Jynx (QC 2/3)

dragonboy52 · Dec 9th, 2011, 3:14:39 AM

Jynx

[Overview]
-Good offensive stats
-Good movepool
-Very Bad defensive typing

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Lovely Kiss
move 3: Psyshock / Psychic
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is Jynx's all-ou-offense set. Fortunately, Jynx posses the Speed and movepool to
-Basic idea of the set is to put your opponent's pokemon to sleep on turn one then set up a nasty plot.
-Psyshock can be used to hit special walls that come in to wall Jynx and Psychic is a powerful special STAB
-Ice beam is its second STAB

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
-Life Orb can be used for more power while lefties can be used for more surviveability.
-Blizzard should be used over Ice Beam when using Jynx in a Hail team.
-Teammates:, Rapid Spinners like Claydol

[SET]
name: Scarf
move 1: Ice Beam
move 2: Psyshock / Psychic
move 3: Lovely Kiss / Energy Ball
move 4: Focus Blast
item: Leftovers
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
-Revenge killing set
-Ice Beam + Psy's are stabs
-Energy Ball hits bulky waters that try to come in and resist ice-beam
-Focus Blast hits dark types

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
-Choice Scarf for more speed
-Standard EV spread
-Teammates snover and rapid spinners like Claydol

[SET]
name: SubNP
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Nasty Plot
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Lovely Kiss
item: Leftovers
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

-Nasty Plot works well behind a sub
-Ice Beam = powerful STAB

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
-Lefties to ensure better survivability
-Use Blizzard over Ice Beam if you plan on using Jynx on a Hail team
Calm Mind can be used over Nasty Plot
-Teammates= , Claydol!

name: Luna
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Lovely Kiss
item: Leftovers
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
EVs: 200 HP / 56 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
-While Jynx may not have the best Defense, it does have a good special defense.
-Calm Mind works well behind a sub
-Ice Beam = powerful STAB
-Psyshock or Psychic = 2nd powerful STAB

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
-Lefties to ensure better survivability
-Use Blizzard over Ice Beam if you plan on using Jynx on a Hail team
-Teammates=-, Claydol!
-EVs allow Jynx's sub to survive hits from lanturn and other bulky waters

[Checks and Counters]

-any physical attacker
-stong Scarf fire types
-hariyama; klinklang
-Cincinno

[Other Options]

-Wish
-Mean Look + Perish Song
Fake Tears,
Wring Out,
Taunt,
Dual Screens,
Magic Coat,
Heal Bell

Cherub Agent · Dec 9th, 2011, 8:59:42 AM

no, ALWAYS use dry skin, it's far superior to the other abilities. Being able to set up on bulky waters is an invaluable skill. I'd remove it from OO for sure

SuperJOCKE · Dec 9th, 2011, 9:06:43 AM

He's right. Dry Skin, always.

elDino · Dec 9th, 2011, 9:08:13 AM

Needs a Choice Scarf set since Scarf Jynx with Ice Beam, Psychic / Psyshock, Energy Ball and Focus Blast is a great revenge killer to a variety of threats. It also does great at switching in on Water-types, too.

Specs may also be viable, but you'd have to check that with a member of QC...

Also echoing the above.

dragonboy52 · Dec 16th, 2011, 10:39:08 AM

Updated the OP.

SuperJOCKE · Dec 16th, 2011, 10:52:59 AM

Oh yeah, Choice items on Jynx is bad because many Pokémon resists her STAB moves. This I heard when I did UU Jynx; however, I don't know if this applies in RU though.

dragonboy52 · Dec 16th, 2011, 10:54:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat SuperJOCKE

Oh yeah, Choice items on Jynx is bad because many Pokémon resists her STAB moves. This I heard when I did UU Jynx; however, I don't know if this applies here though.

That's what I thought too. I'll wait for QC members to weigh in on it.

Honko · Dec 20th, 2011, 12:03:02 PM

SubCM needs Lovely Kiss and some HP. The set you have right now is just completely inferior to the Nasty Plot set and will never get a chance to set up. Change the 4th slot to Lovely Kiss / Psyshock and give it enough HP that Lanturn and defensive Omastar can't break its Subs.

Texas Cloverleaf · Dec 20th, 2011, 12:38:11 PM

Scarf Jynx is a total bitch to face, especially on a hail team
The Choice set should have Lovely Kiss>Energy Ball imo, the fast sleep is invaluable.

I also want to see a SubNP set, it is amazing against slower teams.

[SET]
name: SubNP
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Nasty Plot
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Lovely Kiss
item: Leftovers
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

Sleep stuff, set up and sweep.

Once all the changes are in VM me for a QC check.

***Oglemi**** · Dec 26th, 2011, 4:40:20 PM

please add the SubNP set and we'll go from there

dragonboy52 · Dec 26th, 2011, 11:53:14 PM

Added

Texas Cloverleaf · Dec 27th, 2011, 9:46:10 AM

Major points about SubNP: Decimates slow teams, causes issues for faster teams if it can get in on a Pokemon with <95 speed. Isn't difficult to get 2 Nasty Plots against many teams. Lovely Kiss is a complete bitch, misses at the worst times. If your facing scarfed U-turn/volt switchers, be prepared to predict well. Ice Beam is its best STAB. Dry Skin offers it pretty good switch in oppurtunities. Sub is a must, if you get caught by a Pursuit user you dont outspeed without a Scarf you will die. Good teammates include Poekemon that maintain offensive momentum and can force switches, as well as Pokemon that can take out RestTalk phazers, notably Munchlax and Hariyama who can take you all day with Thick Fat.

The overview should make mention of its great speed in RU, 95 just outpaces many things. Try and flesh that out a little if you can.

I'm fine with the NP and SubNP sets remaining separate as they play completely differently but they could be merged, I'll talk to the other QCs about it.

Sub Calm Mind would like some more teammates now that Snover is gone. For that matter, Sub Calm mind seems almost identical to SubNP which is a vastly better set so consider making Calm Mind an AC spot on the Sub NP set, again, I'll discuss with QC.

Scarf looks good, but again, no more Snover

Checks and Counters: considerably strong physical attackers-->any physical attacker, it has crap defense; scarf fire types-->Strong scarf pokemon, fire and fighting being the best choice; add munchlax; hariyama; klinklang as a check, as it can take one +2 Ice Beam and OHKO back with Gear Grind; Cincinno as well will KO an Jynx behind a Sub with Rock Blast if it gets more than 2 hits

Other Options: Cjoice set is already mentioned, Wish is mentioned twice, +Fake Tears, +Wring Out, +Taunt, +Dual Screens, +Magic Coat, +Heal Bell

Add/fix all of this, then VM me again and I'll approve it.

dragonboy52 · Dec 27th, 2011, 2:33:31 PM

Added all the stuff.

Texas Cloverleaf · Dec 28th, 2011, 4:23:21 PM

QC APPROVED 1/3

Make sure you get it all in in the write up.

dragonboy52 · Dec 29th, 2011, 1:05:14 AM

I will, thanks for the check.

Upstart · Dec 29th, 2011, 3:37:45 AM

QC APPROVED 2/3

dragonboy52 · Dec 29th, 2011, 5:17:49 AM

Thanks upstart, just need a last check before I can get to the writing!

**PK Gaming** · Dec 29th, 2011, 1:45:00 PM

Where's the SubCM set? I don't think my fellow QC members intended for you to replace it entirely with the SubNP set haha.

Add this set:
name: SubCM (or Luna if you want give respects to FlareBlitz)
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Lovely Kiss
item: Leftovers
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
EVs: 200 HP / 56 SpA / 252 Spe

The given EV spread prevent its subs from being broken by bulky water types like Lanturn, so this set is not just a palette swap of the NP set.

Add this set and i'll approve.

dragonboy52 · Dec 29th, 2011, 2:53:23 PM

PK, Texas said in his post to just mention CM in AC. But, if you think it needs to be there, I'll add it.

***Oglemi**** · Dec 29th, 2011, 3:12:28 PM

choosing between subcm jynx and subnp jynx is like choosing between subcm missy and subnp missy in UU; do you want more immediate power or a power tank?

subcm should remain as a separate set

Texas Cloverleaf · Dec 29th, 2011, 3:57:11 PM

Problem is Jynx cant afford the extra time taken to set up as it only has one immunity as opposed to 2, a shitton more weaknesses courtesy of the Ice-typing and shittastic defense to try and keep a sub alive with.

dragonboy52 · Dec 30th, 2011, 1:34:47 AM

Ok I added it. But, I have a question. PK, you said that these EVs allow Jynx's sub to take hits from Bulky Waters, but doesn't dry skin anyway make Jynx immune to Water-type moves?

sheniqua · Dec 30th, 2011, 5:04:22 AM

I'm not sure if you have to be a special member to post here, but I was just thinking that we should probably get rid of the stuff about using blizzard instead of ice beam because snow warning got banned

dragonboy52 · Dec 30th, 2011, 5:07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat sheniqua

I'm not sure if you have to be a special member to post here, but I was just thinking that we should probably get rid of the stuff about using blizzard instead of ice beam because snow warning got banned

I will during the write up.

**PK Gaming** · Dec 30th, 2011, 1:48:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat dragonboy52

Ok I added it. But, I have a question. PK, you said that these EVs allow Jynx's sub to take hits from Bulky Waters, but doesn't dry skin anyway make Jynx immune to Water-type moves?

Haha right, slip of the tongue, I probably should have stated bulky waters like Lanturn, which has coverage moves.

Dec 9th, 2011, 3:14:39 AM	#1
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	Jynx (QC 2/3) Jynx [Overview] -Good offensive stats -Good movepool -Very Bad defensive typing [SET] name: Nasty Plot move 1: Nasty Plot move 2: Lovely Kiss move 3: Psyshock / Psychic move 4: Ice Beam item: Life Orb / Leftovers ability: Dry Skin nature: Timid EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] <p>This is Jynx's all-ou-offense set. Fortunately, Jynx posses the Speed and movepool to -Basic idea of the set is to put your opponent's pokemon to sleep on turn one then set up a nasty plot. -Psyshock can be used to hit special walls that come in to wall Jynx and Psychic is a powerful special STAB -Ice beam is its second STAB [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] -Life Orb can be used for more power while lefties can be used for more surviveability. -Blizzard should be used over Ice Beam when using Jynx in a Hail team. -Teammates:, Rapid Spinners like Claydol [SET] name: Scarf move 1: Ice Beam move 2: Psyshock / Psychic move 3: Lovely Kiss / Energy Ball move 4: Focus Blast item: Leftovers ability: Dry Skin nature: Timid EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] -Revenge killing set -Ice Beam + Psy's are stabs -Energy Ball hits bulky waters that try to come in and resist ice-beam -Focus Blast hits dark types [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] -Choice Scarf for more speed -Standard EV spread -Teammates snover and rapid spinners like Claydol [SET] name: SubNP move 1: Substitute move 2: Nasty Plot move 3: Ice Beam move 4: Lovely Kiss item: Leftovers ability: Dry Skin nature: Timid EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] -Nasty Plot works well behind a sub -Ice Beam = powerful STAB [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] -Lefties to ensure better survivability -Use Blizzard over Ice Beam if you plan on using Jynx on a Hail team Calm Mind can be used over Nasty Plot -Teammates= , Claydol! name: Luna move 1: Substitute move 2: Calm Mind move 3: Ice Beam move 4: Lovely Kiss item: Leftovers ability: Dry Skin nature: Timid EVs: 200 HP / 56 SpA / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] -While Jynx may not have the best Defense, it does have a good special defense. -Calm Mind works well behind a sub -Ice Beam = powerful STAB -Psyshock or Psychic = 2nd powerful STAB [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] -Lefties to ensure better survivability -Use Blizzard over Ice Beam if you plan on using Jynx on a Hail team -Teammates=-, Claydol! -EVs allow Jynx's sub to survive hits from lanturn and other bulky waters [Checks and Counters] -any physical attacker -stong Scarf fire types -hariyama; klinklang -Cincinno [Other Options] -Wish -Mean Look + Perish Song Fake Tears, Wring Out, Taunt, Dual Screens, Magic Coat, Heal Bell __________________ Last edited by dragonboy52; Dec 31st, 2011 at 6:06:44 AM.

Dec 9th, 2011, 8:59:42 AM	#2
Cherub Agent I may be dead, but I'm still pretty. Which is more than I can say for you Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,238 intimidatingly cute Mentor	no, ALWAYS use dry skin, it's far superior to the other abilities. Being able to set up on bulky waters is an invaluable skill. I'd remove it from OO for sure __________________ (16:08) <@skylight> BUT I DID NOTHING WRONG (16:08) <@skylight> CHERUB (16:08) <@skylight> i will FUCK YOU (17:20) <@skylight> ill luvdisc your ass

Dec 9th, 2011, 9:06:43 AM	#3
SuperJOCKE Low Tier Warrior! Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,994 Location: Sweden Mentor	He's right. Dry Skin, always. __________________

Dec 9th, 2011, 9:08:13 AM	#4
elDino Deal With It. Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,478	Needs a Choice Scarf set since Scarf Jynx with Ice Beam, Psychic / Psyshock, Energy Ball and Focus Blast is a great revenge killer to a variety of threats. It also does great at switching in on Water-types, too. Specs may also be viable, but you'd have to check that with a member of QC... Also echoing the above. __________________ :D

Dec 16th, 2011, 10:39:08 AM	#5
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	Updated the OP. __________________

Dec 16th, 2011, 10:52:59 AM	#6
SuperJOCKE Low Tier Warrior! Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,994 Location: Sweden Mentor	Oh yeah, Choice items on Jynx is bad because many Pokémon resists her STAB moves. This I heard when I did UU Jynx; however, I don't know if this applies in RU though. __________________

Dec 20th, 2011, 12:03:02 PM	#8
Honko pronounced "Honko" Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,022	SubCM needs Lovely Kiss and some HP. The set you have right now is just completely inferior to the Nasty Plot set and will never get a chance to set up. Change the 4th slot to Lovely Kiss / Psyshock and give it enough HP that Lanturn and defensive Omastar can't break its Subs. __________________

Dec 20th, 2011, 12:38:11 PM	#9
Texas Cloverleaf meh Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,346 Ottawa	Scarf Jynx is a total bitch to face, especially on a hail team The Choice set should have Lovely Kiss>Energy Ball imo, the fast sleep is invaluable. I also want to see a SubNP set, it is amazing against slower teams. [SET] name: SubNP move 1: Substitute move 2: Nasty Plot move 3: Ice Beam move 4: Lovely Kiss item: Leftovers ability: Dry Skin nature: Timid EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Sleep stuff, set up and sweep. Once all the changes are in VM me for a QC check. __________________ C&C/Smog work Last edited by Texas Cloverleaf; Dec 22nd, 2011 at 2:03:59 PM.

Dec 26th, 2011, 4:40:20 PM	#10
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,523 ~(^.^)~	please add the SubNP set and we'll go from there __________________ <shade> what an intense scrotum

Dec 26th, 2011, 11:53:14 PM	#11
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	Added __________________

Dec 27th, 2011, 9:46:10 AM	#12
Texas Cloverleaf meh Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,346 Ottawa	Major points about SubNP: Decimates slow teams, causes issues for faster teams if it can get in on a Pokemon with <95 speed. Isn't difficult to get 2 Nasty Plots against many teams. Lovely Kiss is a complete bitch, misses at the worst times. If your facing scarfed U-turn/volt switchers, be prepared to predict well. Ice Beam is its best STAB. Dry Skin offers it pretty good switch in oppurtunities. Sub is a must, if you get caught by a Pursuit user you dont outspeed without a Scarf you will die. Good teammates include Poekemon that maintain offensive momentum and can force switches, as well as Pokemon that can take out RestTalk phazers, notably Munchlax and Hariyama who can take you all day with Thick Fat. The overview should make mention of its great speed in RU, 95 just outpaces many things. Try and flesh that out a little if you can. I'm fine with the NP and SubNP sets remaining separate as they play completely differently but they could be merged, I'll talk to the other QCs about it. Sub Calm Mind would like some more teammates now that Snover is gone. For that matter, Sub Calm mind seems almost identical to SubNP which is a vastly better set so consider making Calm Mind an AC spot on the Sub NP set, again, I'll discuss with QC. Scarf looks good, but again, no more Snover Checks and Counters: considerably strong physical attackers-->any physical attacker, it has crap defense; scarf fire types-->Strong scarf pokemon, fire and fighting being the best choice; add munchlax; hariyama; klinklang as a check, as it can take one +2 Ice Beam and OHKO back with Gear Grind; Cincinno as well will KO an Jynx behind a Sub with Rock Blast if it gets more than 2 hits Other Options: Cjoice set is already mentioned, Wish is mentioned twice, +Fake Tears, +Wring Out, +Taunt, +Dual Screens, +Magic Coat, +Heal Bell Add/fix all of this, then VM me again and I'll approve it. __________________ C&C/Smog work

Dec 27th, 2011, 2:33:31 PM	#13
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	Added all the stuff. __________________

Dec 28th, 2011, 4:23:21 PM	#14
Texas Cloverleaf meh Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,346 Ottawa	QC APPROVED 1/3 Make sure you get it all in in the write up. __________________ C&C/Smog work

Dec 29th, 2011, 1:05:14 AM	#15
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	I will, thanks for the check. __________________

Dec 29th, 2011, 3:37:45 AM	#16
Upstart Copy Cat Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 414 ROAR!	QC APPROVED 2/3 __________________ Check Out my RMT 4th Gen RMT: Sub For Your Life If the enemy thinks of the mountains, attack like the sea; and if he thinks of the sea, attack like the mountains. Member of the UU and RU QC team, VM me for a check

Dec 29th, 2011, 5:17:49 AM	#17
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	Thanks upstart, just need a last check before I can get to the writing! __________________

Dec 29th, 2011, 1:45:00 PM	#18
PK Gaming Quiet Thunder God Moderator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,522 Izanagi	Where's the SubCM set? I don't think my fellow QC members intended for you to replace it entirely with the SubNP set haha. Add this set: name: SubCM (or Luna if you want give respects to FlareBlitz) move 1: Substitute move 2: Calm Mind move 3: Ice Beam move 4: Lovely Kiss item: Leftovers ability: Dry Skin nature: Timid EVs: 200 HP / 56 SpA / 252 Spe The given EV spread prevent its subs from being broken by bulky water types like Lanturn, so this set is not just a palette swap of the NP set. Add this set and i'll approve. __________________

Dec 29th, 2011, 2:53:23 PM	#19
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	PK, Texas said in his post to just mention CM in AC. But, if you think it needs to be there, I'll add it. __________________

Dec 29th, 2011, 3:12:28 PM	#20
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,523 ~(^.^)~	choosing between subcm jynx and subnp jynx is like choosing between subcm missy and subnp missy in UU; do you want more immediate power or a power tank? subcm should remain as a separate set __________________ <shade> what an intense scrotum

Dec 29th, 2011, 3:57:11 PM	#21
Texas Cloverleaf meh Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,346 Ottawa	Problem is Jynx cant afford the extra time taken to set up as it only has one immunity as opposed to 2, a shitton more weaknesses courtesy of the Ice-typing and shittastic defense to try and keep a sub alive with. __________________ C&C/Smog work

Dec 30th, 2011, 1:34:47 AM	#22
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	Ok I added it. But, I have a question. PK, you said that these EVs allow Jynx's sub to take hits from Bulky Waters, but doesn't dry skin anyway make Jynx immune to Water-type moves? __________________

Dec 30th, 2011, 5:04:22 AM	#23
sheniqua Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 40	I'm not sure if you have to be a special member to post here, but I was just thinking that we should probably get rid of the stuff about using blizzard instead of ice beam because snow warning got banned