Dragonite (Analysis)

1st analysis :D


Dragonite

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[Overview]

<p>In previous years, Dragonite was known as one of the weaker Dragon-types; largely outclassed by its fellow Dragon-types, particulary Flygon and Garchomp, who were both faster. But now, thanks to its new ability, Multiscale, Dragonite's bulk has greatly increased, allowing it to hit hard before getting KOed. However, with its 4x weakness to Ice-type moves, the original dragon might have a hard time taking Blizzards, even with the help of Multiscale.</p>

[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Dragon Claw
move 2: ExtremeSpeed
move 3: Fire Punch
move 4: Protect
item: Haban Berry / Leftovers
ability: Multiscale
nature: Adamant
EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This is the standard Dragonite set. Dragon Claw is Dragonite's main move, as it gets the STAB boost and is only resisted by Steel-types. Fire Punch provides nice coverage along with Dragon Claw, hitting Abomasnow and Steel-types for super effective damage. However, it should be noted that despite being super effective, Fire Punch won't do over 50% to max HP Metagross. ExtremeSpeed will allow Dragonite to strike first, moving even before all other priority attacks bar Fake Out. Protect is a staple for most Pokemon in VGC, and can also be used in sync with Leftovers to help restore HP each turn.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The 204 HP EVs allow Dragonite to always survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, and also gives it maximum Leftovers recovery and good bulk. The 52 Speed EVs let Dragonite outrun minimum speed Rotom-A. The rest of the EVs are put into Attack. An Adamant nature allows Dragonite to deal as much damage as possible, while Leftovers is used to restore some HP each turn, which might allow multiple usage of Multiscale, and Haban Berry lets Dragonite survive a Dragon Gem Latios's Draco Meteor, which it cannot do with just Multiscale.</p>

<p>As for teammates, Ground-types such as Krookodile can work well as Dragonite is immune to their Earthquake. Scrafty is a handy partner as it has Fake Out to help Dragonite preserve Mutiscale for a turn. Its STAB attacks are also super effective against Abomasnow and Latios, Dragonite's two main counters. Either Politoed or Ninetales can also be used to get rid of opposing sandstorm and hail if needed, as both these weathers will break Dragonite's Multiscale.</p>

[SET]
name: Special Rain Attacker
move 1: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
move 2: Hurricane
move 3: Thunder / Flamethrower
move 4: Protect
item: Dragon Gem / Haban Berry
ability: Multiscale
nature: Modest
EVs: 204 HP / 252 SpA / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Dragonite has a good Special Attack stat, so a specially offensive set should not be underestimated. Draco Meteor is a strong Dragon-type STAB attack, but has the unfortunate side effect of halving Dragonite's special attack after use, so Dragon Pulse can be a good alternative. Hurricane gets the STAB bonus too, and has perfect accuracy in the rain. Thunder can be used on a rain team, and can also be a good option outside of rain. Flamethrower gets good coverage with Dragonite's primary STAB, but will be weakened by rain if Dragonite is on a rain team. Protect is almost a necessity in VGC, and should be used on almost everything in it.</p>


[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is the same as before—the HP EVs guarantee Dragonite will survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, while the Speed EVs let it outpace uninvested Rotom-A—except the Attack EVs are moved to Special Attack instead and a Modest nature is used. As for item choice, Dragon Gem is useful for powering up Dragonite's Dragon-type attack, while the Haban Berry can help against opposing Dragon-types, most notably, Dragon Gem Latios.</p>

<p>As this is a weather-oriented set, Politoed gets first mention. In rain, Thunder and Hurricane both have perfect accuracy, and with their 120 Base Power, they will do massive amounts of damage. Other partners include Earthquake users, Fake Out users, and Pokemon that can counter Dragonite's checks, such as Krookodile, Hitmontop, and Scrafty, respectively.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Dragonite can also run a Trick Room set; the only change required would be to put the Speed EVs into HP and to use a Brave or Quiet nature. An unmentioned but viable attack to use is Earthquake, though Rock Slide is generally a better spread attack as it won't damage your partner. Brick Break is another option as it has good coverage with Dragon Claw, and can also break the rare Light Screen and Reflect. Roost could be chosen over Protect to renew Multiscale and restore health, but Protect is generally the preferred option in VGC. Dragonite can run the Inner Focus ability to prevent flinching from Fake Out, a move commonly used on Dragonite to break Multiscale. The extra turn could allow Dragonite to either attack or maybe set up Tailwind.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>As stated before, Latios and Abomasnow can counter Dragonite quite well. Abomasnow summons hail,which breaks Multiscale, making Yache Berry the only way to thwart Abomasnow. Similarly, Tyranitar conjures a sandstorm, and Rock Slide severely dents Dragonite once Multiscale is gone. Fake Out users, such as Hitmontop, can help break Multiscale, but they must be wary of the rare Inner Focus Dragonite that could use that turn to its advantage.</p>
 

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correct me if i'm wrong but when i calc max spa modest aboma vs 204 hp multiscale dragonite, it only does 69.8%-82.3% damage, which obviously isn't an ohko

if my calc is correct i dont think theres any particular reason to run a yache berry, since it can be fairly redundant with multiscale

i also dont think rock slide hits anything that the other moves dragonite has don't, which means it can just end up being weaker because of the two target power split
 

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Due to having generally more powerful and varied Special Attacks compared to physical, I think that a Special Attacking set is worth mentioning for Dragonite.
 

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omg, I recommend yache berry to TalkingLion in my skeleton because this whole time I've been going on an early Black While rumor that Hail boosted Ice attacks. Haban Berry would probably be better as Dragonite isn't guaranteed to survive a Draco Meteor from Dragon Gem Latios.

Seconding the special set.
 
Yeah, sandman recommended Yache Berry to me earlier, so that's why I put it in there. I'll fix that and work on a Special Attacking set ASAP
 

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the 'move 1:' things all need to be lowercase, inner focus is not a gimmick, switch move 2 and move 3 on the first set. the second set is cramming in a rain and special set in to one. xD

dmeteor
hurricane
thunder / flamethrower
protect

this would make most sense for a rain set, flamethrower is useful if rain is cancelled out by some other weather mon. i think it deserves a seperate set because of its reliance on rain. life orb and multiscale makes no sense at all, i would go for gems or type resist berries.
 
Special set is done now, sorry for the delay. I also added some of moofie's suggestions in, so I think this is now ready for QC checks.
 

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what koes does ice beam get that d meteor doesnt?
if hurricane is a main slash, then the set name should be rain attacker, and thunder might be better before flamethrower.
 
You're right, at the time Dragonite needed an alternative in the case of it being on a sun team, but now it's fixed for being a rain special attacker.
 
[Overview]

<p>In previous years, Dragonite was known as one of the "weaker dragons" weaker Dragon-types how about "was largely outclassed by its fellow Dragon-types, particularly <whichever dragons specifically?> in previous years. But now, thanks to its new ability,<comma> Multiscale, Dragonite can now take one more hit then it could before 's bulk is greatly increased, allowing it to get some crucial damage in before it falls. However, with its 4x weakness to Ice-type moves, the original dragon might have some a hard time taking Blizzards, even with the help of Multiscale.</p>

[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Dragon Claw
move 2: ExtremeSpeed
move 3: Fire Punch
move 4: Protect
item: Haban Berry / Leftovers
ability: Multiscale
nature: Adamant
EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This is the standard Dragonite set. Dragon Claw is there as your Dragonite's main move, as it gets the STAB bonus and is only resisted by Steel-types. Fire Punch provides nice coverage with Dragon Claw. It also hits , hitting Abomasnow and Steel-types for Super-effective super effective damage, but . However, it should be noted that it despite being super effective, Fire Punch won'<apostrophe>t do over 50% to max HP Metagross. Rock Slide is there as an option if you prefer to enable Dragonite to damage both of the opposing Pokemon in one attack. ExtremeSpeed will allow you Dragonite to strike first, moving even before all other priority attacks barring Fake Out. Protect is there as a staple for most Pokemon in VGC, and can also be used in sync with Leftovers to help restore HP each turn.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The 204 HP EV's EVs allow Dragonite to survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor from Latios 100% of the time, as well as giving and also gives it maximum Leftovers recovery and good bulk. The 52 EV's in Speed EVs will let Dragonite outspeed or "outrun", to avoid repeating "speed" minimum Speed Rotom-A, assuming that they have minimum speed and the rest is put in Attack. An Adamant nature enables Dragonite to deal as much damage as possible, while Leftovers is used a to restore some HP each turn, which can also might allow multiple usage of Multiscale, while haban berry......</p>

<p>As for teammates, Ground-<hyphen>types such as Krookodile can work well as Dragonite will be immune to their is immune to Earthquake. Scrafty can also work well is a handy partner as it has Fake Out to help Dragonite keep Mutiscale preserve Multiscale for a turn, as well as having . Its STAB attacks being are also super effective against Abomasnow and Latios, Dragonite's two main counters. Either Politoed and or Ninetales can also be used to get rid of opposing sandstorm and hail if needed, as both of them these weathers will break your Dragonite's Multiscale. </p>

[SET]
name: Special Rain Attacker
move 1: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
move 2: Hurricane
move 3: Thunder / Flamethrower
move 4: Protect
item: Dragon Gem / Yache Berry
ability: Multiscale
nature: Modest
EVs: 204 HP / 252 SpA / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Dragonite also has a good Special Attack stat, so a specially offensive optional set should not be underestimated. Draco Meteor is a strong Dragon-type STAB attack, but has the unfortunate side effect of lowering or "halving" Dragonite's Special Attack after use, so Dragon Pulse can be a good replacement for that alternative. Hurricane gets the STAB bonus too, and has perfect accuracy in the rain, if Dragonite is on a rain team. Thunder can be used as well on a rain team as well for the same reason, and can also be a good option outside of rain. Flamethrower will gets good coverage with your Dragon move Dragonite's primary STAB, but will get be weakened by rain if Dragonite is on a rain team. explain protect again! I know it's a pain, but bear in mind that not everyone reads the whole analysis. try not to copy-paste exactly what you said in the previous set though; reword it slightly.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is the same as before—the HP EVs guarantee Dragonite will survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, while the Speed EVs let it outpace uninvested Rotom-A—(no space after), except the Attack EVs are moved to Special Attack instead, and a Modest nature is used. This allows for good bulk while at the same time provides a good special attack stat. Once again, the Speed EV's allow Dragonite to outspeed no speed Rotom-A. explain the items This Dragonite set is more weather-<hyphen>oriented than the previous, but can also work out<remove space>side of rain or sun imo this sentence should be removed; i don't really see what it adds..</p>

<p>As this is a weather-<hyphen>oriented set, Politoed gets first mention. With rain up or "In rain" - as you use a phrase beginning with 'with' later on, Thunder and Hurricane will both get both have perfect accuracy, which and with their 120 Base Power can hit for a lot of , will do massive amounts of damage. Other partners would be the ones mentioned before, such as include Earthquake users, Fake Out users, and Pokemon that can counter Dragonite's checks and counters, such as Krookodile, Scrafty, and <last mon> (or switch Scrafty to third and mention a different second), respectively. given this is a weather oriented set, do you think it's necessary to mention weather teammates?</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Dragonite can also run a Trick Room set;<semicolon> the only change required would be to put the Speed EVs into HP and run to use a Brave or Quiet nature. A different An unmentioned but viable attacks to use is Earthquake, although but Rock Slide is generally a better spread attack as it won'<apostrophe>t damage your partner. Brick Break is another option as it has good coverage with Dragon Claw, and can also break the rare Light Screen and Reflect. Roost could be chosen over Protect to reuse renew Multiscale and restore health, but Protect is generally the preferred option in VGC. Inner Focus is an option that Dragonite can run the Inner Focus ability to prevent flinching from Fake Out, a move that commonly targets commonly used on Dragonite to break Multiscale. The extra turn could allow Dragonite to either attack, or maybe even set up Tailwind if that move is run.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>As stated before, Latios and Abomasnow can counter Dragonite quite well. Abomasnow has an extra tool in summons hail, that can help which breaks Multiscale, making Yache Berry the only weakener way to thwart Abomasnow. Tyranitar can also be used for the same reason as Abomasnow, as Similarly, Tyranitar conjures a sandstorm, and Rock Slide can also be a damaging attack to severely dent Dragonite once Multiscale is gone. Fake Out users, such as Hitmontop, can help break Multiscale, but they must be wary of the rare Inner Focus Dragonite that could use that turn to their advantage.</p>
 

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[Overview]

<p>In previous years, Dragonite was known as one of the weaker Dragon-types, largely outclassed by its fellow Dragon-types,; particularly Flygon and Garchomp, who were both faster. But now, thanks to its new ability, Multiscale, Dragonite's bulk ihas greatly increased, allowing it to get some crucial damage in before it fallshit hard before getting KOed. However, with its 4x weakness to Ice-type moves, the original dragon might have a hard time taking Blizzards, even with the help of Multiscale.</p>

[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Dragon Claw
move 2: ExtremeSpeed
move 3: Fire Punch
move 4: Protect
item: Haban Berry / Leftovers
ability: Multiscale
nature: Adamant
EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This is the standard Dragonite set. Dragon Claw is Dragonite's main move, as it gets the STAB bonusost and is only resisted by Steel-types. Fire Punch provides nice coverage along with Dragon Claw, hitting Abomasnow and Steel-types for super effective damage. However, it should be noted that despite being super effective, Fire Punch won't do over 50% to max HP Metagross. ExtremeSpeed will allow Dragonite to strike first, moving even before all other priority attacks bar Fake Out. Protect is a staple for most Pokemon in VGC, and can also be used in sync with Leftovers to help restore HP each turn.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p> (remove space)The 204 HP EVs allow Dragonite to always survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor 100% of the time, and also gives it maximum Leftovers recovery and good bulk. The 52 Speed EVs let Dragonite outrun minimum speed Rotom-A, and the rest is. The rest of the EVs are put in attack. An Adamant nature allows Dragonite to deal as much damage as possible, While Leftovers is used ato restore some HP each turn, which might allow multiple usage of Multiscale, While Haban Berry lets Dragonite survive a Dragon Gem Latios's Draco Meteor, which it cannot do with just Multiscale.</p>

<p>As for teammates, Ground-types such as Krookodile can work well as Dragonite is immune to their Earthquake. Scrafty is a handy partner as it has Fake Out to help Dragonite preserve Mutiscale for a turn. Its STAB attacks are also super effective against Abomasnow and Latios, Dragonite's two main counters. Either Politoed or Ninetales can also be used to get rid of opposing sandstorm and hail if needed, as both these weathers will break Dragonite's Multiscale. (remove space)</p>

[SET]
name: Special Rain Attacker
move 1: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
move 2: Hurricane
move 3: Thunder / Flamethrower
move 4: Protect
item: Dragon Gem / Haban Berry
ability: Multiscale
nature: Modest
EVs: 204 HP / 252 SpA / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Dragonite also has a good Special Attack stat, so a specially offensive set should not be underestimated. Draco Meteor is a strong Dragon-type STAB attack, but has the unfortunate side effect of halving Dragonite's special attack after use, so Dragon Pulse can be a good alternative. Hurricane gets the STAB bonus too, and has perfect accuracy in the rain. Thunder can be used on a rain team as well for the same reason, and can also be a good option outside of rain. Flamethrower gets good coverage with Dragonite's primary STAB, but will be weakened by rain if Dragonite is on a rain team. Protect is almost a necessity in VGC, and should be used on almost everything in it.</p>


[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is the same as before—the HP EVs guarantee Dragonite will survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, while the Speed EVs let it outpace uninvested Rotom-A—except the Attack EVs are moved to Special Attack instead and a Modest nature is used. As for item choice, Dragon Gem is useful for powering up Dragonite's Dragon-type attack, while the Haban Berry can help against opposing Dragon-types, most notably, Dragon Gem Latios.</p>

<p>As this is a weather-oriented set, Politoed gets first mention. In rain, Thunder and Hurricane both have perfect accuracy, and with their 120 Base Power, they will do massive amounts of damage. Other partners include Earthquake users, Fake Out users, and Pokemon that can counter Dragonite's checks, such as Krookodile, Hitmontop, and Scrafty.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Dragonite can also run a Trick Room set; the only change required would be to put the Speed EVs into HP and to use a Brave or Quiet nature. An unmentioned but viable attack to use is Earthquake, butthough Rock Slide is generally a better spread attack as it won't damage your partner. Brick Break is another option as it has good coverage with Dragon Claw, and can also break the rare Light Screen and Reflect. Roost could be chosen over Protect to renew Multiscale and restore health, but Protect is generally the preferred option in VGC. Dragonite can run the Inner Focus ability to prevent flinching from Fake Out, a move commonly used on Dragonite to break Multiscale. The extra turn could allow Dragonite to either attack or maybe set up Tailwind.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>As stated before, Latios and Abomasnow can counter Dragonite quite well. Abomasnow summons hail,which breaks Multiscale, making Yache Berry the only way to thwart Abomasnow. Similarly, Tyranitar conjures a sandstorm, and Rock Slide severely dents Dragonite once Multiscale is gone. Fake Out users, such as Hitmontop, can help break Multiscale, but they must be wary of the rare Inner Focus Dragonite that could use that turn to theirits advantage.</p>
[Overview]

<p>In previous years, Dragonite was known as one of the weaker Dragon-types, largely outclassed by its fellow Dragon-types; particularly Flygon and Garchomp, who were both faster. But now, thanks to its new ability, Multiscale, Dragonite's bulk has greatly increased, allowing it to hit hard before getting KOed. However, with its 4x weakness to Ice-type moves, the original dragon might have a hard time taking Blizzards, even with the help of Multiscale.</p>

[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Dragon Claw
move 2: ExtremeSpeed
move 3: Fire Punch
move 4: Protect
item: Haban Berry / Leftovers
ability: Multiscale
nature: Adamant
EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This is the standard Dragonite set. Dragon Claw is Dragonite's main move, as it gets the STAB boost and is only resisted by Steel-types. Fire Punch provides nice coverage along with Dragon Claw, hitting Abomasnow and Steel-types for super effective damage. However, it should be noted that despite being super effective, Fire Punch won't do over 50% to max HP Metagross. ExtremeSpeed will allow Dragonite to strike first, moving even before all other priority attacks bar Fake Out. Protect is a staple for most Pokemon in VGC, and can also be used in sync with Leftovers to help restore HP each turn.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>()The 204 HP EVs allow Dragonite to always survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, and also gives it maximum Leftovers recovery and good bulk. The 52 Speed EVs let Dragonite outrun minimum speed Rotom-A. The rest of the EVs are put in attack. An Adamant nature allows Dragonite to deal as much damage as possible, While Leftovers is used to restore some HP each turn, which might allow multiple usage of Multiscale, While Haban Berry lets Dragonite survive a Dragon Gem Latios's Draco Meteor, which it cannot do with just Multiscale.</p>

<p>As for teammates, Ground-types such as Krookodile can work well as Dragonite is immune to their Earthquake. Scrafty is a handy partner as it has Fake Out to help Dragonite preserve Mutiscale for a turn. Its STAB attacks are also super effective against Abomasnow and Latios, Dragonite's two main counters. Either Politoed or Ninetales can also be used to get rid of opposing sandstorm and hail if needed, as both these weathers will break Dragonite's Multiscale.()</p>

[SET]
name: Special Rain Attacker
move 1: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
move 2: Hurricane
move 3: Thunder / Flamethrower
move 4: Protect
item: Dragon Gem / Haban Berry
ability: Multiscale
nature: Modest
EVs: 204 HP / 252 SpA / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Dragonite has a good Special Attack stat, so a specially offensive set should not be underestimated. Draco Meteor is a strong Dragon-type STAB attack, but has the unfortunate side effect of halving Dragonite's special attack after use, so Dragon Pulse can be a good alternative. Hurricane gets the STAB bonus too, and has perfect accuracy in the rain. Thunder can be used on a rain team, and can also be a good option outside of rain. Flamethrower gets good coverage with Dragonite's primary STAB, but will be weakened by rain if Dragonite is on a rain team. Protect is almost a necessity in VGC, and should be used on almost everything in it.</p>


[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread is the same as before—the HP EVs guarantee Dragonite will survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, while the Speed EVs let it outpace uninvested Rotom-A—except the Attack EVs are moved to Special Attack instead and a Modest nature is used. As for item choice, Dragon Gem is useful for powering up Dragonite's Dragon-type attack, while the Haban Berry can help against opposing Dragon-types, most notably, Dragon Gem Latios.</p>

<p>As this is a weather-oriented set, Politoed gets first mention. In rain, Thunder and Hurricane both have perfect accuracy, and with their 120 Base Power, they will do massive amounts of damage. Other partners include Earthquake users, Fake Out users, and Pokemon that can counter Dragonite's checks, such as Krookodile, Hitmontop, and Scrafty.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Dragonite can also run a Trick Room set; the only change required would be to put the Speed EVs into HP and to use a Brave or Quiet nature. An unmentioned but viable attack to use is Earthquake, though Rock Slide is generally a better spread attack as it won't damage your partner. Brick Break is another option as it has good coverage with Dragon Claw, and can also break the rare Light Screen and Reflect. Roost could be chosen over Protect to renew Multiscale and restore health, but Protect is generally the preferred option in VGC. Dragonite can run the Inner Focus ability to prevent flinching from Fake Out, a move commonly used on Dragonite to break Multiscale. The extra turn could allow Dragonite to either attack or maybe set up Tailwind.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>As stated before, Latios and Abomasnow can counter Dragonite quite well. Abomasnow summons hail,which breaks Multiscale, making Yache Berry the only way to thwart Abomasnow. Similarly, Tyranitar conjures a sandstorm, and Rock Slide severely dents Dragonite once Multiscale is gone. Fake Out users, such as Hitmontop, can help break Multiscale, but they must be wary of the rare Inner Focus Dragonite that could use that turn to its advantage.</p>



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