Fraxure Mono-Attacker

Brammi · Jan 22nd, 2012, 4:27:31 AM

Ok so talked in IRC and I got permission to post this set that I've had great success on the ladder with. tbh, my favorite set in the tier right now.

QC: 1: Ice-eyes
GP: 0

[SET]
name: Mono-Attacking Booster
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Dragon Claw
move 3: Substitute
move 4: Taunt / Swords Dance
item: Eviolite
ability: Mold Breaker
nature: Adamant
evs: 16 HP / 252 Att / 240 Spe

- Aims to get more than one boost before sweeping.
- Sacrifices immediate power for more boosts.
- With Sub, can set up on alot of top tier physically defensive threats.
- Try to come in on a non attacking move of a wall, set up a sub and start getting boosts.
- Taunt is more useful in most matches as it stops phazers from stopping your sweep as well as all around team support.
- Swords Dance works well with Dragon Dance against teams without alot of speed as +3 attack, +1 Speed is more useful than +2,+2 if you don't need the extra speed.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

- Speed EVs let you outspeed things that aim to outspeed Gorebyss, which is actually a surprising number of threats.
- Sets up on prominent physical walls including but not limited to some Weezing, Alomomola, some Tangela, some Quagsire. (Will include calcs to show sub staying up.)
- Has a great deal of trouble with walls that can hit him neutrally such as the common rock types. Also can barely touch the few steels left in the tier. Also Missy.
- Works well with physical attackers that can break the walls he has difficulty with. Gurdurr, Sub Tauros and Absol are the best partners.

SuperJOCKE · Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:01:53 AM

Mono-Attacker is like the standard set name for these kind of sets. You should change the name to that. One exmaple is RestTalk + Curse Regirock who only uses Rock Slide, ie. Mono-Attacker.

Ice-eyes · Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:19:54 AM

Outspeeding 'things that aim to outspeed Gorebyss' sounds like speed creep to me. Aim for beating max Spe Timid Gorebyss and leave it at that.

Brammi · Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:24:31 AM

Ok, that's the spread I used anyway but I figured 3 extra points in SpD wasn't entirely worth it and more people would prefer the speed creep.

I don't put them in HP so I can get a sub number.

Ice-eyes · Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:27:09 AM

No reason why you can't just make it max Speed, actually.

Omicron · Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:41:30 AM

Substitute and Taunt seems kind of redundant to me, why not just make it a Double Dance set with Substitute and Taunt slashed in the last move slot? Outrage also needs a mention, if not a slash.

Brammi · Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:45:35 AM

Omi, go look at the Fraxure analysis.

Outrage is stupid with a set like this seeing as it hates the confusion when it doesn't need the power. Sub is what this set is based around and what makes the set possible.

Omicron · Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:50:31 AM

Ok, well this set doesn't really seem all that different with the exception of Substitute...

I don't know if Substitute warrants its own set. I'd rather have a more in-depth mention in the Fraxure write-up, perhaps just slash Substitute and call it a day. I know this set is played differently or whatever, but I think writing a whole new set for one move difference is unnecessary. Fellow QC members feel free to weigh in on this, but I'm probably not going to stamp this for the reasons I mentioned above.

EDIT: I won't argue if other members stamp it though, just to clarify.

Brammi · Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:58:12 AM

As you say it played very differently and has a very different feel and aims. It's like why you have SubCMRachi and SupeRachi as different sets. Sub is the only difference and they play very differently.

EDIT: Also two moves different. The other set is based around raw power aka Outrage whereas Outrage is horrible for this type of set.

shnen · Jan 22nd, 2012, 9:02:14 AM

Actually, i would mention a spread lettting him outspeed adamant absol, as that is one of the crucial benchmarks in NU atm

NatGeo · Jan 22nd, 2012, 11:42:46 AM

Yeah what shnen said

~~QC 2/3~~ withdrawing my stamp after further testing

tennisace · Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:42:55 PM

I agree with Omicron, I don't think this deserves a set honestly. Just mention Sub in AC or OO of the Fraxure analysis.

QC Reject

Omicron · Jan 23rd, 2012, 3:35:17 AM

Ok well, I suppose I should actually leave some input on this set now.

QC REJECTED (2/3)

NatGeo · Jan 23rd, 2012, 11:49:24 AM

Yeah I was actually playtesting today, its not too good at all. OO material or a slash at best, but a set, no.

QC REJECTED 3/3

Jan 22nd, 2012, 4:27:31 AM	#1
Brammi Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,458 Wollongong	Fraxure Mono-Attacker Ok so talked in IRC and I got permission to post this set that I've had great success on the ladder with. tbh, my favorite set in the tier right now. QC: 1: Ice-eyes GP: 0 [SET] name: Mono-Attacking Booster move 1: Dragon Dance move 2: Dragon Claw move 3: Substitute move 4: Taunt / Swords Dance item: Eviolite ability: Mold Breaker nature: Adamant evs: 16 HP / 252 Att / 240 Spe - Aims to get more than one boost before sweeping. - Sacrifices immediate power for more boosts. - With Sub, can set up on alot of top tier physically defensive threats. - Try to come in on a non attacking move of a wall, set up a sub and start getting boosts. - Taunt is more useful in most matches as it stops phazers from stopping your sweep as well as all around team support. - Swords Dance works well with Dragon Dance against teams without alot of speed as +3 attack, +1 Speed is more useful than +2,+2 if you don't need the extra speed. [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] - Speed EVs let you outspeed things that aim to outspeed Gorebyss, which is actually a surprising number of threats. - Sets up on prominent physical walls including but not limited to some Weezing, Alomomola, some Tangela, some Quagsire. (Will include calcs to show sub staying up.) - Has a great deal of trouble with walls that can hit him neutrally such as the common rock types. Also can barely touch the few steels left in the tier. Also Missy. - Works well with physical attackers that can break the walls he has difficulty with. Gurdurr, Sub Tauros and Absol are the best partners. __________________ You might be aware of scramble challenges. Well I want one for Fire Emblem 7. I want 12 names not including the Lords to have as my squad. Feel free to give me restrictions on top that in a scramble challenge like way. PM/VM, either works fine, just make sure to specify you are giving me a person for the scramble. Erk, Sain, Harken, Lowen, Canas. 5/12 Last edited by Brammi; Jan 22nd, 2012 at 6:00:26 AM.

Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:01:53 AM	#2
SuperJOCKE Low Tier Warrior! Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,994 Location: Sweden Mentor	Mono-Attacker is like the standard set name for these kind of sets. You should change the name to that. One exmaple is RestTalk + Curse Regirock who only uses Rock Slide, ie. Mono-Attacker. __________________

Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:24:31 AM	#4
Brammi Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,458 Wollongong	Ok, that's the spread I used anyway but I figured 3 extra points in SpD wasn't entirely worth it and more people would prefer the speed creep. I don't put them in HP so I can get a sub number. __________________ You might be aware of scramble challenges. Well I want one for Fire Emblem 7. I want 12 names not including the Lords to have as my squad. Feel free to give me restrictions on top that in a scramble challenge like way. PM/VM, either works fine, just make sure to specify you are giving me a person for the scramble. Erk, Sain, Harken, Lowen, Canas. 5/12

Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:41:30 AM	#6
Omicron Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,041 Seattle, WA	Substitute and Taunt seems kind of redundant to me, why not just make it a Double Dance set with Substitute and Taunt slashed in the last move slot? Outrage also needs a mention, if not a slash. __________________

Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:45:35 AM	#7
Brammi Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,458 Wollongong	Omi, go look at the Fraxure analysis. Outrage is stupid with a set like this seeing as it hates the confusion when it doesn't need the power. Sub is what this set is based around and what makes the set possible. __________________ You might be aware of scramble challenges. Well I want one for Fire Emblem 7. I want 12 names not including the Lords to have as my squad. Feel free to give me restrictions on top that in a scramble challenge like way. PM/VM, either works fine, just make sure to specify you are giving me a person for the scramble. Erk, Sain, Harken, Lowen, Canas. 5/12

Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:19:54 AM	#3
Ice-eyes Simper Fi Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,658	Outspeeding 'things that aim to outspeed Gorebyss' sounds like speed creep to me. Aim for beating max Spe Timid Gorebyss and leave it at that.

Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:27:09 AM	#5
Ice-eyes Simper Fi Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,658	No reason why you can't just make it max Speed, actually.

Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:50:31 AM	#8
Omicron Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,041 Seattle, WA	Ok, well this set doesn't really seem all that different with the exception of Substitute... I don't know if Substitute warrants its own set. I'd rather have a more in-depth mention in the Fraxure write-up, perhaps just slash Substitute and call it a day. I know this set is played differently or whatever, but I think writing a whole new set for one move difference is unnecessary. Fellow QC members feel free to weigh in on this, but I'm probably not going to stamp this for the reasons I mentioned above. EDIT: I won't argue if other members stamp it though, just to clarify. __________________

Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:58:12 AM	#9
Brammi Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,458 Wollongong	As you say it played very differently and has a very different feel and aims. It's like why you have SubCMRachi and SupeRachi as different sets. Sub is the only difference and they play very differently. EDIT: Also two moves different. The other set is based around raw power aka Outrage whereas Outrage is horrible for this type of set. __________________ You might be aware of scramble challenges. Well I want one for Fire Emblem 7. I want 12 names not including the Lords to have as my squad. Feel free to give me restrictions on top that in a scramble challenge like way. PM/VM, either works fine, just make sure to specify you are giving me a person for the scramble. Erk, Sain, Harken, Lowen, Canas. 5/12

Jan 22nd, 2012, 9:02:14 AM	#10
shnen Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 816 London	Actually, i would mention a spread lettting him outspeed adamant absol, as that is one of the crucial benchmarks in NU atm

Jan 22nd, 2012, 11:42:46 AM	#11
NatGeo ♭ Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,426 ♯	Yeah what shnen said ~~QC 2/3~~ withdrawing my stamp after further testing __________________ Last edited by NatGeo; Jan 23rd, 2012 at 11:49:59 AM.

Jan 22nd, 2012, 5:42:55 PM	#12
tennisace RIDE OR DIE MOTHERFUCKERS ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,238	I agree with Omicron, I don't think this deserves a set honestly. Just mention Sub in AC or OO of the Fraxure analysis. QC Reject __________________ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

Jan 23rd, 2012, 3:35:17 AM	#13
Omicron Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,041 Seattle, WA	Ok well, I suppose I should actually leave some input on this set now. QC REJECTED (2/3) __________________

Jan 23rd, 2012, 11:49:24 AM	#14
NatGeo ♭ Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,426 ♯	Yeah I was actually playtesting today, its not too good at all. OO material or a slash at best, but a set, no. QC REJECTED 3/3 __________________