Blissey (Analysis)

[Overview]

<p>Blissey has been the premier special wall since her release in GSC. It's not difficult to see why: Blissey has an absurd amount of Special Defense, the highest HP stat in the game, and an incredible support movepool. But it's not all good news for Blissey; her Defense stat is pitiful, and her offensive stats are mediocre to say the least. To make matters worse, Eviolite makes Blissey's pre-evolution, Chansey, much bulkier than she is. However, Blissey does have some advantages over Chansey, namely a usable Special Attack stat and the ability to choose between Shed Shell and Leftovers. Unfortunately, Blissey is setup bait for many competent DW threats, such as Excadrill, Keldeo, and Chandelure. Don't let these faults deter you from using Blissey, though, as she can wall many of the threats in the DW metagame.</p>

[SET]
name: Wish Support
move 1: Wish
move 2: Protect / Softboiled
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Seismic Toss / Flamethrower
item: Shed Shell / Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Blissey makes for an excellent Wish user due to her high HP stat and excellent bulk. Wish is mandatory for healing Blissey and her teammates. Protect is useful to guarantee Wish recovery and scout for Trick, Knock Off, and Fighting-type STAB moves, all of which greatly threaten Blissey. However, Blissey can use Softboiled instead to increase her walling capabilities. Toxic is Blissey's main method of dealing damage to foes, as her offensive stats are mediocre. Seismic Toss is useful to deal consistent damage to all Pokemon bar Ghost-types, while Flamethrower lets Blissey take down Steel-, Grass-, and Bug-types, such as Ferrothorn, Breloom, and Genesect.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Shed Shell is the item of choice, as it prevents Blissey from being setup bait for Substitute + Calm Mind Chandelure. If your team deals with Chandelure quite easily, then feel free to run Leftovers. The EV spread maximizes HP to make Blissey's Wishes more effective. Maximum Defense investment enables Blissey to take all but STAB Fighting-type physical moves. An EV spread of 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD can be used if you're not concerned with passing enormous Wishes to your teammates; one of the benefits of this EV spread is the ability to avoid 2HKOs from Modest Choice Specs Politoed's Hydro Pump and Heatran's Flash Fire-boosted Fire Blast in the sun.</p>

<p>Any sturdy physical wall, such as Slowbro, Gliscor, Amoonguss, or Skarmory, makes for a decent partner to Blissey. Skarmory gets a special mention because of its ability to set up Spikes for Blissey, who in turn can force many switches with her excellent bulk. Similarly, other entry hazard setters, including Ferrothorn and Forretress, also pair well with Blissey.</p>

[SET]
name: Cleric
move 1: Aromatherapy
move 2: Softboiled
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Seismic Toss / Flamethrower
item: Shed Shell / Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Blissey makes for an excellent support Pokemon with her excellent HP, Special Defense, and movepool. Aromatherapy is useful for removing poison from members of more defensive teams and removing paralysis from those of more offensive ones. Softboiled gives Blissey a reliable recovery move and allows her to survive hits throughout the battle. Toxic is Blissey's main means of dealing damage to foes, as her offensive stats aren't great. Seismic Toss lets Blissey deal consistent and reliable damage to everything excluding Ghost-types. Flamethrower can be used to hit Steel-types such as Ferrothorn, which might try to set up hazards, or Excadrill, which might attempt to set up a Swords Dance or two.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Shed Shell enables Blissey to escape the wrath of Chandelure, a Pokemon that can switch into her with impunity and freely set up with Substitute and Calm Mind. If your team is able to lure in and defeat Chandelure with ease, feel free to use Leftovers. The EV spread maximizes HP and Defense because Blissey can easily take special attacks even without investment. An EV spread of 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD with a Bold nature is a viable alternative if you don't want to invest in Blissey's enormous base HP stat; this spread also lets Blissey avoid a 2HKO from Choice Specs Politoed's Hydro Pump in the rain and from a Flash Fire-boosted Fire Blast from Heatran in the sun. If your team needs a Stealth Rock user, Blissey can run the move in the third moveslot.</p>

<p>Teammates that can take on Fighting-types make for good partners; notable examples include Gliscor, Slowbro, and Jellicent. Slowbro and Jellicent can also check Keldeo, one of the few special attackers that can defeat Blissey without resorting to Trick. Entry hazard users, such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Tentacruel, are also good teammates to Blissey, who forces many switches. In particular, Tentacruel is a fantastic teammate, as the Toxic Spikes it provides can let Blissey stall out opponents. Additionally, Tentacruel checks Keldeo and can take on Fighting-types with its Poison typing and decent bulk.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>A Counter set can surprise and OHKO physical attackers. Thunder Wave can replace Toxic if you want to cripple fast sweepers that switch into Blissey such as Lucario. Blissey has access to Ice Beam and Thunderbolt, but they are generally outclassed by Flamethrower because of its ability to hit the common Steel-types in DW. If using Blissey on a rain team, Thunder is a good offensive option, though. A Calm Mind set can allow Blissey to make better use of Serene Grace but would leave her outclassed by nearly every other Calm Mind user. Blissey can use Psych Up to laugh at Substitute + Calm Mind users such as Jirachi, which generally can set up all over her.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Anything with a Fighting-type STAB move, such as Breloom, Conkeldurr, or Terrakion, will hit Blissey so hard that an RBY Chansey in the Safari Zone will whimper. Swords Dance Scizor and Excadrill can set up on Blissey, as they only fear the uncommon Flamethrower. Toxic Spikes are an excellent indirect check to Blissey, as they limit her ability to stay on the battlefield for a long period of time; these can be easily set up by Roserade and Tentacruel. Trick users, such as Latios, can cripple Blissey, as she is incredibly reliant on Shed Shell to avoid the wrath of Chandelure or Leftovers to give her consistent recovery. In DW, Keldeo stands out as one of the only special attackers that can beat Blissey, as Secret Sword targets Blissey's pitiful Defense stat. Other special attackers that can overcome Blissey's defenses include Reuniclus, Growth Venusaur in the sun, and Wish + Calm Mind Jirachi. Finally, Forretress and Ferrothorn can set up hazards all over Blissey, as they only fear the rare Flamethrower.</p>
 
Main item should be Shed Shell. Also, Ice Beam makes for a better offensive option than Flamethrower in this meta.

On second thought disregard that last part, but mention Ice Beam in AC.
 
Will do.
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I think the Wish Support needs Aromatherapy mentioned in AC: one could go without Toxic. As far as other suggestions, definitely make sure to make Natural Cure the main ability. I know this is GP's job, but in C&C you spelled Conkeldurr wrong.
To make matters worse, the introduction of Eviolite makes her pre-evolution much bulkier than Blissey.
I think that, with the current size of your overview, you can elaborate a little on this statement. At least somewhere, it should be mentioned that Blissey has the advantage of choosing its item, having recovery in Leftovers on sand and hail teams, and a usable special attack stat. Also, it needs to be mentioned that Blissey can effectively use Stealth Rock: Again, Toxic is not the most essential thing in the world, or you can lose Aromatherapy, but Stealth Rock needs a mention just because of how easily Blissey can set it up on special attackers. Also, Blissey can make use of Gravity on Gravity-based teams. It can set up all 4 types a weather as an option to mess with opposing weathers. As for Checks & Counters, mention that Keldeo can beat Blissey with Secret Sword. Ferrothorn and Forretress can take advantage of Blissey that don't utilize Flamethrower, the former stealing huge amounts of HP with Leech Seed. Scizor, Excadrill, Mamoswine, Haxorus, Cloyster, Gyarados, and Metagross are all physical attackers that can easily defeat Blissey, Scizor, Excadrill, and Metagross also immune to Toxic. Genesect can deal a lot of damage with U-turn, and Nasty Plot Thundurus can beat Blissey if it chooses to run Substitute and Focus Blast instead of Hidden Power Ice. Anyways, cheers!
 
Rename the Support set 'Cleric'. That's what it is, and it's the best way to differentiate the Wish set and that one.

Also, I'd argue that the Wish set should be first. Status isn't really that common, and even if you encounter it Blissey can just switch in and absorb it herself, thanks to Natural Cure. The only thing you wouldn't switch into is Spore Breloom, but I don't really want to Aromatherapy that since Sleep Clause then deactivates and you're giving Breloom another opportunity to Spore. Wish support on the other hand can be very useful for the likes of Genesect, bulky Excadrill, Politoed, Ninetales, Tyranitar, Chandelure, etc.

Also, Blissey doesn't really benefit from sand / hail more than Chansey. One of Blissey's advantages over Chansey is being able to Protect with Leftovers recovery, but it loses that in sand.

By the way, stay consistent with he, she / it.
 

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How about you add a Calm Mind Blissey set (Softboiled, CM, 2 Special Attacks; Natural Cure ability) similar to the CM-Blissey-set of the ADV-era?

I think that set is pretty good because it isnt setup bait for SubCM-Chandelure which lets Blissey use Leftovers. Furthermore CM-Blissey deals with almost any Special Attackers out there and has some offensive presence (something really neat for DW).
 
The AC of both sets need to be fleshed out quite a bit before this can be approved. Mention specific teammates that can help Blissey, such as Pokemon that can deal with SubCM Chandelure, etc.
 

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How about you add a Calm Mind Blissey set (Softboiled, CM, 2 Special Attacks; Natural Cure ability) similar to the CM-Blissey-set of the ADV-era?

I think that set is pretty good because it isnt setup bait for SubCM-Chandelure which lets Blissey use Leftovers. Furthermore CM-Blissey deals with almost any Special Attackers out there and has some offensive presence (something really neat for DW).
Ice Beam/Flamethrower
 
I've tried that set, it's not great. I'm testing Thunderbolt + Flamethrower but CM Blissey seems to be horrible
 

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An interesting choice on rain teams is Thunder; it's a stronger move and has a good paralysis chance. OO mention would be good IMO.
 
Overview
  • Adjust the introduction to "premier special wall up until BW, when it's pre-evolution began to give it serious competition" or something along the lines of that.
  • You need to explain the benefits of running Blissey over Chansey; i.e. Shed Shell or Leftovers recovery on sand / hail teams, useable Special Attack, etc.
Wish Support Blissey
  • Be specific about what Flamethrower hits; Ferrothorn, Genesect, Breloom, etc.
  • You've got your paragraph order messed up. Referencing your current wite-up, the order should go Set Comments -> Paragraph 1 -> Additional Comments -> Paragraph 3 -> Paragraph 2. Mention Ice Beam for hitting Garchomp / Breloom / Dragonite etc. in what will become the second paragraph.
Cleric Blissey
  • Don't see much wrong here.
Other Options
  • Ok. Mention Serene Grace on CM and don't be so specific about its move choices.
Checks and Counters
  • Give examples of special sweepers that beat Blissey, such as SubCM Chandelure, CM Wish Jirachi, CM Reuniclus, Growth Giga Drain Venusaur in sun, etc.
Once these changes are made:
APPROVED
 

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