Ludicolo

Ashenlock · Aug 20th, 2011, 9:46:55 PM

Lotus Duck has the potential to be the most potent GBU rain-abuser there is in Doubles. It was made to abuse rain in almost every way, similar to its sunny cousin Shiftry, but even moreso. Its ability, moveset, and typing are all excellent and make up for not-superb overall stats.

Ludicolo #272

HP: 80
Atk: 70
Def: 70
SpA: 90
SpD: 100
Spe: 70

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Ludicolo -> Double Battles

->Absorb Bulb<-

Ludicolo @ Absorb Bulb / Life Orb / Lum Berry
MODEST
+Swift Swim+
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
-Fake Out
-Hydro Pump / Scald / Surf
-Giga Drain / Grass Knot
-Ice Beam

Fake Out an undesirable opponent then proceed to get hit by Surf for paltry damage with Ludicolo's 4x Water-resistance. At that point Ludicolo will have +1 SpA and (essentially) + 2 Spd, with access to perfect coverage moves, two of which are STAB'd, one of which is also boosted by the rain. If it looks like it's possible to OHKO a foe with it, Giga Drain the HP lost from Surf back.

The choice between Hydro Pump and Scald lies in the accuracy gap, not in the Burn chance; matches played with Ludicolo are seldom matches of stall. If you choose Hydro Pump you will find that in some situations, such as against Garchomp, it will actually be wiser (if you've properly read your opponent) to use Hydro Pump, since it will hit harder than Ice Beam after a Yache Berry activates.

Lum Berry is also an option, owing to the heightened threat of a crippling Thunder Wave due to popular knowledge of Ludicolo's functionality as a Swift Swimmer.

This Ludicolo is generally used in tandem with Politoed, helping it Surf with Fake Out, but it can also switch in to another's Surf to get the boost. You may find it undesireable to have many Surf users on one team, so it may consequently be wise to use Ludicolo in one of the lead spots.

soul_survivor · Aug 20th, 2011, 10:26:49 PM

thunderwave has too much of a prescense in the doubles gbu. One twave couls cripple colo for the rest of the game. So i suggest lum berry.

Ashenlock · Aug 20th, 2011, 10:53:41 PM

Maybe I Fake Out'd all the T-Wave users or I just didn't encounter them, or I Hydro Pumped them out of commission, but I just didn't find that a problem very often. I'll add it as a secondary item, though.

lucariojr · Aug 22nd, 2011, 2:00:21 PM

slash surf in with the other 2 water moves (or at least mention it); you could very well need the spread move and maybe have something with water absorb on your team

PungentFruit · Aug 22nd, 2011, 2:16:18 PM

Slash Grass Knot for Giga Drain and give Life Orb a slash.

Ashenlock · Aug 22nd, 2011, 2:54:08 PM

Sure thing. I'll get to it when I edit in its move lists.

soul_survivor · Sep 1st, 2011, 6:35:24 PM

I don't do singles very often, but when i do i use colo as a counter-rain pokemon. Heres the set.

ludicolo@life orb/leftovers
timid
252 sp.atk, 252 spe

-substitute
-energyball/grassknot
-hydro pump
-ice beam/leech seed

Basically switch it in on something like politoed, and get a free substitute. timid is chosen to outspeed all swift swimmer running a non speed nature. The item goes between your last moveslot. orb if you go full offensive, and leftovers to make it a amazing subseeder vs rain. energyball is chosen over grass knot, because a majority of water pokemon arent heavy, but grass knot hits ttar heavy.

cosmicexplorer · Sep 1st, 2011, 6:42:11 PM

Absorb Bulb is also an option over Life Orb, as in GBU singles, Ludicolo is often in only a single time until it dies, and the power boost without recoil when switching into the water moves Ludicolo takes very little damage from is quite appreciated.

Sprocket · Oct 19th, 2011, 7:50:23 PM

This has become my favorite Doubles Pokemon to use, in conjunction with an Eject Button Hitmontop, just for the crazy amount of Fake Outs that you can do. Even outside of rain, it hits just hard enough to get the job done and is tough to stop outside of Bug/Flying attacks. The one I'm using is set up like this (originally meant for the Battle Subway, which explains why the Evs are weird, but works well in GBU):

Ludicolo @ Absorb Bulb
MODEST
+Swift Swim+
32 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 216 Spe
-Fake Out
-Surf
-Grass Knot
-Protect

It's walled by Flying and Grass types typically, but after an Absorb Bulb boost, Surf hits very hard.

Aug 20th, 2011, 9:46:55 PM	#1
Ashenlock Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 954 Drinking more Coca-Cola than all the polar bears combined.	Ludicolo Lotus Duck has the potential to be the most potent GBU rain-abuser there is in Doubles. It was made to abuse rain in almost every way, similar to its sunny cousin Shiftry, but even moreso. Its ability, moveset, and typing are all excellent and make up for not-superb overall stats. Ludicolo #272 HP: 80 Atk: 70 Def: 70 SpA: 90 SpD: 100 Spe: 70 ... PHP Code: [LEFT]Level-Up Moves -- Astonish -- Growl -- Mega Drain -- Nature Power Machine Moves TM01 Hone Claws TM06 Toxic TM07 Hail TM10 Hidden Power TM11 Sunny Day TM13 Ice Beam TM14 Blizzard TM15 Hyper Beam TM17 Protect TM18 Rain Dance TM21 Frustration TM22 SolarBeam TM27 Return TM31 Brick Break TM32 Double Team TM42 Facade TM44 Rest TM45 Attract TM46 Thief TM48 Round TM49 Echoed Voice TM52 Focus Blast TM53 Energy Ball TM55 Scald TM56 Fling TM68 Giga Impact TM70 Flash TM75 Swords Dance TM86 Grass Knot TM87 Swagger TM90 Substitute TM94 Rock Smash HM03 Surf HM04 Strength HM05 Waterfall HM06 Dive [/LEFT] Egg Moves Counter Flail Giga Drain Leech Seed Razor Leaf Sweet Scent Synthesis Teeter Dance Tickle Water Gun Pre-evolution Moves Mist Natural Gift Absorb BubbleBeam Zen Headbutt Fake Out Fury Swipes Water Sport Uproar Hydro Pump Water Pulse Gen III Tutor Moves (XD) Body Slam (XD) Counter (XD) Double-Edge (XD) DynamicPunch (XD) Endure (XD) Fire Punch (XD) Ice Punch (XD) Icy Wind (XD) Mega Kick (XD) Mega Punch (XD) Metronome (XD) Mimic (XD) Mud-Slap (XD) Seismic Toss (XD) Sleep Talk (XD) Snore (XD) Substitute (XD) Swagger (XD) Swords Dance (XD) ThunderPunch Gen IV Tutor Moves (Pt/HG/SS) Dive (Pt/HG/SS) Fire Punch (Pt/HG/SS) Ice Punch (Pt/HG/SS) Icy Wind (Pt/HG/SS) Mud-Slap (Pt/HG/SS) Seed Bomb (Pt/HG/SS) Snore (Pt/HG/SS) Synthesis (Pt/HG/SS) ThunderPunch (Pt/HG/SS) Uproar (Pt/HG/SS) Zen Headbutt (HG/SS) Headbutt [LEFT][/LEFT] Ludicolo -> Double Battles ->Absorb Bulb<- Ludicolo @ Absorb Bulb / Life Orb / Lum Berry MODEST +Swift Swim+ 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe -Fake Out -Hydro Pump / Scald / Surf -Giga Drain / Grass Knot -Ice Beam Fake Out an undesirable opponent then proceed to get hit by Surf for paltry damage with Ludicolo's 4x Water-resistance. At that point Ludicolo will have +1 SpA and (essentially) + 2 Spd, with access to perfect coverage moves, two of which are STAB'd, one of which is also boosted by the rain. If it looks like it's possible to OHKO a foe with it, Giga Drain the HP lost from Surf back. The choice between Hydro Pump and Scald lies in the accuracy gap, not in the Burn chance; matches played with Ludicolo are seldom matches of stall. If you choose Hydro Pump you will find that in some situations, such as against Garchomp, it will actually be wiser (if you've properly read your opponent) to use Hydro Pump, since it will hit harder than Ice Beam after a Yache Berry activates. Lum Berry is also an option, owing to the heightened threat of a crippling Thunder Wave due to popular knowledge of Ludicolo's functionality as a Swift Swimmer. This Ludicolo is generally used in tandem with Politoed, helping it Surf with Fake Out, but it can also switch in to another's Surf to get the boost. You may find it undesireable to have many Surf users on one team, so it may consequently be wise to use Ludicolo in one of the lead spots. __________________ 441 D/Cs and counting, baby! The Jerk Store* <- For reference only Contrary to popular belief, this is not a compendium of people who disconnect on Wi-Fi. See: Seinfeld, "The Comeback." Last edited by Ashenlock; Aug 23rd, 2011 at 8:25:06 AM.*

Aug 20th, 2011, 10:53:41 PM	#3
Ashenlock Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 954 Drinking more Coca-Cola than all the polar bears combined.	Maybe I Fake Out'd all the T-Wave users or I just didn't encounter them, or I Hydro Pumped them out of commission, but I just didn't find that a problem very often. I'll add it as a secondary item, though. __________________ 441 D/Cs and counting, baby! The Jerk Store* <- For reference only Contrary to popular belief, this is not a compendium of people who disconnect on Wi-Fi. See: Seinfeld*, "The Comeback."

Aug 22nd, 2011, 2:00:21 PM	#4
lucariojr stranger'n a snake's suspenders, but sweeter'n a stolen kiss Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 955 Mississippi	slash surf in with the other 2 water moves (or at least mention it); you could very well need the spread move and maybe have something with water absorb on your team __________________ aint i a piece of work

Aug 22nd, 2011, 2:16:18 PM	#5
PungentFruit Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 348 #swaggg	Slash Grass Knot for Giga Drain and give Life Orb a slash. __________________ ♪(┌・。・)┌

Aug 22nd, 2011, 2:54:08 PM	#6
Ashenlock Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 954 Drinking more Coca-Cola than all the polar bears combined.	Sure thing. I'll get to it when I edit in its move lists. __________________ 441 D/Cs and counting, baby! The Jerk Store* <- For reference only Contrary to popular belief, this is not a compendium of people who disconnect on Wi-Fi. See: Seinfeld*, "The Comeback."

Aug 20th, 2011, 10:26:49 PM	#2
soul_survivor Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 876 StatenIsland, NY	thunderwave has too much of a prescense in the doubles gbu. One twave couls cripple colo for the rest of the game. So i suggest lum berry. __________________ FC: 2709 6546 0200

Sep 1st, 2011, 6:35:24 PM	#7
soul_survivor Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 876 StatenIsland, NY	I don't do singles very often, but when i do i use colo as a counter-rain pokemon. Heres the set. ludicolo@life orb/leftovers timid 252 sp.atk, 252 spe -substitute -energyball/grassknot -hydro pump -ice beam/leech seed Basically switch it in on something like politoed, and get a free substitute. timid is chosen to outspeed all swift swimmer running a non speed nature. The item goes between your last moveslot. orb if you go full offensive, and leftovers to make it a amazing subseeder vs rain. energyball is chosen over grass knot, because a majority of water pokemon arent heavy, but grass knot hits ttar heavy. __________________ FC: 2709 6546 0200

Sep 1st, 2011, 6:42:11 PM	#8
cosmicexplorer pewpewpew Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,555 Bethesda, MD	Absorb Bulb is also an option over Life Orb, as in GBU singles, Ludicolo is often in only a single time until it dies, and the power boost without recoil when switching into the water moves Ludicolo takes very little damage from is quite appreciated. __________________ FATECRASHERS MADE MY AVATAR! Go look at more art! Currently out, college apps are poison. C&Cers, contact me if you need any help with anything important. Sorry!

Oct 19th, 2011, 7:50:23 PM	#9
Sprocket Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,487 Phoenix, AZ	This has become my favorite Doubles Pokemon to use, in conjunction with an Eject Button Hitmontop, just for the crazy amount of Fake Outs that you can do. Even outside of rain, it hits just hard enough to get the job done and is tough to stop outside of Bug/Flying attacks. The one I'm using is set up like this (originally meant for the Battle Subway, which explains why the Evs are weird, but works well in GBU): Ludicolo @ Absorb Bulb MODEST +Swift Swim+ 32 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 216 Spe -Fake Out -Surf -Grass Knot -Protect It's walled by Flying and Grass types typically, but after an Absorb Bulb boost, Surf hits very hard. __________________ Black FC: 2537-3042-2350 VGC2012 Analysis: Slowbro (Uploaded)