ability is near useless, as Pokemon don't often rely on moves that lower accuracy. On the other hand, it does have two great STAB moves in Brave Bird and Double Edge, which it can use to great effect.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Brave Bird / Pluck
move 2: Double Edge / Return
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Pursuit / Quick Attack
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Keen Eye
nature: Adamant
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 196 Spe


[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is the only set that Starly will be able to use effectively and competently. It has two great 120 base power STAB moves in Brave Bird and Double Edge. Pluck can be used instead of Brave Bird; it does a lot less damage, but can potentially steal a berry from Pokemon such as Dwebble. U-turn is a nice move for scouting. Pursuit is good for trapping Ghost-types, such as Choice Scarf Gastly locked into Shadow Ball, as Starly has a helpful immunity to Ghost-type attacks. Quick Attack is a solid priority STAB attack that can be used to finish off Pokemon with low health.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EVs maximize Starly's Attack and Speed, while the rest are put into its defenses. An Adamant nature is preferred, as Starly will then have a good boost to its power. Starly really appreciates Rapid Spin support, as Stealth Rock is crippling for it. Staryu and Tentacool aren't bad ideas, but Baltoy is perhaps the best option, as it resists is immune to Electric- and resists Rock-type attacks. Pokemon that can beat Bronzor, such as Ponyta and Houndour, are also good partners for Starly. Most attacks coming from Pokemon that are faster than Starly will do a number on it, as Starly has very poor defenses. A physically defensive Pokemon, such as Bronzor, can stall out Starly or set up entry hazards.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Starly gets Steel Wing for the rare Rock-types, such as Cranidos. Final Gambit, if Starly has enough health, has the ability to take out a wall, such as Bronzor or Mangnemite. Agility could be used, but Starly is unlikely to get a free turn to double its Speed. In addition, an Endeavor set could be used with a Focus Sash and Quick Attack, unless Stealth Rock is up, or damaging weather is happening, which is why this set should be used as a lead,.(period, no comma) so this does not happen. Return can be used instead of Double Edge if the recoil is a problem. Heat Wave and Hidden Power Ground can be used to do some damage to troublesome Pokemon, including Bronzor and Ferroseed, but Starly's Special Attack stat is too low for them to be viable. (Perhaps specify who Hidden Power Ground is supposed to hit. If you mean Magnemite, work it into this sentence) Starly can abuse Roost, but its defenses mean that it is let it be KOed rather easily. Starly could also use a Life Orb or Choice Band set, but it lacks the Speed to do so effectively. Revenge is another option, but in this metagame, priority attacks are in abundance, meaning that it would be making it useless. Finally, Starly can use Toxic if it is being walled by the likes of Slowpoke, or Featherdance to lower a Ferroseed’s Gyro Ball, as this will damage the reduce their walling capabilities</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Bronzor resists both of Starly's STAB attacks, while U-turn or Pursuit won't be doing much damage,(comma, space)either. Most Steel-types,(space) in general,(comma) also fare very well against Starly, since they resist both Flying- and Normal-type attacks. In addition, most Choice Scarf users that can outspeed Starly usually pack a super effective attack and can KO with said move. Choice Scarf Gastly outspeeds and OHKOs Starly with a STAB Sludge Bomb or Thunderbolt. Magnemite resists all of Starly's attacks and it destroys Starly with STAB Thunderbolt. Also, Slowpoke's defense is too high for any of Starly's attacks to do much damage, and it can easily stall out Starly's STAB attacks by recovering with Slack Off.</p>

Excellent work. Awkward word choices in places, but still excellent, so...



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Sorry to post this so late, especially after GP Checks and everything, but:

<Al_Alchemist> whats the rule on "outclassed" analyses
<Zeph> I don't think there is a "rule"
<Zeph> every pokemon is deserving of an analysis regardless of effectivity
<Al_Alchemist> but if there is something that it can do that isnt outclassed compared to the other pokemon but is slightly less effective
<Al_Alchemist> which would take priority
<Al_Alchemist> an example: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3450698
<DoomVM> i think the rule is you don't give an analysis if something is outclassed in a tier unless the only thing it can do is be outclassed
<DoomVM> but ive never written anything
<DoomVM> so
<DoomVM> im probably 100% wrong
<Al_Alchemist> taillow does this set 100% better all the time, but starly has final gambit which taillow doesn't
<Zeph> It's more of an opinion than anything
<Al_Alchemist> shouldn't final gambit be included on the main set so it doesnt get outclassed yet is still slightly as effective
<Zeph> but if you want a better answer than what I have, asking SevenDeadlySins would most likely be the best way to go
<Al_Alchemist> well you're on the qc team arent you?
<SevenDeadlySins> ASK AND YE SHALL RECEIVE
<SevenDeadlySins> or something
<Al_Alchemist> o
<Al_Alchemist> sds
<Al_Alchemist> look up :D
<SevenDeadlySins> final gambit is really neat
<Al_Alchemist> i mean starly can just spam returns then come out on something like a low enough health slowpoke
<Al_Alchemist> then kill it
<SevenDeadlySins> yeah
<Al_Alchemist> it already passed qc and gp check though so idk
<Al_Alchemist> i would tell mets to add final gambit over something though like pursuit
<SevenDeadlySins> yeah
<SevenDeadlySins> do that
<SevenDeadlySins> and say i told you to tell him

<Al_Alchemist> can i just copy pasta this conversation on the thread?
<SevenDeadlySins> sure
 

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Why Al? this is because i beat you in the new LC isn't it?? Oh well. thanks nix hex and al. changes are made and this analysis is done!
 

Al_Alchemist

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Make Return the main option over Double-Edge and don't have slashes over Final Gambit, as its a must on the set in order to not be 100% outclassed by Taillow. You can slash Pursuit over U-Turn though, but Quick attack is meh, especially on a scarfer.
 

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Okay so we talked on IRC and Al has a good point on Final Gambit.

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Return
move 3: U-turn / Pursuit
move 4: Final Gambit
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Keen Eye
nature: Adamant
EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def / 196 Spe

Also

Final Gambit can take out opponents Starly usually wouldn't be able to take out, such as Bronzor, Magnemite, or Slowpoke's great Defense stat.
change to

Final Gambit can deal major damage to opponents that Starly has trouble defeating, such as Bronzor, Magnemite, and Slowpoke.
 

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argh. had to get rid of the other moves and add some other stuff and ugh. anyway, thanks diana and al, i got that stuff in. this is officially DONE
 
[Other Options]

<p>Starly gets Steel Wing for the rare Rock-types, such as Cranidos. Agility could be used, but Starly is unlikely to get a free turn to double its Speed. In addition, an Endeavor set could be used with a Focus Sash and Quick Attack, unless Stealth Rock is up, or damaging weather is happening, which is why this set should be used as a lead. Return can be used instead of Double Edge if the recoil is a problem. Heat Wave and Hidden Power Ground can be used to do some damage to troublesome Pokemon, including Bronzor, Ferroseed, and Magnemite, but Starly's Special Attack stat is too low for them to be viable. Starly can abuse Roost, but its defenses let it be KOed rather easily. Starly could also use a Life Orb or Choice Band set, but it lacks the Speed to do so effectively. Revenge is another option, but in this metagame, priority attacks are in abundance, making ituseless. Finally, Starly can use Toxic if it is being walled by the likes of Slowpoke, or Featherdance to lower a Ferroseed’s Gyro Ball, as this will reduce their walling capabilities</p>
Return is the primary option in the above set, you should be mentioning that Double Edge is an option for extra power at the cost of recoil. Unless of course you decide to make Double Edge the primary option in the set, but that's for QC and you to decide. Also insert space.
 

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@EricaHartmann: Double Edge shouldn't be an option imo, it interferes too much with Final Gambit, it probably doesn't get any more significant kills anyway, certainly not enough to warrant wasting Final Gambit.
 

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@EricaHartmann: Double Edge shouldn't be an option imo, it interferes too much with Final Gambit, it probably doesn't get any more significant kills anyway, certainly not enough to warrant wasting Final Gambit.
Then please explain why It's mentioned in the overview?
 

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