Unstopabble Swag (non weather team)

How The Team Came To Be




Lastly i chose a dragonite just because of its great typing and its ability to sweep. I Used to have a salamence here and even at one point a gyrados which didnt stay long at all. But in the end i found i like Dnite the most. He has the ability to come in on something that cant touch him, ddance outspeed most things that lack a scarf and use an outrage and hit anything including steel types pretty hard. The lum berry is just so effective because i dont take damage from LO and it heals my confusion from my outrage or it can heal anything like a burn or toxic or para that the opponet may use to try and slow it down. I think this is just the icing on the cake for this team as it can easily sweep late game after taking out its counter. Its pretty much my only poke that sets up (other than scizor but i dont really consider that setting up since u-turn just gets rid of its SD and bullet punch is the only other attack) so i feel it can really make an impact for this team.





Thank you for checking out my team and please leave any constructive critisism you may have its all appriciated. And once again, thanks.

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ferrothorn does wat ur celebi does while providing entry hazards and more resistances while stoppin rain teams. try 252hp 88def 168 spdef relaxed with gyro ball leech seed spikes t wave

okay ill try it! thanks for the suggestion

First of all, welcome back :)

I've noticed a few things I think could change to benefit your team, so I'll go through these now.

On Celebi I would recommend changing Energy Ball to Giga Drain. 5BP difference isn't really that big on a defensive Celebi, and the added healing from Giga Drain will be very useful in increasing Celebi's longevity. Putting Giga Drain on Celebi would also allow you flexibility in your fourth move, by that I mean Recover/Leech Seed. While you can have all three, you may find that theres a certain mon thats causing your team a lot of trouble, and so having the flexibility to change around one of the moves to counter that could be quite valuable.

The Heatran set you have there is okay, but I think you need to decide if you want an offensive Heatran, or a support Heatran. Its when we try to combine different sets that the worst sets often emerge. Looking at your team I personally think a support Heatran would be of much greater help, something along the lines of:


Heatran @ Leftovers
Flash Fire
Calm 252 HP / 252 SDEF / 252 SATK
Lava Plume
Stealth Rock
Roar
Will-O-Wisp/Protect/Earth Power/HP-Ice

Now that set is a rough idea, you can easily change around the EVs to suit whatever you want, whether its more speed to outspeed something, or extra SATK to nab certain KOs. You already have a physically defensive mon in Celebi, so a specially defensive Heatran compliments that quite nicely. I'm assuming you played in Gen 4, so you'll already know how well a CeleTran core works. In the current meta, there are a lot more Dugtrios running around, so Heatran's job is getting harder and harder. To counter this you may wish to run Shed Shell, if you notice this as a problem.

Rotom is quite good, although there is one major change I'd like to suggest. The current metagame is a hell of a lot faster than it used to be, so running a Timid nature over Modest might not be such a bad idea. But once again, only change it if you feel that it isn't outspeeding certain things it should be. HP-Ice is useful for grabbing those KOs you mentioned, however you may wish to consider running Thunberbolt instead. The main reason I say that, is that currently Tornadus-T will rip through your team without much trouble at all, and while Voltswitch will do some damage, the more you can do the better. So if you notice you're having troubles with that, change it to Thunderbolt, if not keep it as HP-Ice.

With the Scizor set, it is indeed quite effective, although to maximize the effectiveness of the set it really needs to be able to set up safely. To do this I would recommend changing the EVs around, putting more into your defenses and speed, and less into attack. After an SD the lower attack EVs won't matter, and being able to set up safely is much more useful. Once again with the EVs, change to suit the threats you identify, although a rough idea could be something like:
248 HP / 92 Atk / 124 SpD / 44 Spe
But feel free to change it around. Also Bug Bite could be used over U-Turn, but thats up to you.

With Terrakion the only change I could really suggest is possibly changing Sacred Sword to Quick Attack. Now I know that it might seem underwhelming, but it really can be very helpful on a CB Terrakion. Doubling up on Stab Fighting is also a little redundant, even if Sacred Sword doesn't lower your stats.

Dragonite also looks pretty solid, so theres nothing I would really recommend changing on that.

Those are my thoughts, hope some of them help :)

Summary of changes:

Celebi: Energy Ball > Giga Drain

Heatran: The new specially defensive support set

Rotom: Modest > Timid and potentially HP-Ice > Thunderbolt

Scizor: 252 HP / 252 ATK / > 248 HP / 92 Atk / 124 SpD / 44 Spe and potentially Bug Bite > U-Turn

Terrakion: Sacred Sword > Quick Attack

Alright. This is a pretty standard weatherless balance team with the standard VoltTurn core here, so it's pretty solid as it is. However, there are a few weaknesses that I think should be addressed if your team is to be successful. As you mentioned earlier, Thundurus-T happens to be one of those weaknesses. You also happen to be weak to Offensive Quiver Dance Volcarona. To help address those two threats, I'd recommend the use of Choice Scarf Terrakion over your current CB Terrakion. While CB Terrakion is cool, it simply doesn't help the team as much as a Scarfed one would. With a Choice Scarf, Terrakion can easily revenge kill the two with its STAB Stone Edge. Also, I'd recommend the use of Offensive Starmie over either Celebi or Rotom-W. This gives you a spinner, which will help preserve Dragonite's Multiscale in the long run, and a means of threatening those rain teams that bother you so much. A summarized list of changes can be found below.

Sets:

Terrakion @ Choice Scarf | Justified
Jolly | 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Close Combat | Stone Edge | X-Scissor | Earthquake


Starmie @ Life Orb | Natural Cure
Timid | 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe | 0 Atk
Hydro Pump | Thunder | Rapid Spin | Ice Beam

Nitpicks:

Choice Band ----> Choice Scarf

OR

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I don't have much else to say. Good luck with your team!

Trinitrotoluene said:

Alright. This is a pretty standard weatherless balance team with the standard VoltTurn core here, so it's pretty solid as it is. However, there are a few weaknesses that I think should be addressed if your team is to be successful. As you mentioned earlier, Thundurus-T happens to be one of those weaknesses. You also happen to be weak to Offensive Quiver Dance Volcarona. To help address those two threats, I'd recommend the use of Choice Scarf Terrakion over your current CB Terrakion. While CB Terrakion is cool, it simply doesn't help the team as much as a Scarfed one would. With a Choice Scarf, Terrakion can easily revenge kill the two with its STAB Stone Edge. Also, I'd recommend the use of Offensive Starmie over either Celebi or Rotom-W. This gives you a spinner, which will help preserve Dragonite's Multiscale in the long run, and a means of threatening those rain teams that bother you so much. A summarized list of changes can be found below.

Sets:

Terrakion @ Choice Scarf | Justified
Jolly | 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Close Combat | Stone Edge | X-Scissor | Earthquake

Starmie @ Life Orb | Natural Cure
Timid | 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe | 0 Atk
Hydro Pump | Thunder | Rapid Spin | Ice Beam

Nitpicks:

Choice Band ----> Choice Scarf

OR

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I don't have much else to say. Good luck with your team!

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First of all thank you for these great suggestions, I think the terrakion with scarf could actually work very well for getting me those kills on thundorus. Ill definitly test this out right away. As for the starmie i dont really find the rocks to be that big of a problem even for my dnite, and also i would lose the much needed counter to rotom-w if i switched out celebi and id also lose my ground electric and water resistance. If i take out rotom that might possibly work so ill consider testing that out. I would lose my speed rotom has and the ability to volt switch but i think it could be a viable option. So ill test these out. I really like the idea of scarf terrakion, and once again thanks for the great recommendations!

Edit: actually now thinking about it, i would have the speed id lose in rotom in terrakion if i gave it scarf. So disregard saying id lose my speed if i replaced rotom-w

This is a pretty solid team, but it looks more like it was made for BW1 than BW2. I think there are a few changes you can make to help it run much more efficiently in the current metagame. Right now Volcarona decimates your team, as does Tornadus-T because you choose to run a Choice Scarf Rotom-W. To solve the first problem, the easiest change to make would definitely be replacing the Choice Band on Terrakion and adding a Choice Scarf like Trinitrotoluene suggested. This lets you reliably check Volcarona without having to change your team too much, and it also gives you a much more reliable revenge killer than Rotom-W because you can now revenge kill Choice Scarf Thundurus-T instead of having it sweep your entire team. By the way, use Earthquake instead of Quick Attack now that you have a Choice Scarf.

On Rotom-W, I pretty much always prefer a specially defensive spread of 248 HP / 32 SpA / 228 SpD with a Calm nature and Leftovers and a moveset of Volt Switch, Hydro Pump, Will-O-Wisp, and Pain Split. The reasoning for this is because Rotom-W is easily the best Tornadus-T and rain counter in this metagame, and no other Pokemon can really compare. This gives you a reliable switch-in every time Tornadus-T tries to come in and spam Hurricane. Additionally, you can retain momentum with Volt Switch and your U-turn user Scizor. Also your revenge killing duties are relegated to Terrakion with the above change anyways, so there's no need for two dedicated revenge killers. Crippling Blissey and Chansey doesn't seem like too big of a deal because they're not very common in this metagame, so you don't lose too much with this change.

I would consider running Starmie over Celebi. I don't think Celebi is necessary for this team to function, now that you have a specially defensive Rotom-W especially. Other than Thunder Wave support (which isn't very useful against the most common Celebi switch-ins), it's not really providing anything helpful. I would run a bulky Starmie set with Leftovers and a spread of 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 Spe and a Timid nature with the moveset of Scald, Psyshock, Rapid Spin, and Recover. This is a godsend with VoltTurn and Dragonite and Choice-locked Terrakion on your team, especially against stall. You definitely want to be preserving Starmie as long as possible too, so bulk, Leftovers, and Recover all add up. This would make you a bit weaker to Gastrodon, but you can deal with that adequately through hitting it with physical moves.

Finally, I'd change up your Heatran set to get it better-accustomed to the current metagame that is unfortunately filled with Dugtrio. I definitely think using a Shed Shell over your current Leftovers would make it easier for you to deal with sun teams, and it turns Dugtrio into plain setup fodder, rather than a threat. You can also get Stealth Rock down much more quickly with this change. I'd also run Toxic over Protect so that you can hit Gastrodon or Politoed with status on the switch-in, making them much smaller threats. Good luck, I hope I helped.

Well i decided to change to scarf, i am still testing out starmie. Thanks for al the suggestions guys