(Tournament) Smogon ASB tournament round 3: Flamestrike vs. Alchemator

The Wanderer · Sep 16th, 2012, 7:53:22 PM

Evening, ladies and gents! Tonight's battle is the third round of the ASB tourney - in particular, the singles division of the Carnivorous Apples and Cruel Britannia!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Da Rules

3v3 singles
2 subs
2 day DQ (players)
2/3 day DQ (refs)
2 recoveries/5 chills
Switch = OK (neither specified, so I flipped a coin)
Items = OFF
Abilities = ALL
Self-KO clause = ON
Arena = ASB arena

Now then...let's meet tonight's warriors, shall we?

Flamestrike: (NOTE: Flamestrike's teammates will be filling in for him for most, if not all, of this battle)

Shadowstrike the Golurk

Shockstrike the Cyclohm

Mindstrike the Gallade

VS.

Alchemator:

Stevenson the Starmie

Shakespeare the Gallade

Orwell the Metagross

Think well about which pokemon to open with. PM me your starters, and we'll get the fight going!

Its_A_Random · Sep 25th, 2012, 3:06:40 AM

Okay, an exchange of VM's has confirmed that Alch is still yet to send his Pokemon, so... Objection & Dogfish44 may feel free to send a Pokemon in his place, but I am going to give until 29/09/2012 at 00:00 GMT to do so. If The Wanderer has not recieved "Alch's" lead by then, then The Wanderer may call DQ if he wishes. As unbiased as I want to be, I am not going to let any match idle for an obnoxious amount of time... :/

Also, yes, I did send a lead in for Flame about a week ago if anyone cares.

The Wanderer · Sep 25th, 2012, 7:08:21 PM

Well, it took a while, but we finally have our starting mons! Looks like the Apples have the lead typewise, but Illuminate could be a problem...

Pre-battle

And now, the coin (heads goes to Flamestrike)...

It's heads! Flamestrike orders first!

Its_A_Random · Sep 28th, 2012, 2:31:25 AM

Posting for Flamestrike. Let us do this, Shockstrike! I THINK Camouflage turns the Pokemon into a Normal-Type...

Thunderbolt > Discharge > Thunderbolt
IF Reflect Type is issued, THEN replace all instances of Thunderbolt with Dragon Pulse, AND replace all instances of Discharge with Ice Beam.
IF (Evasive Damaging Move) is issued, THEN use Thunderbolt (Moat) that action, pushing actions back.

Objection · Oct 2nd, 2012, 9:40:25 AM

Posting for Alchemator. Actually, I think Camouflage would change the Pokemon into a Ground-type in the ASB arena, since it's not a building or artificial environment. Plus Nature Power turns into Earthquake here.

Camouflage - Ice Beam - Blizzard
If Camouflage would not change Starmie to a Ground-type, change action 1 to Light Screen

Dogfish44 · Oct 2nd, 2012, 11:58:11 AM

Can we have a ruling on Camouflage before reffing, since I suspect it effects orders somewhat.

The Wanderer · Oct 2nd, 2012, 12:01:34 PM

EDIT: Well, looks like the ruling's out that it IS normal-type. So, without further ado...

Pre-round

Round 1: A Song of Ice and...uh...Lightning
♫Challenger Invited

And they're off! Stevenson's core begins to glow, and starts the fight off covering itself in a Screen of its Light to ward off Shockstrike's attacks. This turns out to be a wise move, as the Cyclohm shoots a Thunderbolt from one of his mouths that still does a hefty amount of damage. As the Starmie retaliates by shooting a Beam of its own (made of Ice, no less), Shockstrike begins to crackle with electricity and Discharge it all on Stevenson, paralyzing the giant starfish! Ouch! Now holding the speed advantage, Shockstrike drops another Thunderbolt on Stevenson...who in losing the initiative, gains a little power through Analytic, and drops the arena's temperature significantly, pelting the Cyclohm with a Blizzard of pain!

Flamestrike is currently leading in terms of HP, but Alch might have a few tricks up his sleeve. How will this play out? Find out after the break!

Crunch

End Round 1

Your move, Britannia.

Objection · Oct 4th, 2012, 8:14:53 PM

Its_A_Random · Oct 9th, 2012, 2:19:35 AM

After a lengthy delay & bickering with Engineer...

Earthquake > Low Kick > Earthquake
IF Orwell is under the effects of Magnet Rise when you are to use Earthquake, THEN use Fire Punch that action.
IF Reflect is issued, THEN use Brick Break as your next action, pushing actions back.

Objection · Oct 14th, 2012, 8:11:45 AM

After a lengthier delay & discussing with Dogfish44 ...

Protect - Stealth Rock - Protect

The Wanderer · Oct 14th, 2012, 10:53:11 PM

Pre-round

Round 2: Swap into Stalling

We're back, folks! Both trainers have switched out their pokemon - Shockstrike has tagged off with Mindstrike the Gallade, while Stevenson has done the same with Orwell the Metagross!

Mindstrike thrusts his fist into the ground, triggering a nasty Earthquake that Orwell Protects against, and follows up with a Low Kick that still does a substantial amount of damage in spite of Light Metal. Our Metagross from 1984 responds by hurling up a flurry of Stealth Rocks to discourage further switching, and Protects himself from a second Earthquake!

Not much happened this round. Who will shake things up? Stay tuned!

Crunch

End Round 2

Bench

Britannia?

Objection · Oct 14th, 2012, 11:01:11 PM

Low Kick should have 13 BAP against Metagross with Light Metal since its WC is 7 according to the DAT.

Anyway, we discussed this part of our strategy earlier and ...

Its_A_Random · Oct 20th, 2012, 12:37:27 AM

After an incredibly long delay...

No Switch

Objection · Oct 24th, 2012, 4:39:53 AM

Since Dogfish44 has no idea what to do, I guess it's up to me.

Rain Dance - Hydro Pump - Surf
If he uses a damaging Electric-type move and you have not used Reflect Type this round and you are not taunted, change that action to Reflect Type and push actions back.
If he uses Light Screen, change all remaining instances of Surf to Dive.

Its_A_Random · Oct 27th, 2012, 9:33:14 PM

We have enough tricks to stop that, Mindstrike!

Encore > Thunderbolt > Leaf Blade
IF Encore misses A1, THEN use Teleport (Evade) A2.

The Wanderer · Oct 29th, 2012, 4:41:26 PM

Pre-round

Round 3: Swap into Shining

We're back, ladies and gents! Alch has swapped back into Stevenson, who gleams brightly and messes with Mindstrike's vision! Hoping the drop in accuracy helps, the Starmie performs a Rain Dance to turn the tables...but unfortunately, it doesn't, and Mindstrike gives Stevenson a hearty Encore, forcing it to keep dancing! Taking advantage of the situation, Flamestrike's Gallade gathers electrical energy within his hands and fires a Thunderbolt, but the glare from Stevenson's core throws him off, and his shot goes wide! Deciding that close combat is the way to go while Stevenson is still dancing, Mindstrike rushes the Starmie and connects a Leafy Blade.

Odds are still in favor of the Apples in terms of health, but with Encore wearing off, Alch might be able to turn this around. How will this play out? Find out after the break!

Crunch

End Round 3

Bench

Apples?

Objection · Oct 29th, 2012, 4:57:50 PM

I'm pretty sure Starmie is supposed to use Surf on action 3 since Encore lasts for 2 actions including the action it's used on, meaning Starmie is only affected by it on action 1 and action 2.

The Wanderer · Oct 29th, 2012, 5:02:02 PM

I'm pretty sure that only applies if the one who uses encore goes first, and since Gallade went last...

Objection · Oct 29th, 2012, 5:15:52 PM

Nope.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Deck Knight

After action:
Poison, Toxic, Leech Seed, Burn, Weather Damage, Partial Trapping Move Damage, Bide Stage, Yawn Stage, Taunt Stage, Disable Stage, Encore Stage, Magnet Rise Stage, Reflect Stage, Light Screen Stage, Telekinesis Stage.

After action effects occur after both Pokemon have completed their actions

After Gallade uses Encore, both pokemon have completed their actions, so its stage goes down. I even remember Deck Knight telling me to ref a Light Screen stage that way, saying that it was a benefit to being faster.

The Wanderer · Oct 29th, 2012, 5:17:53 PM

EDIT: Fix'd.

Engineer Pikachu · Oct 29th, 2012, 5:28:38 PM

Well, given that they're bringing the argument here, I might as well post an opposing case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Deck Knight

Encore: The Pokemon gives its opponent an enthusiastic round of applause. The target is so flattered that it can’t help but repeat its last action for the next two (2) of its actions. The afflicted Pokemon will not expend extra energy from consecutive attacks while Encore is in effect. Encore fails when used on a target whose Encore ended on the previous action or whose last successful action was a combo or a cooldown.

A2 is clearly one action, while A2 and A3 together are clearly two. We ordered on the basis that what was listed in the move description was actually correct, and while I won't pursue a reordering if this turns out to be false (I don't know if IAR will), this should be resolved.

Its_A_Random · Nov 1st, 2012, 6:28:09 AM

Nah, no re-order, but we really need to get a ruling on this. Naturally supporting Engineer's argument. We might refrain from ordering until this is resolved, though :S

On another note, fuck Illuminate, seriously.

Objection · Nov 1st, 2012, 5:56:48 PM

OK, we have a ruling.

<~Deck_Knight> No, it starts ticking on the next relevant action. So if you're faster it affects that action, if you're slower it starts on the next action.

As a result, Starmie remains encored on action 3. Now, the DAT says that moves that fail due to a move like Taunt will fail on their first use and be converted to Struggle on subsequent uses. However, Encore itself does not cause moves to fail. As a result, Starmie should use Rain Dance on action 3, not Struggle - if I had ordered Rain Dance x 3, you wouldn't have changed the last Rain Dance to Struggle now would you.

Its_A_Random · Nov 2nd, 2012, 12:38:54 AM

I know the thing is not fixed yet, but we better not waste any more time...

The Wanderer · Nov 2nd, 2012, 12:44:42 AM

Alright, thanks for the clarification. Round's fix'd.

God-Emperor, why is it always fucking encore...

Sep 25th, 2012, 3:06:40 AM	#2
Its_A_Random Points out the obvious Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6,532 A country full of spiders	Okay, an exchange of VM's has confirmed that Alch is still yet to send his Pokemon, so... Objection & Dogfish44 may feel free to send a Pokemon in his place, but I am going to give until 29/09/2012 at 00:00 GMT to do so. If The Wanderer has not recieved "Alch's" lead by then, then The Wanderer may call DQ if he wishes. As unbiased as I want to be, I am not going to let any match idle for an obnoxious amount of time... :/ Also, yes, I did send a lead in for Flame about a week ago if anyone cares. __________________ [11:42:06] <&@elevator_music> uggh \| [11:42:07] <&@elevator_music> iar \| [11:42:09] <&@elevator_music> because of you \| [11:42:22] <&@elevator_music> a lot of my notes in class are filled with &s Last edited by Its_A_Random; Sep 25th, 2012 at 7:09:49 AM.

Sep 25th, 2012, 7:08:21 PM	#3
The Wanderer Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,744 Sumshadagrene City	Well, it took a while, but we finally have our starting mons! Looks like the Apples have the lead typewise, but Illuminate could be a problem... Pre-battle Flamestrike (OAO): Shockstrike HP: 110 EN: 100 Stats: 1/4/5/3/80 Abilities: Shield Dust, Static, Overcoat Status ailments: None Stat changes: -1 Acc (6 actions) Other: None VS. Alchemator (AOO): Stevenson HP: 90 EN: 100 Stats: 2/3/4/3/133 Abilities: Illuminate, Natural Cure, Analytic Status ailments: None Stat changes: +20 Accuracy Other: None And now, the coin (heads goes to Flamestrike)... It's heads! Flamestrike orders first! __________________ Fair warning, guys: Gonna be gone from the 3rd to the 5th. ...Also, asb team. Also also, ref profile.

Sep 28th, 2012, 2:31:25 AM	#4
Its_A_Random Points out the obvious Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6,532 A country full of spiders	Posting for Flamestrike. Let us do this, Shockstrike! I THINK Camouflage turns the Pokemon into a Normal-Type... Thunderbolt > Discharge > Thunderbolt IF Reflect Type is issued, THEN replace all instances of Thunderbolt with Dragon Pulse, AND replace all instances of Discharge with Ice Beam. IF (Evasive Damaging Move) is issued, THEN use Thunderbolt (Moat) that action, pushing actions back. __________________ [11:42:06] <&@elevator_music> uggh \| [11:42:07] <&@elevator_music> iar \| [11:42:09] <&@elevator_music> because of you \| [11:42:22] <&@elevator_music> a lot of my notes in class are filled with &s

Oct 2nd, 2012, 9:40:25 AM	#5
Objection Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,078	Posting for Alchemator. Actually, I think Camouflage would change the Pokemon into a Ground-type in the ASB arena, since it's not a building or artificial environment. Plus Nature Power turns into Earthquake here. Camouflage - Ice Beam - Blizzard If Camouflage would not change Starmie to a Ground-type, change action 1 to Light Screen __________________ <dogfish44> I got a suprise KFC ^.^ <Glacier> kinky fat chick? ASB profile, ASB pokemon, arena collection, unwritten ASB rulings (collected by Dogfish44), in-game effect order, and new CAP sprites

Oct 2nd, 2012, 11:58:11 AM	#6
Dogfish44 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,345 Deity of Misfortune	Can we have a ruling on Camouflage before reffing, since I suspect it effects orders somewhat. __________________ CAPASB Team & Reffing Profile ASB Ruling? It might be here! 02:47:37 AM ~ <%Objection> i'm neutral on boobs

Oct 2nd, 2012, 12:01:34 PM	#7
The Wanderer Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,744 Sumshadagrene City	EDIT: Well, looks like the ruling's out that it IS normal-type. So, without further ado... Pre-round Flamestrike (OAO): Shockstrike HP: 110 EN: 100 Stats: 1/4/5/3/80 Abilities: Shield Dust, Static, Overcoat Status ailments: None Stat changes: -1 Acc (6 actions) Other: None VS. Alchemator (AOO): Stevenson HP: 90 EN: 100 Stats: 2/3/4/3/133 Abilities: Illuminate, Natural Cure, Analytic Status ailments: None Stat changes: +20 Accuracy Other: None Round 1: A Song of Ice and...uh...Lightning ♫Challenger Invited And they're off! Stevenson's core begins to glow, and starts the fight off covering itself in a Screen of its Light to ward off Shockstrike's attacks. This turns out to be a wise move, as the Cyclohm shoots a Thunderbolt from one of his mouths that still does a hefty amount of damage. As the Starmie retaliates by shooting a Beam of its own (made of Ice, no less), Shockstrike begins to crackle with electricity and Discharge it all on Stevenson, paralyzing the giant starfish! Ouch! Now holding the speed advantage, Shockstrike drops another Thunderbolt on Stevenson...who in losing the initiative, gains a little power through Analytic, and drops the arena's temperature significantly, pelting the Cyclohm with a Blizzard of pain! Flamestrike is currently leading in terms of HP, but Alch might have a few tricks up his sleeve. How will this play out? Find out after the break! Crunch Order: Starmie, Cyclohm Action 1 Stevenson used Light Screen! Alchemator's team was protected against special attacks! (6 actions) Shockstrike used Thunderbolt! -Hit chance (hit <= 7500): 7110 = Hit -Crit chance (Crit <= 625 unless stated otherwise): 4065 = NOPE. -Damage: ((10 / 2) + 3 + 7.5 - 4.5) * 1.5 = 16.5 damage -Effect chance (Paralyzed <= 1000): 7963 = NOPE. Numbers: -Cyclohm: -6 EN -Starmie: -16.5 HP, -7 EN Action 2 Stevenson used Ice Beam! -Hit chance: Irrelevant = Hit -Crit chance: 9324 = NOPE.jpg -Damage: (10 + 6 - 4.5) * 1.5 = 17.25 damage -Effect chance: Irrelevant = NOPE. Shockstrike used Discharge! -Hit chance (Hit <= 7500): 5875 = Hit -Crit chance: 8387 = NOPE. -Damage: ((8 / 2) + 3 + 7.5 - 4.5) * 1.5 = 15 damage -Effect chance (Paralysis <= 3000): 352 = EEEEEEEEEEEEYUP. Stevenson was paralyzed! (20%) Numbers: -Cyclohm: -17.25 HP, -5 EN -Starmie: -15 HP, -7 EN Action 3 (New order: Cyclohm, Starmie) Shockstrike used Thunderbolt! -Hit chance (Hit <= 7500): 2842 = Hit -Crit chance: 6175 = NOPE. -Damage: ((10 / 2) + 3 + 7.5 - 4.5) * 1.5 = 16.5 damage -Effect chance: Irrelevant = NOPE. -Move chance (Paralyzed <= 2000): 3506 = Move Stevenson used Blizzard! -Hit chance (Hit <= 9500): 5927 = Hit -Crit chance: 1837 = NOPE. -Damage: (12 + 2 + 6 - 4.5) * 1.5 = 23.25 damage! -Effect chance: Irrelevant = NOPE. Numbers: -Cyclohm: -23.25(!) HP, -6 EN -Starmie: -16.5 HP, -8 EN Final Numbers: -Cyclohm: -41 (40.5) HP, -17 EN -Starmie: -48 HP, -22 EN End Round 1 Flamestrike (OAO): Shockstrike HP: 69 EN: 83 Stats: 1/4/5/3/80 Abilities: Shield Dust, Static, Overcoat Status ailments: None Stat changes: -1 Acc (3 actions) Other: None VS. Alchemator (AOO): Stevenson HP: 42 EN: 78 Stats: 2/3/4/3/33(133 / 4) Abilities: Illuminate, Natural Cure, Analytic Status ailments: Paralysis (15%) Stat changes: +20 Accuracy Other: Natural Cure counter (5 actions), Light Screen (3 actions) Your move, Britannia. __________________ Fair warning, guys: Gonna be gone from the 3rd to the 5th. ...Also, asb team. Also also, ref profile. Last edited by The Wanderer; Oct 2nd, 2012 at 3:58:01 PM.

Oct 4th, 2012, 8:14:53 PM	#8
Objection Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,078	__________________ <dogfish44> I got a suprise KFC ^.^ <Glacier> kinky fat chick? ASB profile, ASB pokemon, arena collection, unwritten ASB rulings (collected by Dogfish44), in-game effect order, and new CAP sprites

Oct 9th, 2012, 2:19:35 AM	#9
Its_A_Random Points out the obvious Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6,532 A country full of spiders	After a lengthy delay & bickering with Engineer... Earthquake > Low Kick > Earthquake IF Orwell is under the effects of Magnet Rise when you are to use Earthquake, THEN use Fire Punch that action. IF Reflect is issued, THEN use Brick Break as your next action, pushing actions back. __________________ [11:42:06] <&@elevator_music> uggh \| [11:42:07] <&@elevator_music> iar \| [11:42:09] <&@elevator_music> because of you \| [11:42:22] <&@elevator_music> a lot of my notes in class are filled with &s

Oct 14th, 2012, 8:11:45 AM	#10
Objection Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,078	After a lengthier delay & discussing with Dogfish44 ... Protect - Stealth Rock - Protect __________________ <dogfish44> I got a suprise KFC ^.^ <Glacier> kinky fat chick? ASB profile, ASB pokemon, arena collection, unwritten ASB rulings (collected by Dogfish44), in-game effect order, and new CAP sprites

Oct 14th, 2012, 10:53:11 PM	#11
The Wanderer Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,744 Sumshadagrene City	Pre-round Flamestrike (OOA): Mindstrike HP: 100 EN: 100 Stats: 5/3/4/4/69 Abilities: Steadfast, Justified Status ailments: None Stat changes: -10 evasion Other: None VS. Alchemator (OOA): Orwell HP: 100 EN: 100 Stats: 5/5/3/4/60 Abilities: Clear Body, Light Metal Status ailments: None Stat changes: -10 Evasion Other: Light Screen (3 actions) Round 2: Swap into Stalling We're back, folks! Both trainers have switched out their pokemon - Shockstrike has tagged off with Mindstrike the Gallade, while Stevenson has done the same with Orwell the Metagross! Mindstrike thrusts his fist into the ground, triggering a nasty Earthquake that Orwell Protects against, and follows up with a Low Kick that still does a substantial amount of damage in spite of Light Metal. Our Metagross from 1984 responds by hurling up a flurry of Stealth Rocks to discourage further switching, and Protects himself from a second Earthquake! Not much happened this round. Who will shake things up? Stay tuned! Crunch Order: Gallade, Metagross Action 1 (Priority: Metagross, Gallade) Orwell used Protect! Orwell is protecting himself! Mindstrike used Earthquake! Orwell protected himself! -Damage (for energy cost): (10 + 7.5 - 7.5) * 1.5 = 15 damage -Energy Cost: 7 + (15 / 2.5) = 13 EN Numbers: -Gallade: -7 EN -Metagross: -13 EN Action 2 Mindstrike used Low Kick! -Hit chance: Irrelevant = Hit -Crit chance: 2605 = NOPE. -Damage: 13 + 3 + 7.5 - 7.5 = 16 damage -Energy cost: 4 + (7 / 2) - 1 = 7.5 EN Orwell used Stealth Rock! Pointed stones surrounded Flamestrike's team! Numbers: -Gallade: -7.5 EN -Metagross: -13 HP, -12 EN Action 3 (Priority: Metagross, Gallade) Orwell used Protect! Orwell is protecting himself! Mindstrike used Earthquake! Orwell protected himself! -Damage (for energy cost): (10 + 7.5 - 7.5) * 1.5 = 15 damage -Energy Cost: 7 + (15 / 2.5) = 13 EN Numbers: -Gallade: -7 EN -Metagross: -13 EN Final Numbers: -Gallade: -22 (21.5) EN -Metagross: -13 HP, -38 EN End Round 2 Flamestrike (OOA): Mindstrike HP: 100 EN: 78 Stats: 5/3/4/4/69 Abilities: Steadfast, Justified Status ailments: None Stat changes: -10 evasion Other: Stealth Rock VS. Alchemator (OOA): Orwell HP: 87 EN: 62 Stats: 5/5/3/4/60 Abilities: Clear Body, Light Metal Status ailments: None Stat changes: -10 Evasion Other: None Bench Flamestrike: Shockstrike HP: 69 EN: 83 Stats: 1/4/5/3/80 Abilities: Shield Dust, Static, Overcoat Status ailments: None Stat changes: None Other: None VS. Alchemator: Stevenson HP: 42 EN: 78 Stats: 2/3/4/3/133 Abilities: Illuminate, Natural Cure, Analytic Status ailments: None Stat changes: +20 Accuracy Other: None Britannia? __________________ Fair warning, guys: Gonna be gone from the 3rd to the 5th. ...Also, asb team. Also also, ref profile. Last edited by The Wanderer; Oct 14th, 2012 at 11:36:44 PM. Reason: Light Metal has a clearly misleading description.

Oct 14th, 2012, 11:01:11 PM	#12
Objection Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,078	Low Kick should have 13 BAP against Metagross with Light Metal since its WC is 7 according to the DAT. Anyway, we discussed this part of our strategy earlier and ... __________________ <dogfish44> I got a suprise KFC ^.^ <Glacier> kinky fat chick? ASB profile, ASB pokemon, arena collection, unwritten ASB rulings (collected by Dogfish44), in-game effect order, and new CAP sprites

Oct 20th, 2012, 12:37:27 AM	#13
Its_A_Random Points out the obvious Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6,532 A country full of spiders	After an incredibly long delay... No Switch __________________ [11:42:06] <&@elevator_music> uggh \| [11:42:07] <&@elevator_music> iar \| [11:42:09] <&@elevator_music> because of you \| [11:42:22] <&@elevator_music> a lot of my notes in class are filled with &s

Oct 24th, 2012, 4:39:53 AM	#14
Objection Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,078	Since Dogfish44 has no idea what to do, I guess it's up to me. Rain Dance - Hydro Pump - Surf If he uses a damaging Electric-type move and you have not used Reflect Type this round and you are not taunted, change that action to Reflect Type and push actions back. If he uses Light Screen, change all remaining instances of Surf to Dive. __________________ <dogfish44> I got a suprise KFC ^.^ <Glacier> kinky fat chick? ASB profile, ASB pokemon, arena collection, unwritten ASB rulings (collected by Dogfish44), in-game effect order, and new CAP sprites

Oct 27th, 2012, 9:33:14 PM	#15
Its_A_Random Points out the obvious Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6,532 A country full of spiders	We have enough tricks to stop that, Mindstrike! Encore > Thunderbolt > Leaf Blade IF Encore misses A1, THEN use Teleport (Evade) A2. __________________ [11:42:06] <&@elevator_music> uggh \| [11:42:07] <&@elevator_music> iar \| [11:42:09] <&@elevator_music> because of you \| [11:42:22] <&@elevator_music> a lot of my notes in class are filled with &s

Oct 29th, 2012, 4:41:26 PM	#16
The Wanderer Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,744 Sumshadagrene City	Pre-round Flamestrike (OOA): Mindstrike HP: 100 EN: 78 Stats: 5/3/4/4/69 Abilities: Steadfast, Justified Status ailments: None Stat changes: -10 evasion, -1 Acc (6 actions) Other: Stealth Rock VS. Alchemator (AOO): Stevenson HP: 42 EN: 78 Stats: 2/3/4/3/133 Abilities: Illuminate, Natural Cure, Analytic Status ailments: None Stat changes: +20 Accuracy Other: None Round 3: Swap into Shining We're back, ladies and gents! Alch has swapped back into Stevenson, who gleams brightly and messes with Mindstrike's vision! Hoping the drop in accuracy helps, the Starmie performs a Rain Dance to turn the tables...but unfortunately, it doesn't, and Mindstrike gives Stevenson a hearty Encore, forcing it to keep dancing! Taking advantage of the situation, Flamestrike's Gallade gathers electrical energy within his hands and fires a Thunderbolt, but the glare from Stevenson's core throws him off, and his shot goes wide! Deciding that close combat is the way to go while Stevenson is still dancing, Mindstrike rushes the Starmie and connects a Leafy Blade. Odds are still in favor of the Apples in terms of health, but with Encore wearing off, Alch might be able to turn this around. How will this play out? Find out after the break! Crunch Order: Starmie, Gallade Action 1 Stevenson used Rain Dance! It started to rain! (4 rounds) Mindstrike used Encore! -Hit chance (Hit <= 7500): 4572 = Hit Stevenson was flattered! (2 actions) Numbers: -Gallade: -10 EN -Starmie: -9 EN Action 2 Stevenson used Rain Dance! But it failed! Mindstrike used Thunderbolt! -Hit chance (Hit <= 7500): 7928 = NOPE. Numbers: -Gallade: -7 EN -Starmie: -9 EN Action 3 Stevenson used Rain Dance! But it failed! Mindstrike used Leaf Blade! -Hit chance (Hit <= 7500): 6229 = Hit -Crit chance (Crit <= 1250): 7003 = NOPE. -Damage: (9 + 7.5 - 4.5) * 1.5 = 18 damage Numbers: -Gallade: -7 EN -Starmie: -18 HP, -9 EN Final Numbers: -Gallade: -24 EN -Starmie: -18 HP, -27 EN End Round 3 Flamestrike (OOA): Mindstrike HP: 100 EN: 54 Stats: 5/3/4/4/69 Abilities: Steadfast, Justified Status ailments: None Stat changes: -10 evasion, -1 Acc (3 actions) Other: Stealth Rock VS. Alchemator (AOO): Stevenson HP: 24 EN: 51 Stats: 2/3/4/3/133 Abilities: Illuminate, Natural Cure, Analytic Status ailments: None Stat changes: +20 Accuracy Other: None Field: Rain (3 rounds) Bench Flamestrike: Shockstrike HP: 69 EN: 83 Stats: 1/4/5/3/80 Abilities: Shield Dust, Static, Overcoat Status ailments: None Stat changes: None Other: None VS. Alchemator: Orwell HP: 87 EN: 62 Stats: 5/5/3/4/60 Abilities: Clear Body, Light Metal Status ailments: None Stat changes: -10 Evasion Other: None Apples? __________________ Fair warning, guys: Gonna be gone from the 3rd to the 5th. ...Also, asb team. Also also, ref profile. Last edited by The Wanderer; Nov 2nd, 2012 at 12:42:01 AM.

Oct 29th, 2012, 4:57:50 PM	#17
Objection Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,078	I'm pretty sure Starmie is supposed to use Surf on action 3 since Encore lasts for 2 actions including the action it's used on, meaning Starmie is only affected by it on action 1 and action 2. __________________ <dogfish44> I got a suprise KFC ^.^ <Glacier> kinky fat chick? ASB profile, ASB pokemon, arena collection, unwritten ASB rulings (collected by Dogfish44), in-game effect order, and new CAP sprites

Oct 29th, 2012, 5:02:02 PM	#18
The Wanderer Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,744 Sumshadagrene City	I'm pretty sure that only applies if the one who uses encore goes first, and since Gallade went last... __________________ Fair warning, guys: Gonna be gone from the 3rd to the 5th. ...Also, asb team. Also also, ref profile.

Oct 29th, 2012, 5:17:53 PM	#20
The Wanderer Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,744 Sumshadagrene City	EDIT: Fix'd. __________________ Fair warning, guys: Gonna be gone from the 3rd to the 5th. ...Also, asb team. Also also, ref profile.

Nov 1st, 2012, 6:28:09 AM	#22
Its_A_Random Points out the obvious Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6,532 A country full of spiders	Nah, no re-order, but we really need to get a ruling on this. Naturally supporting Engineer's argument. We might refrain from ordering until this is resolved, though :S On another note, fuck Illuminate, seriously. __________________ [11:42:06] <&@elevator_music> uggh \| [11:42:07] <&@elevator_music> iar \| [11:42:09] <&@elevator_music> because of you \| [11:42:22] <&@elevator_music> a lot of my notes in class are filled with &s

Nov 1st, 2012, 5:56:48 PM	#23
Objection Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,078	OK, we have a ruling. <~Deck_Knight> No, it starts ticking on the next relevant action. So if you're faster it affects that action, if you're slower it starts on the next action. As a result, Starmie remains encored on action 3. Now, the DAT says that moves that fail due to a move like Taunt will fail on their first use and be converted to Struggle on subsequent uses. However, Encore itself does not cause moves to fail. As a result, Starmie should use Rain Dance on action 3, not Struggle - if I had ordered Rain Dance x 3, you wouldn't have changed the last Rain Dance to Struggle now would you. __________________ <dogfish44> I got a suprise KFC ^.^ <Glacier> kinky fat chick? ASB profile, ASB pokemon, arena collection, unwritten ASB rulings (collected by Dogfish44), in-game effect order, and new CAP sprites Last edited by Objection; Nov 1st, 2012 at 9:17:41 PM.

Nov 2nd, 2012, 12:38:54 AM	#24
Its_A_Random Points out the obvious Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6,532 A country full of spiders	I know the thing is not fixed yet, but we better not waste any more time... __________________ [11:42:06] <&@elevator_music> uggh \| [11:42:07] <&@elevator_music> iar \| [11:42:09] <&@elevator_music> because of you \| [11:42:22] <&@elevator_music> a lot of my notes in class are filled with &s

Nov 2nd, 2012, 12:44:42 AM	#25
The Wanderer Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,744 Sumshadagrene City	Alright, thanks for the clarification. Round's fix'd. God-Emperor, why is it always fucking encore... __________________ Fair warning, guys: Gonna be gone from the 3rd to the 5th. ...Also, asb team. Also also, ref profile.