The Art of Horse Breeding (Joint with trickroom, 2 RMTs in one!!)

trickroom said:

I use a different Dino Horse set than shrang's bulky slow horse, I prefer using the mighty yet underrated Horse, Expert Belt Groudon! The good thing about Expert belt is you get to wear down Giratina-O pretty fast with Dragon Claw and dropping Fire Blast isn't too much when every horse can beat Forretress except maybe Trojan Horse. Stone Edge when boosted by the master belt, gains an OHKO on full health Rayquaza regardless of prior damage, and it 2HKOes Lugia after Stealth Rock damage. If you go with Expert belt, an EV spread of 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe helps to outrun everything up to Kabutops and beats out slow Lugia. Next, max HP Dialga is OHKOed, something Support Groudon cannot do. However, making this change does have drawbacks, as Groudon will no longer be really bulk and fails to check SD Arceus.
----
I tried Giga Drain Virizion as an alternative, but it was really weak but the health gained from the attack is sometimes pretty useful such as against Kyogre. Giga Drain also hits Manaphy harder but most Ubers are top heavy for Grass Knot is the best option. The truth is, Virizion is of a horse of Justice, she is too pure to DRAIN the energy from puny weaklings, and as such as prefers to fight like a warhorse, Calm Minding alongside titans and KO them first with an easy Grass Knot trip or blast them away when facing green dinosaurs.
---
I sometimes prefer using the standard ExtremeHorse over Mother Ghost when I need a revenge killer to beat those damn psycho cats and Darkrais flying around the tier. Overall, Mother Horse has more utility in hr Ghost form so weak Lugias and Giratinas have no hope of walling the rage of horses.
----
Scarf Terrakion is a great set to use, but I do like Double Booster Terrakion in this team.​

Terrakion @ Life Orb ***Trojan Horse***
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Rock Polish
- Swords Dance​

Hate that Timid Lugia? Use Rock Polish! Annoyed by bulky whales? Enjoy a Swords Danced Close Combat. Double booster Terrakion has way more power than Scarf but he does have drawbacks and now fails to outrun fast Arceus forms sadly. Thanks to the Life of Horses Orb, Terrakion gets to OHKOed standard bulky Extremekiller and Palkia after Stealth Rock damage. Stone Edge is still used the same way but now it can smash through even Giratina-O at +2 with Stealth Rock support from Dino Horse, or the snake ate a Dragon Claw from Dino Horse beforehand. Rock Polish lets Trojan Horse sweep like one of the best horses ever and thanks to his Rocky built, he can take on ExtremeSpeeds fairly easily and Fighting + Stone have near perfect coverage.​

Click to expand...

trickroom said:

Here is the rain based version of the mighty knights ready to smash down the puny Ubers metagame.

Click to expand...

trickroom said:

Santa Horse is Coming to Uberland!

Santa Horse (Cobalion) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Close Combat
- Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance​

Coballion, the head of the musketeer trio, previously he is not well known in Ubers, but now...he is ready to RAMPAGE! Don't think wrongly and just assume this is some Santa Claus horsy, Coballion fights like a true man, a big horse and even eats like one. Not long ago, when land animals fought with birds, Coballion was the leader, he bravely brought up nasty Stealthy Rocks to harm the birds, but sadly he got roasted alive by the Bird King. Today, he only comes out on Christmas eve, the time when Ho-Oh goes into his slumbering state.​

Stealth Rock is as mentioned earlier, crucial to win in any battle, especially against birds. You might think only dinosaurs smash their heads right? Nope, Coballion has an IRON head, a powerful one indeed, if you hate standard Jirachi's flimsy headbutt, then you will not enjoy this hefty horse's boosted headbutts. That's not all, you have 30% of having a heart attack and not moving at all when rammed, so you better not under speed this horse. Close Combat is because this horse is a ferocious combatant, he fights without fear even against monstrous dinosaurs such as Tyranitar, although trying to take out Dino Horse Groudon can be a bit too ridiculous. Iron Head helps wear down Giratina-O, a devilish bird who can take down entire land animals, and has good neutral coverage in general.

Unique to its kind, Coballion is a master of Swords, he can even dance his Sword in just one turn and double up his shabby Attack stat to over Groudon's level. If you dare stab Coballion in the back, he can immediately sense your dark deeds and gets even stronger! Coballion is really unique, that typing grants it useful resistances to Ice- and Dragon-types, although he is a bit allergic to opposing Close Combats due to his real heart: he is actually a coward inside.​

+2 Iron Heads and Close Combats might not OHKO much, but it has a decent chance to break past offensive teams, because Coballion is surprisingly fast, but all horses are fast anyway, if you are slow, you are no horse! Even Palkia the space ruler and Rapidash the race horse failed to outrun Coballion in a race. Thanks to the resistance to ExtremeSpeed, this horse can act as a last minute Extremekiller check, although Close Combat will not OHKO sadly.​

Lum Berry is because this horse is no joke, he doesn't like Darkrai trying to Sleep him, he wants to getup that rocks as soon as possible.​

Horse from Mount Olympus
Zebra (Zebstrika) @ Life Orb
Trait: Lightningrod
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Thunder
- Overheat
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Charge Beam​

Remember those wild asses running in Asia? African Zebras are way COOLER. This isn't any ordinary Zebra, he came all the way the Cloud Castle, where he managed to learn quite a few zapping skills such as Thunderbolt! However, those Zebras are for pussies, Zebras who go to war, use Thunders for their main attack, as such you can call them THUNDERBRAs.​

Thunder is the main attack, and is pretty easy to see why: They are Thunderbras of course you need Thunder. Their whole body is electric, and its white with black stripes because he was originally a white ass until he got burnt by Zapdos's Thunder in the war between birds and horses. As such, Zebstrika never forgets that event, he got so angry, he frequently Overheats, temperature so high, it can even melt Ferrothorn in the rain as long as he has Charged his Beam. Funnily, Overheat is his most powerful move in the sun but he has to retreat after use. Charge Beam helps boost Zebra's pathetic base Special Attack to more respectable levels and helps somewhat in a mini sweep thanks to this Zebra's SPEED, if you don't know, it outruns even superstar Starmie.​

As with most horses, Zebstrika n is born with hidden talents, Hidden Power Ice squashes Rayquaza after rocks and it is Zebra's best option against stupid Giratinas and the Lati birds. Lightning Rod since like a shitty ability at first but now, it boosts Special Attack by one stage, giving mr.Zebra a chance to snatch a free boost and forcing the opponent out, especially if they are choiced.​

Despite his Timid nature, Zebra is not easy to tame and he fires off Thunders without warning, usually crippling something on the way due to that sexy paralysis rate.​

Gay Horse
Unicorn (Virizion) @ Life Orb
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance
- X-Scissor​

Now we have seen Zebras and Reindeers, now we have a hybrid between some sort of mutant horse and a unicorn. Virizion is a girl, unlike most warhorses, she is one of a horse, and fights like a true wonder-horse.

Don't even try to bully her with dirty attacks such as Pursuit or you will regret it since she has Justified.​

Leaf Blade is because she lives in the forest and loves to cut leaves for practice, apparently it slashes through fat Whales like knife through fat. Leaf Blades also slashes dinosaurs for major damage, even Groudon hates it. Close Combat is standard on most horses, and even as a mare, Virizion has all the tools to combat opponents up close.​

Just like fellow horse Coballion, Virizion can dance with her Swords, patching up that low Attack stat to amazing levels. X-Scissor is pretty much filler but it helps to smack potential Lati switch ins, and this is helped even further when most Latias now run just enough for sharky Garchomp.​

As for bulk, Virizion is one of the few horses who can actually tank a hit from Kyogre the fat whale. Unlike shrang's Virizion, this one has no fat, she hits them hard and fast, and sadly dies fast as well. As a bonus, she is immune to Leech Seed, allowing her to blow past Ferrothorn with her Fighting moves.​

Mother of all Horses!
Mother Horse (Arceus) @ Silk Scarf
Trait: Multitype
Happiness: 1
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- ExtremeSpeed
- Shadow Claw
- Frustration​

Just like what the name says, this is really the mother of all horses. Every single horse originates from Arceus, and it was he who shaped the metagame with his horse powers.​

Ugh, sadly Arceus isn't a happy horse at all, at a pathetic 1 happiness, he loves to use Frustration and cause insane damage to everything, if you don't know, Frustration can OHKO max HP Kyogre at +2 without any prior damage. Silk Scarf boosts his power further and he has ExtremeSpeed, nothing can match his Speed when it comes to that.​

Like your standard Ekiller, Arceus sweeps mid to late game and is the bulkiest horse around. He sets up on Scarfmon such as Palkia stuck on Thunder, choiced Kyogre on Ice Beam and even things like Scarf Terrakion's Stone Edge. Swords Dance is just plain simple, use it and sweep the opponent, Shadow Claw is just for Giratina and Ghost Arceus, it is pretty useless otherwise as even ExtremeSpeed does more damage to Lugia. Thanks to the Frustration Arceus has, even Support Groudon doesn't like coming in too often and it will 2HKOed easily. He's king, and of course he's an Adamant nature, one who never listens to others because he rules the horse army. If you are more interested in the devil form of Arceus, look no further than shrang's sun horses!​

And oh, you can't hold your horses when using Arceus, he goes on a rampage almost nothing can stop him. Well, those flying birds are damn annoying, especially when they are made of solid Steel, this is why Zebras are amazing because they fry Steel birds.​

Half Fish, Half Dragon=Horse of the Sea
Sea Horse (Kingdra) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Surf
- Dragon Pulse
- Draco Meteor​

What is his fish doing here in this team, right? Nope, Kingdra might look like a fish but he is infact a horse!​

Sea horses a still horses, not fishes dude. If you still think it is a fish, why does the name of the creature has a HORSE in it. I mean even its pre-evolution is named HORSEa, so scientifically it is a horse who lives in the sea.​

Hydro Pump because Kingdra loves pumping up Water from his snout well not Octozooka because that is too weak and never hits. Pump has 120 base power and when combined with rain, it has insane power. Surf is used when Kingdra tries not to miss, because those overpowered pumps will miss 1 out of 5 chances, which is just horseshit when it misses at a critical turn if you ask me.​

Kingdra has the Pulse of a Dragon, and it smacks his fellow Dragons with super effective power! OHKOing even Palkia and Rayquaza, both monstrously powerful Dragons because this Horse is holding a Spectacles, pushing that power even higher. Well, Kingdra is weak without his item, Specs and the power of rain just completely changed that. Being locked into one move isn't so bad when all you need to do is spam Hydro and even badass Ferrothorn is 3HKOed, but those nutcases are better dealt with by fellow horses Virizion or Coballion.​

Sometimes Dragon Pulse just isn't cool enough, you need something stronger, and this is when you use DRACO meteor. While not as powerful as the birds, Kingdra's Draco Meteor is still strong enough to OHKO most dragons including max HP Giratina, a very impressive feat as no other horses can do that.​

Water Horse (Kyogre) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Water Spout
- Surf
- Thunder​

At last, this is the coolest, biggest horse ever, except for Dino Horse possibly. Welcome KYOGRE, the king of whalesHORSES. This time he is wearing his Scarf to mop up dangerous sweepers such as that psychotic cat called Mewtwo and Darkrai who tries to spread bad dreams.

One might think this ain't horse, its an Orca Whale. Ever heard of a Water Horse? Yeah you saw that in movies, those one of a kind creatures? Yes, this Kyogre is a unique horse and he is related to that Loch Ness Horse you know, no other horse can match his power and fat!​

Water Spout is the best spamming move around and don't be fooled by his Modest nature, Kyogre is a powerful horse, capable of KOing even bulky bird Lugia in 2 hits. Ice Beam is for freezing those damn birds such as Latios and Shaymin-S. Kyogre can't Pump out water like Kingdra, he needs to Surf to hit accurately. Oh yeah, this horse is weird, he is a water horse but he can use THUNDER, even stronger than Thunderbra's one due to that sexy Special Attack stat. And Thunders are for zapping opposing water horses and smacking Palkia hard on the switch, sometimes that paralysis helps. He was originally holding a Water Gem, but shrang wasted it by hitting a Ludicolo, so now he is using his Scarf instead.​

Last time, Kyogre had a Calm Mind but now, he has no more time to waste and just fire off tsunamis everywhere, although horses can swim, you don't want to get drown by this huge horse!

shrang edit: Apparently, I found out that whales are related evolutionarily to the hippo after diverging about 60 million years ago. Since Hippos are hoofed mammals, also known as "River Horses", this further solidifies Kyogre's status as a horse. Here's a nice diagram: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/images/evograms/whale_evo.jpg​

Click to expand...

This is one of the best RMTs I have seen, comparable to birds IMO ( Although I wrote some of those lol, shrang was the original creator ). Not only does this RMT reflects the current state of the Ubers ladder, but we picked the best horses out of the best.

It shows the power of Zebstrika, an underrated threat who not only outgallops Garchomp but Latios as well. The main niche of Zebra is to switch in on Thunders, pretty common because that is the only way for most things to KO Kyogre. I really like obscure threats and horses aren't even weak to Ferrothorn lol, because Virizion from both set of horses stomps it.

Great team, and I am rating shrang's team not mine. I just know horses seem a bit weak to Spikes but sadly there are no Spike Horses :[ Thankfully most of the horses cannot be setup on by those Spikes users.

For anyone wondering, Kyogre is a horse, and as shown in the picture shrang posted, it is confirmed 100% horse. Groudon is a Dino Horse, a huge horse indeed. The reason for Swords Dance on Coballion is to actually threaten stall teams, setting up on Forretress, Chansey and things like Rock Arceus is always fun. Even Forretress is easily 2HKOed by boosted Close Combats and it gives me a chance to get past Giratina-O easier, especially if I flinch them.

Frustration is the strongest move available on Arceus, since it does not get Double Edge which is funny. I just didn't like CB Arceus that much, because you have to Trick away your item first before attempting a sweep. That's the reason why I used the SD set, and Dragon Claw does not hit Ghost Arceus hard, you should consider using Shadow Claw over it, although Giratina and Dialga takes more damage from Dragon Claw which is nice I guess but I prefer using Shadow Claw more since Ghost Arceus is really hard to break, and you have Kingdra for Giratina, Virizion and Coballion should beat Dialga anyway.

One thing I would like to say is we tried Keldeo before, and he wasn't that good. Removed for Virizion who can take on Kyogre better. I like Giga Drain on Calm Mind Virizion more, because it helps to recover a bit of health while sapping those Groudons or Kyogre, sadly its weak but Giga Drain saved me in some matches.

DISCLAIMER: this rate will probably be short and all

rating sun variant:

timid tailwind reshiram outspeeds and OHKOs everyone except terrakion. timid is possible in case he cant set up tailwind for other battles
and the rare and situational (and rather shit) ninjask baton passing to specs reshiram, which heavily threatens to OHKO your entire team. your best shot:

252SpAtk Choice Specs Turboblaze Reshiram (+SAtk) Blue Flare in Sun vs 4HP/0SpDef Terrakion (Neutral): 98% - 115% (318 - 375 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 89% chance to OHKO.

turboblaze ignores flash fire, and ninjask can just stall out stone edge between sub and protect, since prediction goes both ways. (essentially u lack a reshiram switch in) reshiram can also come in on rapidash not using drill run, terrakion using x-scissor, and virizion I guess.
so I'm suggesting waterceus or SDef ogre > ghostceus. SDef kyogre seems to fit better as it can absorb status from lugia and giratina, while lugia can survive ghostceus' judgement at full hp and status. they also lessen your kyogre weakness.

Just a brief breakdown of the rain version of this team...I have some pedantic notes:

1. Make sure Kingdra and Kyogre have their attack IV's set to 0 to protect them from swagger mons (they are rare, but unfortunately exist).

2. I feel Kingdra needs Ice Beam. I nixed dragon pulse for it, to deal with Arceus-Grass and some other mons. I strongly agree with the decision to run both Surf and Hydro Pump though. Missing Hydro Pump on stuff like Darkrai and Mewtwo really sucks.

3. I understand this is a horses team, but man Zebstrika has been disappointing so far. It's lack of power bites and it is set-up bait for Calm Mind Arceus if it cannot get lucky with paralysis.

4. Set your Arceus to 20 EV's. A lot of stronger players run the 16 speed spread and speed creeping them is awesome.

Love the team, and Cobalion is one of the most pleasant surprises on it. It can take hits well and hit exceptionally hard after a Swords Dance. I may use it on one of my own teams down the line. Will Luvdisc this.

Dialga is a horse where is he

srsly

listen to his cry

and look at his melee attack animation on pbr...

The Kyogre is beautiful

TR's part 11/10