(Standard) Space Western Mafia

Itchni · Aug 28th, 2012, 1:56:34 AM

You walk off the spaceship and there's a whirr of activity around you. The settlement has been set up and it's time to get working, but if it was only that simple. DINC (Dysprosium INC) a company specializing in the extraction of highly precious and sought after rare earth elements may own and operate the settlement but it's not the only presence here. There is the rival SAMCO (Samarium Corporation) who must have sent some spies to undermine DINC's progress. There's also the native ALIENS that don't want you destroying their planet and all that hippy junk. Your goal while you are on Daytidra is to make as much money as possible. Each DOLLAR (DINC Operational Lanthanum Living And Remuneration Stipulation) is worth several billion earth dollars on the Lanthanum market, so even getting 1 of them back home would give you a life of luxary. But there's only 4 tickets home before the spring comes and most of the dangerous life is in hibernation. Only the richest will leave and the others will likely die from animal attacks. The game is on.

The "Official" Channel for this game is #ffm

Rules:

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Player List (randomized with www.randomizelist.com)
Penguin344
Photo -> Ullar Warlord
mithril
askaninjask
Walrein
Zorbees
meowmixx
Slim Guldo
theangryscientist
Kaxtar
Porygon3
Draycos7
Altair
Vintage Books
rediamond
Ditto
Jalmont
Da Letter El
Blue Tornado
idiotfrommars
paperblade
More Cowbell
Metal Bagon
Mrc Rangers97
cereza

Dear Itchni

You are the CEO

You not only founded DINC but you run it's operations. After getting your PhD. Nanomaterials science you founded DINC which uses many types of rare earth metals to make useful nanomaterials for many purposes, like electronics and portable x-ray machines. All the Rare earth metals mined from the planet belongs to you so you make a godly 1 million DOLLARS a day. You have the power to withhold pay from people by messaging itchni "Day/Night X - USER you are fired"

You are allied with DINC. You win if your team eliminates all harmful targets AND you are in the top 4 DOLLAR holders at the end of the game.

Well, that would be if you were actually on Daytidra. You already win because you got these suckers to do the work for you.

Itchni · Aug 28th, 2012, 1:57:06 AM

All PM's have been sent

Store prices are as follows:

Laser Gun - Kill - 32 DOLLARS
Laser Proof Vest – Bullet Proof Vest - 20 DOLLARS
Hire A Hooker- Hook - 8 DOLLARS
DINC Database Inquiry- Inspect - 8 DOLLARS
DINC Stocks- Increases income by 2 DOLLARS/day(even after death) – 8 DOLLARS
(all items are 1 use except for the stocks)

BTW if it wasn't clear, DINC is village SAMCO and ALIENS are mafias.

lol i keep leaving things out.
I'd like access to your spreadsheets(billirons@live.com) also please talk to me during the game, it gets kinda lonely hosting :( . I want to know why you do what do you and any alliances you form. It makes me enjoy the whole experience more and makes for a much better postgame.

Da Letter El · Aug 28th, 2012, 3:33:34 AM

SUP DINCers

So it looks like we have three options: we try to collude with a village leader, try to take out the mafia, and then just see who has the most money at the end, we just form alliances and hope things work out, or we do some combination of the two. I think that we're probably gonna want to do something closer to the first one, as we're probably fighting an uphill battle without some sort of cooperation.

If we're going to do the village leadership thing, I think that I'm an ok candidate. Not gonna be clamoring for claims yet, as I don't have the time to do so because of this stupid hurricane that's supposed to hit in a few hours, and I don't think people are going to be so willing to work with someone if they can just end up losing if the village leader decided for them to buy some items or something. But do note that I have never lost as a village leader (except if you count handicapable where I was neutral) and am probably better than most of the people on this players list.

Still, we need to give this some thought and we need people to discuss what they think we should do so that we can make a decision and work with it.

Photo · Aug 28th, 2012, 3:48:28 AM

No one's stupid enough to claim to you before the game's even started. You can gain our trust and then try and lead, fine, but trying to sell yourself as village leader - someone who will lead us to victory, first post is a bad tactic and you should feel bad.

Metal Bagon · Aug 28th, 2012, 4:06:06 AM

He usually does that.

hf to all.

Da Letter El · Aug 28th, 2012, 4:14:53 AM

You clearly didn't see how I bullied claims out of the town (and the mafia) in the last game that I won. First post and taking charge works. But this game, it's a lot less likely people are just gonna claim to me, and bullying might just lead to people being assholes and hurting the village as a whole and feeling justified in doing so. And I'm not the martyr this game. So I don't get to be like "lol can't doubt the martyr bro"

So I want a discussion in here on what we're actually going to do. At the end of the day, we're gonna need to kill the mafia to win, and the best way we've done that before is with a village leader. However, is a village leader the best way to ensure that individuals will win? And what sort of cooperation can a village leader expect?

Already shared my inclination on some sort of village leader being beneficial, and I'm probably the most qualified to lead. But if we want shit done N0, I can't do it. So you all actually have to do something for once and think about how we're going to win this game.

I have a couple ideas about this game already.

Here's the question I think needs to be asked:

What solution best assures cooperation and collective action to eliminating the mafia, while assuring the highest likelihood of a personal victory in the eyes of the actors?

Possible solutions:

1. For items, have a lot of people pitch in 1 or 2 dollars and pass them to one person, then have said person purchase the item/action from the store. Don't think we can do this n0.

Problems: If even one mafia is in that chain of knowledge, they can hook the item buy, steal the item bought, steal the money involved, etc. Since information about who is getting money is really spread out, it makes our night actions super vulnerable. Also difficult to see who did not pass the dollar, unless a person coordinating it was trying to be tricky and only had that one person pass a dollar.

Benefits: Although it makes it vulnerable, it has the highest likelihood of collective action, as the sacrifice made by an individual is minimal.

2. Rotate who has to buy items and whatnot.

Problems: Not reason why someone could just refuse to buy their item on their turn. Town then couldn't turn on a townie that did this because then we'd be wasting a lynch on someone we aren't sure is mafia.

Benefits: Least likely for the mafia to interfere, forces mafia when it is their turn into a gambit of using their money for the sake of the town (although they could lie about results or something) or risking pissing off whomever is trying to make stuff work.

Da Letter El · Aug 28th, 2012, 4:16:47 AM

So as you can see, both of those solutions sort of suck. They are pretty public ways of doing things, though, and wouldn't require a village leader. However, a village leader would make it so that things are more coordinated and so that the village isn't doing anything redundant or stupid (or too public)

We could just break off into groups and collab that way, as Itchni already suggested. I'm not sure how that would turn out though. To me it seems like that's a good way to get things going in terms of actions, but makes it pretty easy for redundancy, lack of accountability, and likelihood of moling. However, it's honestly one of the better ways we could do things, although it does in some ways weaken the village by separating it.

Then again, it also weakens the moles...I'm kind of liking the separate groups thing. Don't know how it compares to a village leader though. Someone else start thinking. I need to sleep.

MrcRanger97 · Aug 28th, 2012, 9:15:13 AM

yay, bickering already!
glhf

Itchni · Aug 28th, 2012, 9:34:33 AM

Deadline is in 50.4 hours. Everyone must send in a night action or have an activity post in the thread.

More Cowbell · Aug 28th, 2012, 9:56:31 AM

[activity post]

Best of luck to everyone!

Jalmont · Aug 28th, 2012, 10:07:14 AM

im claiming to daletterel ;)

penguin344 · Aug 28th, 2012, 10:44:11 AM

hi i am active
glhf

Da Letter El · Aug 28th, 2012, 11:27:42 AM

Jalmont shut up, I know you just want my sheet

Cereza · Aug 28th, 2012, 11:36:58 AM

activity!!!!

Altair · Aug 28th, 2012, 12:09:41 PM

quack quack

dle talk to me

quack quack

Itchni · Aug 28th, 2012, 12:35:25 PM

sample role PM for those who wish to use it is in post 1

Walrein · Aug 28th, 2012, 1:34:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Altair

quack quack

dle talk to me

quack quack

Squak squak

I see your duck and raise you a chicken

gl all

Squak squak

MeowMixx · Aug 28th, 2012, 2:01:41 PM

man I want that sweet gun

idiotfrommars · Aug 28th, 2012, 2:22:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Jalmont

im claiming to daletterel ;)

I concur

Rediamond · Aug 28th, 2012, 3:32:46 PM

Activity post/glhf/please don't DQ me yet

Blue_Tornado · Aug 28th, 2012, 4:57:27 PM

Obvious course of action is to work together to make sure the mafia don't take any of our money.

zorbees · Aug 28th, 2012, 5:21:09 PM

Looking for 3 villagers to form a mini-alliance, PM me on the forums or find ALEXMORGAN13 on irc if interested.

Altair · Aug 28th, 2012, 5:22:07 PM

I too am looking for villagers to join my alliance, contact me on irc if interested

Da Letter El · Aug 28th, 2012, 6:49:09 PM

Figure someone should start taking down SOME sort of collective information. I'm not going to force you to do certain night actions or whatever (yet) as I imagine none of you are going to be very willing to do anything about your cash monet.

I'll just say my role's somewhat provable, and I'm probably a better village leader than anyone else here. And no one else is doing this shit.

If you have a bold word in your role PM like what is in the first post, please tell me what this word is. There is literally 0 harm in divulging this information, unless you think I'm some neutral who wants to kill based on if you are receiving a godly or a meager paycheck. Which would be the dumbest fucking role ever and you all know it.

So claim that much to me ty.

Jalmont · Aug 28th, 2012, 6:51:33 PM

da letter el what are you talking about i carried you in billymills

Aug 28th, 2012, 1:56:34 AM	#1
Itchni Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 777	Space Western Mafia You walk off the spaceship and there's a whirr of activity around you. The settlement has been set up and it's time to get working, but if it was only that simple. DINC (Dysprosium INC) a company specializing in the extraction of highly precious and sought after rare earth elements may own and operate the settlement but it's not the only presence here. There is the rival SAMCO (Samarium Corporation) who must have sent some spies to undermine DINC's progress. There's also the native ALIENS that don't want you destroying their planet and all that hippy junk. Your goal while you are on Daytidra is to make as much money as possible. Each DOLLAR (DINC Operational Lanthanum Living And Remuneration Stipulation) is worth several billion earth dollars on the Lanthanum market, so even getting 1 of them back home would give you a life of luxary. But there's only 4 tickets home before the spring comes and most of the dangerous life is in hibernation. Only the richest will leave and the others will likely die from animal attacks. The game is on. The "Official" Channel for this game is #ffm Rules: ... 1. Whilst you are alive you can talk to anyone about the game. Once you are dead you cannot talk to anyone about the game, unless you are mafia and on the same team, in which case you may talk with members of your team only, and only for strategy purposes. Knowledge acquired after death cannot be transferred from a dead player to a living player. 2. Every user has a role PM. Role PMs may not be shown to other users on Night 0, but starting from Day 1 onwards they may be freely distributed. Screenshotting of all forms is banned. If anyone finds a person encouraging others to take screenshots or taking screenshots and showing other people, please be sure to report it. 3. You can paste things told to you by the host. You may fake logs. Do not take pasting of a host conversation as definite proof, these can be faked. If you want to fake a log, feel free to PM the host for assistance. Impersonation of a host or another user however, is banned at all points. Please do not attempt to impersonate in any way. 4. Each day will have a deadline of 48 hours (most of the time). You may vote to lynch users during the day by posting "lynch USER" in bold, or "No lynch" if you don't want to lynch anyone, and if you change your vote, you MUST edit the bolded text out of the old post if you post with a new vote. Once there is a majority as determined by the host, there will be a grace period of 3 hours, and if the majority is still in place after said grace period, the day will end. Please don't ask about when a majority is reached - once it's time for the day to end, it'll end (provided a host is there to update). The game will start on Night 0. 4.5. If there's a tie, no lynch will happen. 5. Each night will have a deadline of 48 hours. This gives you 48 hours to send your night action. Please state what you are doing in the PM title, it makes it MUCH easier to handle. Remember that PMs are to be sent to Itchni. 5.5. If you're not going to do anything at night, send a PM titled "Night X - idling". This makes keeping track of things easier and informs me that you're still playing the game. 6. Priorities have been decided beforehand and will not be revealed. 7. This game features items. Items can be used at the same time as regular night actions, unless stated otherwise. You can give an item away during either the day or night, by sending a pm to Itchni stating "Night/Day X - Give ITEM to USER." You cannot use an item during the same night you give it away, however you can use an unrelated ability whilst giving away an item. Giving away an item has the lowest priority, and if you are killed/lynched the same night/day you attempt to give away an item, it won't be moved. You cannot use an item the same night you purchase it. You can purchase items in both the day and night. 8. The killer of a player receives any items that user was holding not including stocks. 9. Only sign up if you know you're going to be active. If I notice that you seem to be idle, I reserve the right to have you forcefully subbed out if necessary. I'll most likely nudge first, though. 10. I encourage the village to work in small mafia like groups. Any user stupid enough to listen to a village leader in this game will be publicly humiliated and laughed at. 11. DOLLARS (Dinc Operational Lanthanum Living And Remuneration Stipulation) Are a currency used by most roles in this game. They are very important to many aspects of the game and will be further explained when the game starts. They may be freely given during the day or night with lowest priority. 12. When a person dies, all their DOLLARS will still belong to them. 13. I am Canadian. Take it how you will. 14. Dead people can still be targeted by all abilities. 15. I reserve the right to change or add any rules at anytime I want Player List (randomized with www.randomizelist.com) Penguin344 Photo -> Ullar Warlord mithril askaninjask Walrein Zorbees meowmixx Slim Guldo theangryscientist Kaxtar Porygon3 Draycos7 Altair Vintage Books rediamond Ditto Jalmont Da Letter El Blue Tornado idiotfrommars paperblade More Cowbell Metal Bagon Mrc Rangers97 cereza Dear Itchni You are the CEO You not only founded DINC but you run it's operations. After getting your PhD. Nanomaterials science you founded DINC which uses many types of rare earth metals to make useful nanomaterials for many purposes, like electronics and portable x-ray machines. All the Rare earth metals mined from the planet belongs to you so you make a godly 1 million DOLLARS a day. You have the power to withhold pay from people by messaging itchni "Day/Night X - USER you are fired" You are allied with DINC. You win if your team eliminates all harmful targets AND you are in the top 4 DOLLAR holders at the end of the game. Well, that would be if you were actually on Daytidra. You already win because you got these suckers to do the work for you. __________________ Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am prosecuted whenever I am contradicted - Ralph Waldo Emerson Last edited by Itchni; Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:43:19 PM.

Aug 28th, 2012, 1:57:06 AM	#2
Itchni Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 777	All PM's have been sent Store prices are as follows: Laser Gun - Kill - 32 DOLLARS Laser Proof Vest – Bullet Proof Vest - 20 DOLLARS Hire A Hooker- Hook - 8 DOLLARS DINC Database Inquiry- Inspect - 8 DOLLARS DINC Stocks- Increases income by 2 DOLLARS/day(even after death) – 8 DOLLARS (all items are 1 use except for the stocks) BTW if it wasn't clear, DINC is village SAMCO and ALIENS are mafias. lol i keep leaving things out. I'd like access to your spreadsheets(billirons@live.com) also please talk to me during the game, it gets kinda lonely hosting :( . I want to know why you do what do you and any alliances you form. It makes me enjoy the whole experience more and makes for a much better postgame. __________________ Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am prosecuted whenever I am contradicted - Ralph Waldo Emerson Last edited by Itchni; Aug 28th, 2012 at 10:51:57 PM.

Aug 28th, 2012, 9:15:13 AM	#8
MrcRanger97 Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 795 Skyrim	yay, bickering already! glhf __________________ <EspyOwner> now I have to go next door to meet the neighbor's daughter <EspyOwner> fugly cunt <MK_Ultra> espy bang her <MK_Ultra> assert dominance My ASB Team My Reffing profile HeartGold Scramble! Soloed Whitney's miltank with a Sunkern!

Aug 28th, 2012, 9:34:33 AM	#9
Itchni Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 777	Deadline is in 50.4 hours. Everyone must send in a night action or have an activity post in the thread. __________________ Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am prosecuted whenever I am contradicted - Ralph Waldo Emerson Last edited by Itchni; Aug 28th, 2012 at 2:53:49 PM.

Aug 28th, 2012, 12:35:25 PM	#16
Itchni Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 777	sample role PM for those who wish to use it is in post 1 __________________ Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am prosecuted whenever I am contradicted - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Aug 28th, 2012, 3:33:34 AM	#3
Da Letter El Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,882	SUP DINCers So it looks like we have three options: we try to collude with a village leader, try to take out the mafia, and then just see who has the most money at the end, we just form alliances and hope things work out, or we do some combination of the two. I think that we're probably gonna want to do something closer to the first one, as we're probably fighting an uphill battle without some sort of cooperation. If we're going to do the village leadership thing, I think that I'm an ok candidate. Not gonna be clamoring for claims yet, as I don't have the time to do so because of this stupid hurricane that's supposed to hit in a few hours, and I don't think people are going to be so willing to work with someone if they can just end up losing if the village leader decided for them to buy some items or something. But do note that I have never lost as a village leader (except if you count handicapable where I was neutral) and am probably better than most of the people on this players list. Still, we need to give this some thought and we need people to discuss what they think we should do so that we can make a decision and work with it.

Aug 28th, 2012, 3:48:28 AM	#4
Photo Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 36 Ireland	No one's stupid enough to claim to you before the game's even started. You can gain our trust and then try and lead, fine, but trying to sell yourself as village leader - someone who will lead us to victory, first post is a bad tactic and you should feel bad.

Aug 28th, 2012, 4:06:06 AM	#5
Metal Bagon Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,668	He usually does that. hf to all.

Aug 28th, 2012, 4:14:53 AM	#6
Da Letter El Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,882	You clearly didn't see how I bullied claims out of the town (and the mafia) in the last game that I won. First post and taking charge works. But this game, it's a lot less likely people are just gonna claim to me, and bullying might just lead to people being assholes and hurting the village as a whole and feeling justified in doing so. And I'm not the martyr this game. So I don't get to be like "lol can't doubt the martyr bro" So I want a discussion in here on what we're actually going to do. At the end of the day, we're gonna need to kill the mafia to win, and the best way we've done that before is with a village leader. However, is a village leader the best way to ensure that individuals will win? And what sort of cooperation can a village leader expect? Already shared my inclination on some sort of village leader being beneficial, and I'm probably the most qualified to lead. But if we want shit done N0, I can't do it. So you all actually have to do something for once and think about how we're going to win this game. I have a couple ideas about this game already. Here's the question I think needs to be asked: What solution best assures cooperation and collective action to eliminating the mafia, while assuring the highest likelihood of a personal victory in the eyes of the actors? Possible solutions: 1. For items, have a lot of people pitch in 1 or 2 dollars and pass them to one person, then have said person purchase the item/action from the store. Don't think we can do this n0. Problems: If even one mafia is in that chain of knowledge, they can hook the item buy, steal the item bought, steal the money involved, etc. Since information about who is getting money is really spread out, it makes our night actions super vulnerable. Also difficult to see who did not pass the dollar, unless a person coordinating it was trying to be tricky and only had that one person pass a dollar. Benefits: Although it makes it vulnerable, it has the highest likelihood of collective action, as the sacrifice made by an individual is minimal. 2. Rotate who has to buy items and whatnot. Problems: Not reason why someone could just refuse to buy their item on their turn. Town then couldn't turn on a townie that did this because then we'd be wasting a lynch on someone we aren't sure is mafia. Benefits: Least likely for the mafia to interfere, forces mafia when it is their turn into a gambit of using their money for the sake of the town (although they could lie about results or something) or risking pissing off whomever is trying to make stuff work.

Aug 28th, 2012, 4:16:47 AM	#7
Da Letter El Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,882	So as you can see, both of those solutions sort of suck. They are pretty public ways of doing things, though, and wouldn't require a village leader. However, a village leader would make it so that things are more coordinated and so that the village isn't doing anything redundant or stupid (or too public) We could just break off into groups and collab that way, as Itchni already suggested. I'm not sure how that would turn out though. To me it seems like that's a good way to get things going in terms of actions, but makes it pretty easy for redundancy, lack of accountability, and likelihood of moling. However, it's honestly one of the better ways we could do things, although it does in some ways weaken the village by separating it. Then again, it also weakens the moles...I'm kind of liking the separate groups thing. Don't know how it compares to a village leader though. Someone else start thinking. I need to sleep.

Aug 28th, 2012, 9:56:31 AM	#10
More Cowbell Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,063 Singing of the freedom of utopic space	[activity post] Best of luck to everyone!

Aug 28th, 2012, 10:07:14 AM	#11
Jalmont Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 423	im claiming to daletterel ;)

Aug 28th, 2012, 10:44:11 AM	#12
penguin344 Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 248	hi i am active glhf

Aug 28th, 2012, 11:27:42 AM	#13
Da Letter El Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,882	Jalmont shut up, I know you just want my sheet

Aug 28th, 2012, 11:36:58 AM	#14
Cereza Tastes Like Candy Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,143 Long Island	activity!!!!

Aug 28th, 2012, 12:09:41 PM	#15
Altair just who is the coon? Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 617 )()()()()()(	quack quack dle talk to me quack quack

Aug 28th, 2012, 2:01:41 PM	#18
MeowMixx Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 51	man I want that sweet gun __________________ meow

Aug 28th, 2012, 3:32:46 PM	#20
Rediamond Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,467	Activity post/glhf/please don't DQ me yet

Aug 28th, 2012, 4:57:27 PM	#21
Blue_Tornado Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,898 Phantastic	Obvious course of action is to work together to make sure the mafia don't take any of our money. __________________ .

Aug 28th, 2012, 5:21:09 PM	#22
zorbees Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,578	Looking for 3 villagers to form a mini-alliance, PM me on the forums or find ALEXMORGAN13 on irc if interested. __________________ I HAVE WON THE BET

Aug 28th, 2012, 5:22:07 PM	#23
Altair just who is the coon? Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 617 )()()()()()(	I too am looking for villagers to join my alliance, contact me on irc if interested

Aug 28th, 2012, 6:49:09 PM	#24
Da Letter El Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,882	Figure someone should start taking down SOME sort of collective information. I'm not going to force you to do certain night actions or whatever (yet) as I imagine none of you are going to be very willing to do anything about your cash monet. I'll just say my role's somewhat provable, and I'm probably a better village leader than anyone else here. And no one else is doing this shit. If you have a bold word in your role PM like what is in the first post, please tell me what this word is. There is literally 0 harm in divulging this information, unless you think I'm some neutral who wants to kill based on if you are receiving a godly or a meager paycheck. Which would be the dumbest fucking role ever and you all know it. So claim that much to me ty.

Aug 28th, 2012, 6:51:33 PM	#25
Jalmont Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 423	da letter el what are you talking about i carried you in billymills