Vileplume (Analysis) [GP 2/2]

Oglemi said:

go ahead and basically c/p this into a thread, but idk if qc will approve it or not.

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Vileplume

SilentVerse said:

Edit: Oh, and Effect Spore is now the primary ability since Vileplume is too slow to outspeed any Chlorophyll mons in sun anyway.

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<p>Ever since her introduction, Vileplume hasd always gottenreceived the short end of the stick from Game Freak ever since her introduction. While she is by all mean. While she is on her own merits a very respectable Pokemon, Game Freak just happened talso introduced Venusaur in the first generation, whoRBY; he has better stats than Vileplume everywhere other than Defense. This has relegated VileplumeUnsurprisingly, Vileplume has been relegated to at least a tier lower than Venusaur throughout the generations, and this honestly hasn't changed much this time around. However, with the new RU tier, Vileplume finally has a chance to shine in a tier other than NU. While you may think that with Venusaur and Roserade banished to higher tiers, Vileplume would finally be able to be a very common Pokemon in RU, Game Freak decided to introduce two things which once again shoved Vileplume back into NU: Amoonguss and Eviolite Roselia. That being said, even though Vileplume still sits in her gloomy corner within the NU tier, Vileplume is more than capable of pulling her weight in RU. Despite the tough competition from Amoonguss and Roselia, she actually has enough unique traits to stand out over themin BW. Furthermore, despite the banishment of Venusaur and Roserade, Vileplume receives significant competition in RU from the newly introduced Amoonguss and Eviolite Roselia. Nonetheless, she is more than capable of pulling her weight, as her unique traits distinguish herself from Amoonguss and Roselia. Defensively, Vileplume ihas significantly more physically bulky than Roselia and boasts Aromatherapy over Amoonguss, allowing her to act as a neat mix of the two. Also uUnlike the two, Vileplume is also capable of acting as a strong special attacker, utilizing her stronggreat STAB coverage and mix of power and bulk to act as a powerfuln excellent tank. Make no mistake, Vileplume is not a Pokemon to be underestimated.</p>

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<p>Though she may appear to beight seem outclassed by Roselia and Amoonguss, Vileplume differentiates herself from them by acting as a neat combinationcombining useful traits of the two. Vileplume's access to Aromatherapy in addition to her similarand excellent physical bulk to Amoonguss allow her to act as a physically defensive cleric while countering and checking almost every threat that Amoonguss does. This gives Vileplume a unique niche, as cleric support is not particularly widespread, and the ability to check threats such as Feraligatr, Hitmonlee, Rhydon, and Lilligant makes Vileplume useful outside of her clerical duties. Additionally, thanks to Vileplume's nice Special Attack, she can hit these threats reasonably hard with her STAB moves. However, Aromatherapy is the main reason you should be using Vileplume is due to Aromatherapy; without it, you might as well; without it, you would be better off using Roselia or Amoonguss if you want aas your defensive Grass-type.</p>

<p>Aromatherapy is naturally a key move for this set, as it distinguishes her from Roselia and Amoonguss, and t. Thanks to her great defenses and excellent set of resistances, she will have plenty of opportunities to switch in and heal your team of status effects. The next two moves, Giga Drain and Sludge Bomb, serve as herVileplume's obligatory STAB moves and allow Vileplumeher to check a variety of threats; Giga Drain will nail foes such as Feraligatr and Hitmonlee for some nice damage, while Sludge Bomb dents Lilligant and Sawsbuck. These two moves also have wonderful synergy together, with: only Poison- and Steel-types resisting the combination, which prevents Vileplume from being set up bait. Moonlight serves as Vileplume'sa reliable recovery move, that keepings Vileplume healthy and capable of consistently checking those troublesome threats while curing her team of status.</p>

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<p>These EVs are used to maximize Vileplume's physical defense to, allowing her to check threats such as Rhydon, Feraligatr, and Hitmonlee. SinceAs Roselia outclasses Vileplume as a specially defensive cleric, this also distinguishes Vileplume from Roselia. However, a specially defensive spread is still viable, as Vileplume's recovery via Leftovers is one thing she hasaccess to Leftovers recovery gives her an advantage over Roselia, and Vileplume is stillalso effective at checking the threats that Roselia usually checks, namely (who?). Alternatively, some Defense EVs can be shifted into Special Attack to hit certain things harder, and nab some sneaky 2HKOs and OHKOs on troublesome Pokemon. foes harder; this would specifically nab 2HKOs and OHKOs on the likes of (x and y, respectively).</p>
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<p>Vileplume's status options in Sleep Powder and Stun Spore are also viable options for this set; tthat can replace either Giga Drain or Sludge Bomb. The former gives Vileplume a weapon against almost anything, and it makes most Pokemonopponents weary of switching into her while t. The latter, on the other hand, is useful to just provide some nice paralysis support for slower teammates,provides slower teammates with useful paralysis support and allowings them to tear through the opposing team without fear. The problem with these options is that Vileplume doesn't have room for anything else, as each move allows her to continually provide cleric support and check a wide variety of threats. If you want to use Sleep Powder or Stun Spore, replace either Giga Drain or Sludge Bomb for one of these optionHowever, Vileplume faces four-moveslot syndrome; each listed move is necessary for her to continually provide cleric support and check a wide variety of threats. Effect Spore is also the recommended ability as Vileplume will often switch into contact moves, making it a great way to spread status acrossto the opposing team.</p>

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<p>As a supporting Pokemon, Vileplume doesn't really need that much support herself, as her access to reliable recovery and Aromatherapy allow her to be fairly self-sustaining. However, she does need certain teammates to deal with troublesome threats that can capitalize on her plethora of weaknesses. Like almost every Grass-type Pokemon in the game, Vileplume can form a nice core in tandemappreciates being paired with a Fire- and a Water-type Pokemon, on for a core that packs good resistances and that can take on most threats with ease. Similarly,(moved slowking bit down as you mentioned fire first, water second) Moltres and Entei work well with Vileplume, as Vileplume can beat troublesome Pokemon such as Feraligatr, Lanturn, and Rhydon for them, while they can destroy Ferroseed and Roselia, who would otherwise use Vileplume as setup bait. As such, Slowking is another wonderful partner for Vileplume, as he can takes on troublesome Pokemon such ashe likes of Moltres, Entei, and Gallade, who would normally give Vileplume trouble. In return, Vileplume can ensure that Slowking is not bogged down byheal Slowking of Toxic with Aromatherapy. Rock- orand Steel-types, such as Rhydon and Steelix, are also great partners, as they ward off Flying-types, who can give Vileplume issues, and. Additionally, they appreciate the cleric support that Vileplume provides, as they both lack a form of recovery to mitigate the effects of status.</p>

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<p>In a throwback to DPP UU Venusaur, Vileplume can pull off a remarkably similar special attacking set to whatDPP UU Venusaur, which was arguably the most prominent threat in DPP UUthat metagame; by utilizing the exact same STAB coverage and Special Attack stat that made Venusaur so fearsome, Vileplume is a very potent threat in the RU metagame. First and foremost, Vileplume has Sleep Powder to incapacitate certain Pokemon who can actuallythe few Pokemon that can stand up to her powerful STAB coverage, which makesmaking her a powerful wallbreaattacker. Furthermore, there is nothing else that compares to Vileplume's combination of bulk and power in RU, as: Amoonguss is too slow and weak, Roselia is weaker in general due to her need to use Eviolite, and Victreebel is incredibly frail. The only thing that holds herVileplume back is her poor Speed, but she has just enough Speed to outspeed many common RU walls and hit them hard due tocan still outrun many common RU walls and deal massive damage off her good Special Attack. Overall, this Vileplume makes a fearsome tank, who, l. Like DPP UU Venusaur, she can switch into many prominent threats such as Sceptile, Tangrowth, Rotom-C, and Slowking, and dish out incredibly powerful Life Orb-boosted attacks off her wonderful Special Attack statattacks to continually wear down the opposing team.</p>

<p>In a throwback to DPP UU Venusaur, Vileplume can pull off a remarkably similar special attacking set to whatDPP UU Venusaur, which was arguably the most prominent threat in DPP UUthat metagame; by utilizing the exact same STAB coverage and Special Attack stat that made Venusaur so fearsome, Vileplume is a very potent threat in the RU metagame. First and foremost, Vileplume has Sleep Powder to incapacitate certain Pokemon who can actuallythe few Pokemon that can stand up to her powerful STAB coverage, which makesmaking her a powerful wallbreaattacker. Furthermore, there is nothing else that compares to Vileplume's combination of bulk and power in RU, as: Amoonguss is too slow and weak, Roselia is weaker in general due to her need to use Eviolite, and Victreebel is incredibly frail. The only thing that holds herVileplume back is her poor Speed, but she has just enough Speed to outspeed many common RU walls and hit them hard due tocan still outrun many common RU walls and deal massive damage off her good Special Attack. Overall, this Vileplume makes a fearsome tank, who, l. Like DPP UU Venusaur, she can switch into many prominent threats such as Sceptile, Tangrowth, Rotom-C, and Slowking, and dish out incredibly powerful Life Orb-boosted attacks off her wonderful Special Attack statattacks to continually wear down the opposing team.</p>

<p>Sludge Bomb and Giga Drain are Vileplume's quintessential offensive attacks, and they have remarkable coverage between each other. Sludge Bomb will typically beis Vileplume's main attack due to its significantly higher bBase pPower and excellent neutral coverage, butwhile Giga Drain is also extremely potent due to itshas the excellent ability to naildent many common walls for tons of damage, such as Slowking and Poliwrath, while recoveringand also restores a significant amount of Vileplume's HP. Furthermore, it's important to note that aside from Steel- and Poison-types, one of the attacks will hit the Pokemon who resist the other coverage move hard, which makes it difficult to switch into Vileplume. T(this part is sort of covered by "remarkable coverage between each other" in the first sentence; if you want to keep it i suggest you move it up) With good prediction, the combination of these two moves will therefore break down many common RU cores, including the Tangrowth and Slowking core if good prediction is used. Because this requires an incredible amount of prediction to pull off successfully, Sleep Powder is a fantastic move, as it can simply be thrown out to cripple whatever switches in, should you feel unsure of your prediction skills. Sleep Powder also allows Vileplume to circumvent some of her counters by putting them to sleep and then bashing them with her incredibly lethal Sludge Bombs or Giga Drainsat them. To round of this set, Moonlight gives Vileplume a very reliable form of recovery due to RU's lack of weather, and it shrugs of Life Orb recoil,helps mitigate Life Orb recoil, as well as damage from entry hazard damage,s and attack damages, allowing Vileplume to stay alive to check those troublesome threats and smack opponents with her powerful attacks.</p>

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<p>The given EVs allow Vileplume to outspeed minimum Speuninvested base 70 Pokemon such as Poliwrath, which allows Vileplume to quickly nail them with a powerful attack or Sleep Powder. Maximum Special Attack investment is highly recommended on Vileplume to make her as strong as she can possibly be, while any remaining EVs should be dumped into HP to give Vileplume some extra bulk. Be that as it may, mMaximum Speed investment with a Timid nature is actually a vnothery decent option, as Vileplume still hits respectably hard, and becomes able to outspeed troublesome foes such as Adamant Bouffalant and 2HKO them. On the other hand, lessfewer Speed EVs can be used if prioritizing Vileplume's bulk is more important.: 142 Speed EVs are needed to outspeed minimum Speed Lanturn, 124 Speed EVs are necessary to outspeed minimum Spelet Vileplume outrun uninvested Lanturn, 124 Speed EVs beat out uninvested base 65 Speed Pokemon such as Sandslash, whileand 84 Speed EVs are needed to outspeed minimum Speedcan be used for base 60 Pokemon such as Clefable. It is not recommended to use any less Speed EVs than thirun fewer Speed EVs unless you simply want to maximize HP, as beyond this, most Pokemon tend to use at least just a little Speed EV investment. Effect Spore is the recommended ability; though unreliable, the 30% chance to inflict a status condition on the opposing Pokemon can come in handy, and Vileplume is too slow to make use of Chlorophyll. However, note that Chlorophyll has no move restrictions while Effect Spore does, and; moves likesuch as Leech Seed can only be used with Chlorophyll. Hidden Power Fire maycan also be used over Moonlight if you desperately need a way to remove Steel-types.</p>

<p>As you can see from these damage calculations, entry hazards are lethal for Vileplume, as she can just barely survive the attacks from some of RU's most powerful attackers. Furthermore, with entry hazards, Life Orb recoil, and damage from attacks as she switches in, Vileplume will not last as long as you wouldone might like. As such, Rapid Spin support is recommended to increase Vileplume's longevity and allow her to keep dishing out her powerful attacks. Kabutops, Sandslash, Hitmonchan, and Cryogonal make wonderful spinners to use alongside Vileplume. The former two are able to set up Stealth Rock for Vileplume while simultaneously spinning away any entry hazards, while the latter two are extremely reliable spinners. Entry hazards of her own are also beneficial, as demonstrated by the above damage calculations. In addition to the aforementioned Sandslash and Kabutops, Omastar, Ferroseed, Qwilfish, and Crustle make excellent entry hazard users, as they each can use two different types of entry hazards to assist Vileplume.</p>

<p>This set's main adversaries are defensive Poison- and Steel-type Pokemon, as they resist Vileplume's STAB coverage and Sleep Powder can only do so much in dealing with them. Magneton makes a wonderful partner because of this, as it is immune to Poison-type attacks and can easily trap and troublesome Steel-types such as Ferroseed, Klinklang, and other Magneton. Alternatively, Ground-types can be used as teammates as their STAB Earthquake hits both Poison- and Steel- type Pokemon super effectively. Therefore,, such as Steelix, Sandslash, Golurk, and Rhydon work, can wiell alongside Vileplume as they can easily take out those Steel- and Poison-type Pokemon with their powerful Earthquakesd a STAB Earthquake that hits both Poison- and Steel- type Pokemon super effectively. Specially defensive Pokemon such as Munchlax, Cryogonal, Clefable, and Mandibuzz mayight also pose an issue if an opposing Pokemon is already asleep, so powerful physical attackers are recommended partners., particularly Hitmonchan, Entei, Aggron, Feraligatr, and Medicham thus make wonderful partners, as their brutally powerful STAB attacks will easily muscle past those special wall, are recommended partners. Entei and Feraligatr also share wonderful type synergy with Vileplume, as Vileplume works well with the traditional core containing Grass-, Fire-, and Water-type Pokemon due to core'sFire / Water / Grass core due to its members' ability to take on each other's weaknesses extraordinarily well.</p>

other options

<p>Despite a colorfulwide variety of options at her disposal, Vileplume often struggles to utilize them effectively enough to distinguish herself from other Pokemon, and most of the time, Vileplume is usually becomes inferior to some other RU Pokemon. With instead. Vileplume can attempt to use a Swords Dance andset with powerful physical attacks in Seed Bomb, Bullet Seed, Drain Punch, Nature Power, and Return, Vileplume can attempt to use a Swords Dance set. While this set is not really all that terrible, it is not particularly good either,but it is ineffective as Vileplume's pitifully low Speed and mediocre Attack prevent her from being a true threat, and. Moreover, she is horribly outclassed by Sawsbuck, Leafeon, and even Bellossom, who all boast the stronger STAB Leaf Blade, and either better Speed or superior bulk. With those excellent moves in mindIn addition, Vileplume can also attempt to use ago mixed set to hit certain foes whofoes that wall her special attacks, such as using Drain Punch to nail Munchlax for some solid damage while recovering HPfor Munchlax. Unfortunately, Vileplumshe is simply too weak to utilize these non-STABed physical attacks to hit troublesome foes, as they only do marginally more damage than her special attacks unless they are used against foes such as Cryogonal, who are exceedingly specially bulky but incredibly frail physicallyagainst the majority of foes. Choice Scarf and Choice Specs mayight seem like decent items, but Vileplume is simply much too slow to utilize Choice Scarf effectively, and Vileplume often values the ability to switch moves over the slight power boost from Choice Specs. Petal Dance also happens to be Vileplume's strongest STAB move, but being locked into Petal Dance is often not a good thing,it is not a good move to be locked into as it is easily resisted, and thus almost ensurguarantees Vileplume's demise when it is used.</p>

<p>Support-wise, Vileplume still has some other moves whichthat work nicely. Leech Seed is a wonderful support move that helps Vileplume wear down tough special walls such as Munchlax; she can even attempt to utilize the fabled SubSeed combination in tandem with her powerful Poison-type STAB attacks to ward off any troublesome Grass-type which mays that might attempt to stop Leech Seed. However, as far as healing is concerned, Synthesis is simply much more reliable, and Leech Seed does not deal with most of the Pokemon Vileplume has issues with; f. For example, Clefable, Roselia, Cryogonal, and Ferroseed are all Pokemon who could care less about Leech Seed and will be gladly take the free switch-in for the opportunity to set up. Furthermore, Leech Seed is illegal with Effect Spore, which severely hinders itVileplume's usefulness on defensive sets. Stun Spore is another powerful option that Vileplume can use decently, as her great bulk ensures that she can keeprepeatedly switching in to paralyze opponents, thoughbut she often has trouble finding room for it on her sets. Finally, Vileplume makes a very respectable user of Sunny Day because of its access to Chlorophyll, STAB SolarbBeam, and Synthesis to take advantage of. K. However, keep in mind that stacking a Ssun team with only Grass- and Fire-types is rarely a good idea, and neither is using only them to set up Sunny Day. As such, it is often more advantageous to use a Pokemon with better synergy to set Sunny Day up for the team setters and sweepers is rarely a good idea. As such, there are often better users of Sunny Day.</p>

checks and counters

<p>As with anything that carries a sleep-inducing move, RestTalkers users are always recommended to prevent Vileplume's Sleep Powder from opening a huge hole in your team. Munchlax is perhaps, the primary RestTalker users of RU, and it does an admirable job of completely and utterly walling Vileplume no matter what she does, and his ability to spread paralysis will add to Vileplume's clerical dutiesfurther burden Vileplume. Alternatively, RestTalk Spiritomb, Magneton, and Hariyama are the next best choices, as they can still beat Vileplume, though not nearly as well as Munchlax can. If your prediction skills are good, you can use other RestTalk users such as Poliwrath and Lanturn, which, despite losing to Vileplume,. Although they lose to Vileplume one-on-one, they can switch in to take the Sleep Powder if necessary though, but note that one misprediction will cause these Pokemon to take a huge amount of damage. Keep in mind, however, that all of these Pokemon are still somewhat crippled by sleep, as they will have to rely on the unreliable Sleep Talk which will often put you in a bad position if you obtain poor rolls with it. Therefore, you can instead opt to simply sacrifice a Pokemon to Sleep Powder, then attempt to wake it up once Vileplume has been removed from the match.</p>

<p>Once a Pokemon has been put to sleep, Poison- and Steel-types are easily the best counters to Vileplume. As far as Steel-types go, Magneton and Klinklang are wonderful counters, as they can easily set up a Substitutes against Vileplume's pitiful STAB attacks, before proceeding tothen utilize their boosting move in Charge Beam or Shift Gear to wreak havoc. Ferroseed is another Steel-type who can switch in without fear against Vileplume, and because Vileplume is such easy set up fodder for it, it can easily set up a layer of Spikes every time Vileplume shows her face, which makes her a huge liability for the opponent. Fnd easily set up a layer of Spikes, making Vileplume a huge liability to her team. As for Poison-types, Drapion is an amazing counter against Vileplume due to his ability to Taunt her before setting up Toxic Spikes or wearing her down with Crunch. Roselia,Though she doespite failing ton't resist Vileplume's Poison-type attacks, Roselia works equally well, as her wonderful special bulk lets her take those Poison-type attacks with ease and set up layers of Spikes and Toxic Spikes. In fact, most special walls can take on Vileplume pretty easily too: Mandibuzz, Cryogonal, and Clefable, in addition to the aforementioned Roselia, Magneton, and Munchlax all can take Vileplume's attacks with ease. Though they will not stop support variants from using Aromatherapy to cure her team of status, this isn't much of an issue when all of these Pokemon can just can also take Vileplume's attacks with ease. Though they will not stop support Vileplume from providing cleric support, they can nonetheless switch into Vileplume for a free set up opportunity.</p>

<p>Offensively, Vileplume has quite a few weaknesses thanks to her Grass / Poison typing, and Pokemon who can prey upon them generally work well. Pokemon such asThe likes of Entei, Scyther, Moltres, Gallade, and Medicham will easily wreck Vileplume with their powerful STAB moves, thoughbut note that they will have issues switching into offensive variants. However, Scolipede in particular is able to switch into Vileplume's STAB attacks with ease before setting, set up a Swords Dance, and slamming Vileplume with its incredibly powerful Megahorn. Bulky Calm Mind users such as Sigilyph, Uxie, and Mesprit will all use Vileplume as set up bait beforeand demolishing her with their super effective Psychic-type STAB attacks. Bouffalant deserves a special mention for his ability tas he can not only destroy Vileplume with his incredibly powerful Head Charge, but also switch into all of Vileplume's moves bar Sludge Bomb with ease, —even gaining an Attack boost from Giga Drain and Sleep Powder before proceeding to destroy Vileplume with his incredibly powerful Head Charge.</p>

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