The Sun Is Strong In NU

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May I suggest Scarfed Emboar over Magmar? Your team could use another physical attacker to balance it out, also Emboar is simply more powerful then Magmar.

Well Emboar is great suggestion, but then I dont have Magmar to switch into Amoonguss that can either way Spore me.

Also I changed Exeggutor to a Wide Lense set helping my set up sweepers.

Nice Sun team! While normally filling your team with almost all Grass and Fire types tend to lead to big problems, you've really made this work.

Still, opposing Fire and Flying types give your team huge problems. A Scarf/Sub Roost Charizard would be on of the hugest threats to your team, with the ability to simply Air Slash and Fire Blast to its heart's content. Flareon is a huge stop to most of your team, except for Sawsbuck. The ironic part is that opposing Timid/Modest Exeggutor with Substitute (think the Sub Sunny Day set) can threaten your team pretty easily.

Without changing your team too much, I think that Magmar should be using Hidden Power Rock, which helps with opposing Fire and Flying types much better. While Altaria remains a stop to you, usually you can breeze past it with Sawsbuck regardless. If that doesn't satisfy you sufficiently, I'd replace Flash Cannon with Power Gem on Probopass. Not only will it let you hurt Altaria more, but it also lets you break the Sub of SubBU Braviary, who can set up on Probopass otherwise and inflict some massive damage to your team from behind a Sub.

Now, as for Exeggutor, Wide Lens is a bit pointless since it only helps Sleep Power. Sure, that is a great move, but it only works while Sleep Clause is inactive. Personally, I prefer the Substitute over Sleep Powder on Exeggutor myself. You may lose the ability to put a counter to sleep, but you gain Substitute, which helps out a lot when dealing with dangerous threats like Gardevoir and DITTO! It also lets you have a buffer from attacks, which helps when dealing with the increasingly popular Rain teams (plus you can use Sleep Powder on Victreebel instead).

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Now, normally I would say that you would be better of removing Magmar for a more powerful sweeper/effective Sun setter. After all, Amoonguss doesn't like switching in on 2/3 of your team anyways. (If you really hate SLeep, just remember that Sawsbuck can also use Sap Sipper just as effectively on a Sun team). I'll hold off on that for now because I believe you need the Speed outside of Sun in order to maintain offensive pressure, but let's see what the other raters think. Good luck and I hope I helped!

Bear with me as I won't be giving a very in depth rate, since don't play sun very much.

You should probably use Heat Rock over Wide Lens on Exeggutor because you usaully won't be using Sleep Powder more than a few times in a match. From my experience with weather teams, having three Heat Rock users is very useful, especially when two of them are sweepers that will be likely staying in for a long time.

Probopass should be using a Specially Defensive Spread since your main goal is to last as long as possible to set up Stealth Rocks and Sunny Day. This team doesn't need the extra power those Special Attack EVs bring.

Woah. Is that Charizard without Rapid Spin support? No. I also notice that your team has very similar typing, which can hurt in the long run. I suggest you go Supportive Armaldo > Sawsbuck/Victreebel. Armaldo can clear entry hazards from the field, which would threaten your team. Also, Armaldo can learn Sunny Day.

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Woah. Is that Charizard without Rapid Spin support? No. I also notice that your team has very similar typing, which can hurt in the long run. I suggest you go Supportive Armaldo > Sawsbuck/Victreebel. Armaldo can clear entry hazards from the field, which would threaten your team. Also, Armaldo can learn Sunny Day.

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Armaldo @ Heat Rock
Ability: Battle Armor
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Nature: Impish
- Rapid Spin
- Sunny Day
- Rock Blast
- Knock Off

Rapid Spin and Sunny Day are the big selling points here. Rock Blast can break through things that try to set up on Armaldo through a substitute, making it a more preferred option than Rock Slide. Finally, Knock Off can knock off the common Leftovers and Eviolite, helping cripple the opponent. Basically, Armaldo is pure support.

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I have Exeggutor to take care off SR setters with Sleep Powder, and rocks really arent that big off a problem as Charizard can Roost up most off the time, and its fast enough to pull a Sunny day off before it dies. This team i very offensive and it will break the momentum off my team if I use armaldo, sure its a great suggestion but its just to defensive.

I have to agree with BROStime, Armaldo doesn't really bring much to the table except a sudden weakness to Rain teams. Rapid Spin wastes precious Sun turns, and you can't afford to let up on your opponent when you are using a Sun team, since the members are not the bulkiest in the tier, and you already waste turns setting up Rocks and Sunny Days of your own. At best, SD Armaldo would be the better choice.

So ive been looking at the rate FLCL, The Archangle and WhiteDMist gave, Sap Sipper Sawsbuck was a great suggestion and it works wonders with Baton Pass, also the Specially defensive spread on Probopass is really great letting him set up Sunny DAy much easier. This did of course open some doors for me, like swapping Magmar for Emboar that can get a Baton Pass from Sawsbuck and wreck havoc like nothing else, also Amoonguss Spore are still walled nicely also letting me take advantage off it. Also changed Exeggutor to a Heat Rock set that FLCL suggested letting the team having constant Sun offense against the defending team.

hey there,

this is a rather solid sun team. like any weather team, most of the stuff that plagues you will be most effective when they catch you without sun up (which can actually be quite a lot). you're incredibly weak to rotom-s especially if probo is removed early / SR is prevented from going up; it outspeeds every single one of your pokemon bar victreebel regardless of sun, and it outruns victreebel outside of sun as well. i wouldn't really say that probopass is a good counter for it either especially considering rotom-s can volt switch out of it and send in something else that puts pressure on probo. a simple combination of rotom-s + cb sawk or another hard hitter shreds through your team, as you have nothing that can actually switch into something like cb sawk (it 2hkoes all of your resists). in a similar manner, +2 gorebyss absolutely runs over your team if you give it the opportunity to set up, aka locking yourself into any move other than wild charge with emboar since it lives every other hit and can boost up.

i'd like to suggest a specially defensive volbeat > probopass. imo, it's actually more reliable than probopass at setting up sun thanks to its priority sunny day, and it also acts as a failsafe for stuff like rotom-s and a boosted gorebyss with priority thunder wave. you don't lose your "slow volt switch" into your sweepers either, since volbeat can also utilize a slow u-turn to bring stuff in if needed. encore can also give your team a potential set-up opportunity with victreebel or something and seal you a game. you do lose natural bulk and sr with the exchange, but i don't think either is incredibly necessary for a sun team while the ability to set up sun or paralyze something in a pinch is really very useful. also, bumping exeggutor's nature to timid allows it to outspeed all gorebyss (at +0 and at +2 in sun) and rotom-s. the power difference doesn't net you any specific KOes iirc, so you really don't lose much by switching from modest to timid.


hope i helped a little bit and gl with your team in the future

Thank you Zeb ! That is really a great suggestion and ill sure try it out :D