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Jan 2nd, 2013, 3:08:54 PM
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Ubers Stats - December 2012
Rated Ubers
Three Months Statistics
Lead Usage - Ubers
Metagame Analysis - Ubers
Ubers OU: Arceus, Arceus-Ghost, Arceus-Steel, Blaziken, Blissey, Chansey, Darkrai, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Speed, Dialga, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Forretress, Garchomp, Genesect, Giratina, Giratina-Origin, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kabutops, Kyogre, Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Manaphy, Mewtwo, Palkia, Rayquaza, Reshiram, Shaymin-Sky, Terrakion, Thundurus, Tyranitar, Zekrom  Moveset Analysis - UbersNovember StatsOur last statistics for 2012. Massive thanks to Antar for getting those!
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About freaking time Genesect got the usage it deserved! I also see that Giratina-O usage seems to be back to normal.. otherwise, from skimming this over, the fluctuations looks pretty normal for Ubers stats. I'm sure someone is going to point out SOMETHING weird I missed though!
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 4:37:10 PM
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| 18 | Blaziken | 10326 | 12.467% | 7970 | 12.000% |
This is an anomaly. Notice that Arceus has no checks or counters. Phazing is not counted as countering. You must switch into it and KO it. This is why Giratina is missing as a counter to many of the pokemon in the list. I am surprised to see that Terrakion's only counter is Groudon. The rise in Kingdra usage is probably because of my team which I have given out to many users on the ladder. Last edited by Anikrahman1995; Jan 26th, 2013 at 5:19:29 PM. Reason: Spelling error. |
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 4:50:35 PM
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| 13 | Genesect | 12160 | 14.681% | 10467 | 15.760% |
Far higher than expected. Maybe OU's test raised people's desire to use it? | 15 | Arceus-Ghost | 10883 | 13.140% | 8477 | 12.763% | | 16 | Giratina | 10793 | 13.031% | 8476 | 12.762% | | 17 | Giratina-Origin | 10570 | 12.762% | 8368 | 12.599% | Those 3 are really neck-and-neck. | 87 | Politoed | 694 | 0.838% | 636 | 0.958% | | 105 | Ninetales | 423 | 0.511% | 385 | 0.580% | ...why? Why use these? I realize this comes up every month, but...please stop. | 93 | Drifblim | 576 | 0.695% | 443 | 0.667% | The only minimize-passer and it's still barely in the top 100. Yeah, I have no worries about Evasion being broken anytime soon. |
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| 15 | Arceus-Ghost | 10883 | 13.140% | 8477 | 12.763% |
| 16 | Giratina | 10793 | 13.031% | 8476 | 12.762% | | 17 | Giratina-Origin | 10570 | 12.762% | 8368 | 12.599% | The war of the spinblockers goes on... Even though Giratina-O is the least used it has made a nice jump: 22 | Giratina-Origin | 6768 | 9.379% | 5371 | 9.333% | From last month. Giratina has dropped slightly and Arceus-Ghost stayed pretty much the same. Not surprising. Giratina-O is very a comfortable poke to use and can act as a check to e-killer by taking a boosted shadow claw and phazing. Very good for more balanced teams indeed. Note that only 19 % run jolly nature on Blaziken. It just shows that many people don't know what they are doing since adamant does not have any merit whatsoever compared to revenging Darkrai and Mewtwo. | 26 | Latios | 5922 | 7.150% | 4687 | 7.057% | As a stall/balanced player, I have been shown something very important the past couple of days. Soul dew Latios has singel handedly the biggest impact BW2 on stall IMO. The all out-attacker set is very, very hard to counter without losing a poke. It should get more usage because it rips open old stall cores, especially on sand and sun. Ttar+Ferro+Giratina on sand is demolished with little prediction. Latios can spam Grass Knot until Ttar switches in, then KO Giratina and Ferrothorn with its STAB or HP fire. If anyone of the other two members show up, they will be dispatched. Ho-oh+Groudon+Forretress is in a worse boat. Psyshock beats Ho-oh after Stealth Rocks (or on the switch) while GK and HP fire beats the rest of the core. For offensive players, I'd recommend you to use it. |
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 9:58:16 PM
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Ah yes, even more stats to speak on!
| 1 | Kyogre | 34809 | 42.027% | 29562 | 44.510% | | 2 | Arceus | 26452 | 31.937% | 20346 | 30.634% | | 3 | Groudon | 22874 | 27.617% | 19871 | 29.919% | | 4 | Mewtwo | 20312 | 24.524% | 15323 | 23.071% | Nothin' too surprisin' here | 10 | Ferrothorn | 13693 | 16.532% | 11791 | 17.753% | | 11 | Forretress | 13604 | 16.425% | 11559 | 17.404% | The fight between the two hard walls goes on and on | 13 | Genesect | 12160 | 14.681% | 10467 | 15.760% | Goooooood Now just to wait for that analysis to come in. 'Sect is great in Ubers. | 15 | Arceus-Ghost | 10883 | 13.140% | 8477 | 12.763% | | 16 | Giratina | 10793 | 13.031% | 8476 | 12.762% | | 17 | Giratina-Origin | 10570 | 12.762% | 8368 | 12.599% | Like the war between Ferro and Forry, these three live in a never ending war: The Spinblocker War | 23 | Latias | 7239 | 8.740% | 5644 | 8.498% | Fuck yeah, go Latias. | 32 | Chansey | 3017 | 3.643% | 2500 | 3.764% | At last. You have surpassed Blissey, lol. | 50 | Omastar | 1622 | 1.958% | 1084 | 1.632% | Omastar is awesome, guys. After a Shell Smash boost in rain, his speed cannot be matched, not even by Deoxys-S. He also is very powerful and 2HKO's Ferrothorn with Shell Smash boosted Hydro Pump in rain. It's amazing in Ubers. Well deserved. | 58 | Dragonite | 1366 | 1.649% | 1148 | 1.728% | People are finally beginning to realize this thing is not good in Ubers. | 70 | Gengar | 923 | 1.114% | 767 | 1.155% | It is fucking terrible in Ubers. Stop. | 77 | Charizard | 852 | 1.029% | 728 | 1.096% | FREE LADDER POINTS! | 98 | Deoxys | 517 | 0.624% | 432 | 0.650% | It's the most useless Uber. Seriously. | 131 | Bisharp | 267 | 0.322% | 218 | 0.328% | The Dark Knight Needs Way More Love. He's an awesome sweeper in Ubers.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 10:13:42 PM
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 10:35:04 PM
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| 2 | Arceus | 26452 | 31.937% | 20346 | 30.634% |
| 15 | Arceus-Ghost | 10883 | 13.140% | 8477 | 12.763% | | 33 | Arceus-Steel | 2979 | 3.597% | 2387 | 3.594% | | 41 | Arceus-Grass | 2139 | 2.583% | 1709 | 2.573% | | 52 | Arceus-Rock | 1509 | 1.822% | 1128 | 1.698% | | 55 | Arceus-Water | 1387 | 1.675% | 1142 | 1.719% | | 57 | Arceus-Dark | 1373 | 1.658% | 1088 | 1.638% | | 64 | Arceus-Electric | 1099 | 1.327% | 814 | 1.226% | | 66 | Arceus-Fighting | 991 | 1.196% | 751 | 1.131% | Fightceus needs more love guys! :) Between Blaziken, Terrakion, and Arceus-Fighting, Fightceus is arguably the most consistant at smashing holes in the opponents team. The other two are WAY too frail. Also, how he loses to Arceus-Dark is unfathomable. The thing has basically no offensive pressure and stallbreaking isn't nearly as important as it was before. Arceus-Grass should've dropped dramatically with Soul Dew Lati@s released and Arceus-Fighting, IMO, is overated, as Ferrothorn and Forretress do its job much better. Arceus-Water... idk... i usually just kill it with Palkia/Zekrom idgaf really. Pleasantly suprised to see Genesect sitting at #13 and GO! GO! GO! Gira-O YOU CAN DO IT!!! Honestly, why people use defensive OU pokes in Ubers like Gliscor and Deoxys-D confounds me, as both are ridiculously outclassed. |
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 10:58:27 PM
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| 43 | Kingdra | 2048 | 2.473% | 1469 | 2.212% |
| 92 | Heracross | 582 | 0.703% | 473 | 0.712% | | 142 | Rhyperior | 241 | 0.291% | 193 | 0.291% | | 148 | Raikou | 218 | 0.263% | 179 | 0.270% | | 161 | Ambipom | 169 | 0.204% | 151 | 0.227% | | 173 | Honchkrow | 148 | 0.179% | 121 | 0.182% | I credit myself for about 30 uses of each of these Pokemon btw. I can proudly say that my team had a winning record and got to around 1600+! Rhyperior is also pretty much the best Ho-oh counter in the game. I just got really, really bored tbh On a more serious note, I can't say I know anything about Genesect's role in Ubers and what makes it good (this team is obviously pretty illy prepared for Genesect but I don't seem to struggle with it very much), but it seems a little bit high at #13. Also, my god I hate battling Lugia - whether I prepare for it heavily or not, I always struggle against it a lot. Its really difficult to breaks its Substitutes if Multiscale is up, and its still hard to do that even if Lugia isn't at full health. #8 is probably a huge understatement for that thing, especially if you can get Toxic Spikes up since Poison-types are pretty rare in Ubers and Lugia is very fast for such a bulky Pokemon. Personally, I find Forretress to be a big piece of set up fodder for everything, but I don't know much about Ubers and I guess it is really the only defensive spinner out there, so idk if #11 is right for it.
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Jan 3rd, 2013, 12:49:09 AM
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Genesect is terrible in ubers. It usually runs the choice scarf set and many common walls in ubers completely wall it ( dialga, ferrothorn in the rain etc.)
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Jan 3rd, 2013, 5:59:42 AM
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If anything, Genesect can take Scizor's place in Gen 5 ubers because Scizor is freaking terrible now with its low speed and almost useless Bullet Punch in a tier full of fire (Ho-oh, Reshiram, Blaziken), water (Kyogre, Palkia), electric (Zekrom, Thundurus) and steel (Dialga, Jirachi, Ferrothorn, Forretress, Arceus-Steel, Genesect) types.
The only thing Scizor was notable for was being able to revenge kill the Kyurem formes with Bullet Punch, but scarf Genesect accomplishes the same with Iron Head and since it has 99 base speed it doesn't need priority to do it. It's Scizor who has no business in the uber tier now. Its terrible speed doesn't cut it. Speaking of Genesect, rain teams have started to carry Magnezone to check it. It can come in against any move besides Flamethrower (and rain discourages Genesect from using it) and if it's locked into Ice Beam, Thunder or Iron Head it's dead Gene. |
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Also on a sidenote, maybe its just me, but few things satisfy me more than trapping a Genesect with Wobbuffet lol.
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Jan 3rd, 2013, 6:58:27 PM
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Surprised to see Latios only 3 behind Latias, it seems kinda outclassed by its sister to be honest. But I haven't used Latios in ubers at all, so I'm probably wrong. Anyone found an interesting niche for it?
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Latios (M) @ Soul Dew Trait: Levitate EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP Timid Nature - Draco Meteor - Psyshock - Grass Knot - Hidden Power [Fire] Swat Kyogre, Groudon, Tyranitar, all slower dragons, Ho-oh after SR. Genesect is a check that can only switch in once. On a resisted move. About Latias being a better Kyogre check, I can agree, but Latios is very good on offensive teams who don't exactly need a "perfect" Kyogre counter. |
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Jan 4th, 2013, 5:02:42 AM
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Rhyperior always beats Ho-oh with Rock Blast, regardless of burn or substitute.
The best Ho-oh can do in return is a non-STAB Earthquake that won't do much damage thanks to Rhyperior's massive physical bulk and Solid Rock. That alone isn't enough justify its use in ubers, though. |
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Jan 4th, 2013, 5:28:22 AM
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actually when burned and assuming ho-oh is faster with roost ho-oh will beat rhyperior lol.
the best counter is resttalk aerodactyl ^_^
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Also with the spread I was using... 252 Atk Ho-oh (+Atk) Earthquake vs 200 HP/56 Def Rhyperior: 32.3% - 38.48% (3-4 hits to KO) 252 Atk Rhyperior (+Atk) Rock Blast vs 252 HP/0 Def Ho-oh: 50.48% - 60.58% (2 hits to KO) Kinda a dumb EV spread for Ho-oh I know but its just a demonstration. It may not beat it if it is burned and spamming roost but it otherwise beats it well.
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As for the Baton Passing, there's also Smeargle. It's better off SmashPassing, but some people still used it for evasion boosts. |
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Jan 4th, 2013, 9:37:17 PM
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It's great that Genesect is finally in its belonged tier ^_^ It makes sense for it to be in Ubers, 9/10 OU matches I've been in had Genesect, everytime.
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Who thinks other for Mewtwo's items includes Choice Band? It DOES have base 110 Attack, but that's low for Ubers and is basically outclassed by stuff like CB Groudon. It doesn't even get Superpower, although Low Kick hits basically everything the former would hit anyway. You never know, CB Mewtwo could be the next big thing. (And no, this is not a troll post. CB Mewtwo is perfectly possible. Outclassed, but possible.)
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I hate to be a killjoy, but CB Mewtwo isn't viable. It has an absolutely horrid physical movepool (Psycho Cut, Low Kick, Stone Edge...? Giga Impact? Earthquake? Poison Jab?) and it just doesn't hit hard enough to merit its use. With Roost in effect, Stone Edge doesn't always even break Great Wall Lugia's Substitute. Plus, it's completely outclassed.
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That being said, these stats surprise me. People haven't caught on to how shitty Forry is yet, and good to see Arc is the top spinblocker. Bisharp is much too low, and Fightceus is WAYYYY too low.
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