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Typing: Dark/Groundmoi said:Name: Stop the Secondary
Description: A Pokémon that through means of ability, moves, and typing, can stop a variety of the non damaging affect of moves and moves of non damaging origin.
Justification: While the immediate threat of damaging moves is large and present, the affect of moves such as status, Trick, Leech Seed, Taunt, Stealth Rock, Spikes have arguably had a greater affect to the metagame than anything has ever had, something that this would greatly look in to.
Questions to be Answered:
~ How easily would a Pokémon with such large of a niche be able to fit into a competitive team?
~ How large of an impact would the reducation of non damaging affects and moves have on the metagame?- What, if any, would happen to the types of teams being used?~ How much of an affect does typing have on the ability for ANY Pokémon to perform this duty?
- How would this affect the usage of these types of moves?
Choose which spread you like the most. Here's an overview of each spread.
Deck Knight said:Final Submission
133/122/72/71/72/95
PSweep: 177, Rank 6: Amazing
PTank: 132, Rank 3: Good
SSweep: 104, Rank 0: Average
STank: 132, Rank 3: Good
ODB: 16.2, Moderate Bias to Offense
PSB: 29.0 Bias to Physical
BSR: 500, Excellent.
BST: 565.
I see two kinds of sets being effective, a Choiced Set designed for exploiting Tricked Choice Items and a Bulky Set for each defense, allowing you to specifically arm your team for their weaknesses.
Offensive Spread:
252 Atk / 236 Spe / 20 SpD
Stats: 407 HP / 343 Attack / 180 Def / 178 SA / 185 SpD / 285 Spe
This spread always Outspeeds any-natured Base 80 Pokemon and reaches 314 Speed with a +Spe nature. If using +Spe, Adjust it to where you need.
Defensive Spread:Code:[B]Offensive Calculations:[/B] Offense Multiply damage by: 0.9 for Negative Nature 1.1 for Positive Nature 1.3 for Life Orb 1.5 For Choice Item or Guts (physical attacks) [B] When calculating boosts:[/B] +Nature: 91% = [B]OHKO[/B], 50% = [B]2HKO[/B] +1/Choice Band/Specs: 67%+ = [B]OHKO[/B], 36%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] Life Orb: 77% + = [B]OHKO[/B], 42%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] Expert Belt/Type Plate: 84%+ = [B]OHKO[/B] , 45%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] [B]Earthquake:[/B] 364 HP / 299 Def CB Metagross: 68-80% [B]2HKO[/B] 404 HP / 236 Def SubCM Jirachi: 77-92% [B]2HKO[/B] 382 HP / 256 Def CB Tyranitar: 75-89% [B]2HKO[/B] 282 HP / 176 Def Standard Lucario: 148-175% [B]OHKO[/B] 364 HP / 196 Def Toxic Spiker Tentacruel 103-122% [B]OHKO[/B] 688 HP / 130 Def Diverse Blissey: 41-48% 3HKO 354 HP / 387 Def Standard Forretress 27-32% 4HKO 383 HP / 289 Def Bulky Zapdos (Roosting) 68-79% 28% [B]OHKO[/B] with SR [B]Sucker Punch/Crunch/fleeing Pursuit:[/B] (regular Pursuit does 50% damage) 241 HP / 250 Def Offensive Rotom-A 97-117% 87% [B]OHKO[/B] 304 HP / 321 Def Standard Rotom-A 61-71% [B]2HKO[/B] 404 HP / 236 Def CMPass Celebi 62-73% [B]2HKO[/B] 404 HP / 320 Def Defensive Celebi: 46-54% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] 302 HP / 216 Def Offensive Latias 90-107% [B]OHKO[/B] with SR 333 HP / 216 Def Defensive Latias 81-97% 59% [B]OHKO[/B] with SR. 262 HP / 156 Def Standard Gengar 144-170% [B]OHKO[/B] 338 HP / 288 Def Standard Bronzong 30-36% 3HKO 370 HP / 219 Def BulkyGyara (after Intimidate) 24-28%. 5HKO. 331 HP / 196 Def Standard Salamence (after Intimidate): 30-36% 3HKO 383 HP / 289 Def Bulky Zapdos 26-31% 4HKO [B] Stone Edge:[/B] BulkyGyara (after Intimidate): 40-48% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] (CH will [B]OHKO[/B]) Standard Salamence (after Intimidate) 50-59% [B]2HKO[/B] Bulky Zapdos: 44-52% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] [B]Superpower:[/B] CBTar: 121-143% [B]OHKO[/B] Standard Lucario: 119-140% [B]OHKO[/B] Diverse Blissey: 65-77% [B]2HKO[/B] [B]Dark Pulse:[/B] 241 HP / 250 SpD Offensive Rotom-A: 50-60% [B]2HKO[/B] 304 HP/ 250 SpD Defensive Rotom-A 40-48% 3HKO [B]Blizzard:[/B] 331/196 SpD Standard Salamence 95-112% 66% [B]OHKO[/B] 343/186 SpD Defensive Gliscor 93-110% 59% [B]OHKO[/B] [B]Fire Blast:[/B] 343 HP / 166 SpD Standard Scizor: 108-128% [B]OHKO[/B] 354 / 156 SDef Standard Forretress 111-132% [B]OHKO[/B] 282 HP / 176 SpD Standard Lucario 61-73% [B]2HKO[/B] 334 HP / 176 SDef Standard Skarmory 52 – 61% [B]2HKO[/B] 338 HP / 320 SDef Standard Bronzong 29-34% 4HKO Code: [B][U]Defensive Calculations:[/U][/B] [B]Defense Multiply damage by:[/B] 0.9 for Positive Nature 0.9 for Opponent Neutral Nature 1.3 for Life Orb 1.5 for Choice Item [B]When calculating boosts:[/B] +1/Choice Band/Specs: 67%+ = [B]OHKO[/B], 36%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] Life Orb: 77% + = [B]OHKO[/B], 42%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] Expert Belt/Type Plate: 84%+ = [B]OHKO[/B] , 45%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] [B]405 Atk: Adamant Metagross/Salamence/Tyranitar (approx.)[/B] [Assume STAB if matches Steel/Psychic/Dragon/Rock/Dark] Outrage: 71-84% [B]2HKO[/B] Meteor Mash: 59-70% [B]2HKO[/B] Stone Edge: 29-35% Dragon Claw: 47-56% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] Crunch: 23-28% Zen Headbutt: 0% Explosion: 197-232% [B]OHKO[/B] Superpower: 94-112% 67% [B]OHKO[/B] Earthquake: 39-46 Aqua Tail: 71-84% [B]2HKO[/B] Ice Punch: 59-70% [B]2HKO[/B] [B]394 Atk: Adamant Scizor/Breloom/Machamp/Mamoswine[/B] [STAB where indicated] Focus Punch: 172-203% [STAB] [B]OHKO[/B] Close Combat/Superpower: 138-163% [STAB] [B]OHKO[/B] Dynamicpunch: 31-37% [STAB] 115-136% Earthquake: 57-68% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] X-Scissor: 92-109% [STAB] 54% [B]OHKO[/B] Seed Bomb: 92-109% [STAB] 54% [B]OHKO[/B] U-turn: 22-26% [STAB] 81-95% [B]2HKO[/B] Bullet Punch: 34-41% [Tech] [STAB] Ice Shard: 46-55% [STAB] [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] Superpower: 92-109% 54% OKHO Earthquake: 38-45% Stone Edge: 19-22% Ice Punch: 57-68% Pursuit: 11-13% [Tech], 15-18% (fleeing) [B] 383 Atk: Adamant Gyarados/Heracross/Azelf/Honchkrow/Electivire (approx.)[/B] [STAB where indicated] Close Combat: 134-159% [STAB] [B]OHKO[/B] Megahorn: 134-159% [STAB] [B]OHKO[/B] Bounce: 47-56% [STAB] 3HKO vs. Leftovers Drill Peck: 44-53% [STAB] Sucker Punch: 22-26% [STAB] Zen Headbutt: 0% [STAB] Waterfall: 12-14% [STAB] Brick Break: 23-27% [STAB] Thunderpunch: 0% [STAB] Night Slash: 20-22% [STAB] Pursuit: 11-13% [STAB], 22-26% (fleeing) Explosion: 186-219% [B]OHKO[/B] Superpower: 89-106% 33% [B]OHKO[/B] Cross Chop: 75-88% [B]2HKO[/B] Earthquake: 37-44% Stone Edge: 18-22% Brick Break: 56-66% [B]2HKO[/B] Ice Punch: 56-66% [B]2HKO[/B] [B]328 Atk: Adamant Flygon/Jirachi[/B] [Assume STAB on Dragon/Ground/Steel/Psychic] Outrage: 57-68% [B]2HKO[/B] Earthquake: 48-57% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] Dragon Claw: 38-45% Iron Head: 38-45% Zen Headbutt: 0% U-turn: 45-53% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] Ice Punch: 48-57% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] [B]When calculating boosts:[/B] +1/Choice Band/Specs: 67%+ = [B]OHKO[/B], 36%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] Life Orb: 77% + = [B]OHKO[/B], 42%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] Expert Belt/Type Plate: 84%+ = [B]OHKO[/B] , 45%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] [B] 394 SpA: Modest Heatran/Gengar/Magnezone[/B] [Assume STAB where indicated] Fire Blast: 68-80% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] Flamethrower: 54-63% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] Thunderbolt: 0% [STAB] Sludge Bomb: 25-30% [STAB] Shadow Ball: 22-26% [STAB] Flash Cannon: 45-53% [STAB] [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] Lave Plume: 45-53% [STAB] [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] Thunderbolt: 0% Dragon Pulse: 34-40% Earth Power: 34-40% Energy Ball: 60-71% [B]2HKO[/B] Hidden Power NVE: 13-15% Hidden Power Neutral: 26-31% Hidden Power SE: 53-62% [B]2HKO[/B] [B]383 SpA: Modest Zapdos/Azelf[/B] [Assume STAB on Electric/Psychic] Thunderbolt: 0% Psychic: 0% Heat Wave: 36-43% Flamethrower: 35-41% Hidden Power NVE: 13-15% Hidden Power Neutral: 26-30% Hidden Power SE: 52-61% reliable [B]2HKO[/B] [B]350 SpA: Modest Salamence/Latias/Jolteon[/B] [Assume STAB on Dragon/Psychic/Electric] Draco Meteor: 70-83% [B]OHKO[/B] Thunderbolt: 0% Dragon Pulse: 45-53% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] Psychic: 0 Fire Blast: 40-47% Hydro Pump: 80-95% [B]2HKO[/B] Surf: 63-75% [B]2HKO[/B] Shadow Ball: 13-15% Hidden Power NVE: 11-14% Hidden Power Neutral: 23-28% Hidden Power SE: 47-56% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] [B]339 SpA: Modest Rotom-A/Infernape (approx.)[/B] [STAB where indicated] Overheat: 68-80% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] Fire Blast: 58-69% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] Focus Blast: 116-138% [STAB] [B]OHKO[/B] Flamethrower: 46-54% [STAB] Vacuum Wave: 39-47% [STAB] Thunderbolt: 0% [STAB] Shadow Ball: 19-23% [STAB] Overheat: 45-53% Leaf Storm: 91-107% 41% [B]OHKO[/B] Blizzard: 78-92% [B]2HKO[/B] Hydro Pump: 78-92% [B]2HKO[/B] Air Slash: 24-29% Hidden Power NVE: 11-13% Hidden Power Neutral: 22-27% Hidden Power SE: 45-54% shaky [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] [B]328 SpA Modest: Celebi/Starmie/Jirachi/Dragonite[/B] [Assume STAB on Grass/Water/Psychic/Steel/Dragon] Leaf Storm: 132-156% [B]OHKO[/B] Draco Meteor: 66-78% [B]2HKO[/B] Hydro Pump: 73-86% [B]2HKO[/B] Fire Blast: 38-45% Surf: 90-106% 41% [B]OHKO[/B] Psychic: 0% Dragon Pulse: 42-50% Energy Ball: 75-89% [B]2HKO[/B] Flash Cannon: 37-45% Flamethrower: 30-35% Ice Beam: 60-71% [B]2HKO[/B] Thunderbolt: 0%
104 HP / 152 Atk / 252 Def (or SpD) , with Defensive Nature
Stats: 433 HP / 318 Atk / 267 Defense (or SpD) / 178 SA / 180 SpD (or Defense) / 212 Spe.
Defensive Calculations:
Defense Multiply damage by:
0.9 for opponent Neutral Nature
1.3 for Life Orb
1.5 for Choice Item
When calculating boosts:
+1/Choice Band/Specs: 67%+ = OHKO, 36%+ = 2HKO
Life Orb: 77% + = OHKO, 42%+ = 2HKO
Expert Belt/Type Plate: 84%+ = OHKO , 45%+ = 2HKO
Code:405 Atk: Adamant Metagross/Salamence/Tyranitar (approx.)Code:[Assume STAB if matches Steel/Psychic/Dragon/Rock/Dark] Outrage: 45-53% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] Meteor Mash: 37-44% Stone Edge: 18-22% Dragon Claw: 30-35% Crunch: 15-17% Zen Headbutt: 0% Explosion: 125-147% [B]OHKO[/B] Superpower: 60-71% [B]2HKO[/B] Earthquake: 25-29% Aqua Tail: 42-53% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] Ice Punch: 37-44% [B]394 Atk: Adamant Scizor/Breloom/Machamp/Mamoswine[/B] [STAB where indicated] Focus Punch: 109-129% [STAB]. Close Combat/Superpower: 87-103% [STAB] 59% [B]OHKO[/B] Dynamicpunch: 73-86% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] Earthquake: 36-43% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] X-Scissor: 58-69% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] Seed Bomb: 58-69% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] U-turn: 51-60% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] Bullet Punch: 22-26% [Tech] [STAB] Ice Shard: 29-35% [STAB] Superpower: 58-69% likely [B]2HKO[/B] Earthquake: 24-28% Stone Edge: 12-14% Ice Punch: 36-43% Pursuit: 7-8% [Tech], 9-11% (fleeing) [B]383 Atk: Adamant Gyarados/Heracross/Azelf/Honchkrow/Electivire (approx.)[/B] [STAB where indicated] Close Combat: 85-101% [STAB] 41% [B]OHKO[/B] with SR Megahorn: 85-101% [STAB] 41% [B]OHKO[/B] with SR Bounce: 30-36% [STAB] Drill Peck: 28-33% [STAB] Sucker Punch: 14-17% [STAB] Zen Headbutt: 0% [STAB] Waterfall: 57-67% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] Brick Break: 54-63% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] Thunderpunch: 0% [STAB] Night Slash: 12-15% [STAB] Pursuit: 7-8% [STAB], 14-17% (fleeing) Explosion: 118-139% [B]OHKO[/B] Superpower: 57-67% likely [B]2HKO[/B] Cross Chop: 47-56% [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B] Earthquake: 41-48% Stone Edge: 23-28% Brick Break: 36-42% Ice Punch: 36-42% [B]328 Atk: Adamant Flygon/Jirachi[/B] [Assume STAB on Dragon/Ground/Steel/Psychic] Outrage: 36-43% Earthquake: 30-36% Dragon Claw: 24-29% Iron Head: 24-29% Zen Headbutt: 0% U-turn: 28-34% Ice Punch: 30-36% [B]When calculating boosts:[/B] +1/Choice Band/Specs: 67%+ = [B]OHKO[/B], 36%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] Life Orb: 77% + = [B]OHKO[/B], 42%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] Expert Belt/Type Plate: 84%+ = [B]OHKO[/B] , 45%+ = [B]2HKO[/B] [B]394 SpA: Modest Heatran/Gengar/Magnezone[/B] [Assume STAB where indicated] Fire Blast: 43-51% [STAB] Flamethrower: 34-41% [STAB] Thunderbolt: 0% [STAB] Sludge Bomb: 16-20% Shadow Ball: 14-17% [STAB] Flash Cannon: 29-34% [STAB] Lave Plume: 29-34% [STAB] Thunderbolt: 0% Dragon Pulse: 22-26% Earth Power: 22-26% Energy Ball: 39-46% Hidden Power NVE: 8-10% Hidden Power Neutral: 17-20% Hidden Power SE: 34-40% [B]383 SpA: Modest Zapdos/Azelf[/B] [Assume STAB on Electric/Psychic] Thunderbolt: 0% Psychic: 0% Heat Wave: 23-28% Flamethrower: 22-27% Hidden Power NVE: 8-9% Hidden Power Neutral: 16-19% Hidden Power SE: 33-39% [B] 350 SpA: Modest Salamence/Latias/Jolteon[/B] [Assume STAB on Dragon/Psychic/Electric] Draco Meteor: 45-54% Thunderbolt: 0% Dragon Pulse: 29-34% Psychic: 0% Fire Blast: 26-30% Hydro Pump: 52-61% [B]2HKO[/B] Surf: 41-48% Shadow Ball: 8-10% Hidden Power NVE: 4-9% Hidden Power Neutral: 15-18% Hidden Power SE: 30-36% [B]339 SpA: Modest Rotom-A/Infernape (approx.)[/B] [STAB where indicated] Overheat: 44-52% [STAB] Fire Blast: 37-44% [STAB] Focus Blast: 75-89% [STAB] [B]2HKO[/B] Flamethrower: 30-35% [STAB] Vacuum Wave: 25-30% [STAB] Thunderbolt: 0% [STAB] Shadow Ball: 12-15% [STAB] Overheat: 29-34% Leaf Storm: 59-69% shaky [B][B]2HKO[/B] with SR[/B]. Blizzard: 50-59% Hydro Pump: 50-59% [B]2HKO[/B] Air Slash: 15-18% Hidden Power NVE: 7-8% Hidden Power Neutral: 14-17% Hidden Power SE: 29-35% [B] 328 SpA Modest: Celebi/Starmie/Jirachi/Dragonite[/B] [Assume STAB on Grass/Water/Psychic/Steel/Dragon] Leaf Storm: 85-101% 3% chance of [B]OHKO[/B] Draco Meteor: 42-58% Hydro Pump: 73-86% [B]2HKO[/B] Fire Blast: 24-28% Surf: 58-69% 2HKO Psychic: 0% Dragon Pulse: 27-32% Energy Ball: 49-58% 2HKO Flash Cannon: 24-29% Flamethrower: 19-23% Ice Beam: 39-46% Thunderbolt: 0%
Admiral Korski said:FINAL SUBMISSION
HP: 103
Atk: 118
Def: 80
SpA: 60
SpD: 91
Spe: 108
Physical Sweepiness: 186; Rank: 6, Amazing
Physical Tankiness: 123; Rank: 2, Moderately Good
Special Sweepiness: 95; Rank: 0, Average
Special Tankiness: 136; Rank: 3, Good
Offense/Defense Balance: 17.2, Moderate Bias to Offense
Physical/Special Balance: 31.4, Large Bias to Physical
Overall Stat Rating: 516, Excellent
Base Stat Total: 560
Explanation:
General:
With 5 weaknesses and a concept that really only necessitates a switch-in and 1-2 turns in battle at a time (it should be getting forced out pretty quickly with all those weaks), this CaP needs to be able to balance a hit-and-run (or stop-the-secondary-and-run) kind of strategy while still being able to score free turns by being offensively threatening. Secondly (and secondly is key here), it also needs to be able to take some key neutral hits so that it can do its job switching in on the huge variety of secondary users and effectively shut them down in some way, since there is no way it will be able to deal with all of them offensively. This is the approach I took to creating this spread and is why it is going to be slightly more geared toward a rapid pace style of play than others. It is my belief that CaP9 is going to be the type of pokemon that switches in unharmed most of the time (on a predicted secondary attack), forces out the opponent, does its thing as the opponent switches in a counter (one of many, in this case), and then leaves until it is needed again (in most cases. At this point, one can only speculate its capacity to stay in and sweep or perform other necessary team functions, since the abilities and move pool have yet to be decided. Fortunately, this spread can do very well fulfilling multiple roles).
Offenses: 118/60/108
Here I wanted to create a strong physical presence without going overboard, which would essentially mandate full-on offensive sets in every case. With this spread, CaP can post some impressive damage numbers (depending on investment) and can become a real force when boosted. It is balanced by a low SpA stat, meaning the opponent will almost always know where CaP is coming from on the offensive spectrum, except in rare cases, meaning CaP will have more reliable walls in Skarmory, Hippowdon, Forretress, etc., which justifies the higher speed, as well (also, this is just my opinion, but having a "Stop-the-Secondary" CaP that is walled by secondary users is a great strategy, as it basically asks the opponent who wants to wall CaP to use up a team slot on something that won't be accomplishing much of its own goals at all. This will invariably lead to offensive CaP counters, meaning fewer secondary attacks. It also encourages us as a community to be more creative when it comes to stopping secondary attacks, beyond just attacking their users).
Regarding Special Attack, if you really are concerned about taking out Skarmory and Forretress, a Life Orb Fire Blast (slight poll jumping, sorry) will 2HKO the Standard Skarmory and OHKO Forretress with no investment and a neutral nature (96 EVs w/o LO). I really don't see much other need for SpA.
118 Attack is a great level for this pokemon, giving offensive sets (252 EVs) 335 Atk w/ a neutral nature and 368 w/ a +nature. Calcs, activate!
As you can see, neutral hits aren't terribly powerful, SE hits teeter right on the edge of useful O-2HKOs, and a Choice Band can really push a lot of close-OHKOs into guaranteed OHKOs and wreak general devastation, which makes EV selection and nature all the more crucial.Code:Note: Only relevant +Def natures are listed; if no nature is listed, assume it's neutral. 335 Atk (252 EVs, neutral nature): Switch Pursuit/Crunch/Sucker Punch: vs. 4/0 Latias: 270 - 318 (89.40% - 105.30%) [B]OHKO w/ SR, 28% w/o[/B] vs. 252/4 Latias: 266 - 314 (73.08% - 86.26%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. 4/0 Rotom-x: 234 - 276 (96.69% - 114.05%) [B]OHKO w/ SR, 74% w/o[/B] vs. 252/168 Bold Rotom-x: 182 - 216 (59.87% - 71.05%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. 0/252 Blissey: 243 - 286 (37.33% - 43.93%) [B]Reliable 3HKO[/B] vs. 80/0 Jirachi: 123 - 145 (34.07% - 40.17%) [B]29% 2HKO w/ SR[/B] vs. 252/220 Bold Celebi: 182 - 216 (45.05% - 53.47%) [B]85% 2HKO w/SR, 3HKO w/o[/B] vs. 4/0 Starmie: 282 - 332 (107.63% - 126.72%) [B]OHKO[/B] vs. 136/156 Starmie: 236 - 278 (80.00% - 94.24%) [B]41% OHKO w/ SR[/B] LO vs. 252/168 Bold Rotom-x: 236 - 278 (77.63% - 91.45%) [B]80% OHKO w/SR, 2% w/o[/B] LO vs. 136/156 Starmie: 306 - 360 (103.73% - 122.03%) [B]OHKO[/B] CB vs. 252/4 Latias: 398 - 470 (109.34% - 129.12%) [B]OHKO[/B] CB vs. 252/168 Bold Rotom-x: 270 - 320 (88.82% - 105.26%) [B]OHKO w/SR, 28% w/o[/B] CB vs. 0/252 Blissey: 363 - 427 (55.76% - 65.59%) [B]2HKO[/B] CB vs. 80/0 Jirachi: 183 - 216 (50.69% - 59.83%) [B]2HKO[/B] CB vs. 252/220 Bold Celebi: 270 - 320 (66.83% - 79.21%) [B]2HKO[/B] Earthquake: vs. 188/252 Bold Vaporeon: 151 - 178 (33.71% - 39.73%) [B]4HKO[/B] vs. 252/12 Metagross: 242 - 288 (66.48% - 79.12%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. 252/96 Spiritomb: 130 - 154 (42.76% - 50.66%) [B]39% 2HKO w/ SR[/B] LO vs. 252/12 Metagross: 314 - 372 (86.26% - 102.20%) [B]53% OHKO w/SR[/B] CB vs. 188/252 Bold Vaporeon: 225 - 265 (46.11% - 54.30%) [B]2HKO[/B] CB vs. 252/12 Metagross: 362 - 428 (99.45% - 117.58%) [B]OHKO[/B] CB vs. 80/0 Jirachi: 458 - 540 (126.87% - 149.58%) [B]OHKO[/B] CB vs. 0/252 Blissey: 453 - 534 (69.59% - 82.03%) [B]2HKO[/B] CB vs. 252/120 Roserade: 306 - 361 (94.44% - 111.42%) [B]67% OHKO w/o SR[/B] 368 Atk (252 EVs, +nature): Switch Pursuit/Crunch/Sucker Punch: vs. 4/0 Latias: 294 - 348 (97.35% - 115.23%) [B]OHKO w/ SR, 78% w/o[/B] vs. 252/4 Latias: 290 - 344 (79.67% - 94.51%) [B]41% OHKO w/ SR[/B] vs. 4/0 Rotom-x: 254 - 300 (104.96% - 123.97%) [B]OHKO[/B] vs. 252/168 Bold Rotom-x: 200 - 236 (65.79% - 77.63%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. 0/252 Blissey: 265 - 313 (40.71% - 48.08%) [B]4% 2HKO w/ SR[/B] vs. 80/0 Jirachi: 135 - 159 (37.40% - 44.04%) [B]98% 2HKO w/ SR, 58% w/o[/B] vs. 252/220 Bold Celebi: 200 - 236 (49.50% - 58.42%) [B]2HKO[/B] LO vs. 0/252 Blissey: 345 - 406 (53.00% - 62.37%) [B]2HKO[/B] LO vs. 252/96 Spritomb: 150 - 177 (49.34% - 58.22%) [B]2HKO w/ SR, 53% w/o[/B] CB vs. 252/168 Bold Rotom-x: 296 - 350 (97.37% - 115.13%) [B]OHKO w/ SR, 80% w/o[/B] CB vs. 0/252 Blissey: 399 - 469 (61.29% - 72.04%) [B]2HKO[/B] CB vs. 252/220 Bold Celebi: 296 - 350 (73.27% - 86.63%) [B]2HKO[/B] Earthquake: vs. 188/252 Bold Vaporeon: 165 - 195 (36.83% - 43.53%) [B]4HKO[/B] vs. 252/12 Metagross: 266 - 314 (73.08% - 86.26%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. 252/96 Spritomb: 144 - 171 (47.37% - 56.25%) [B]2HKO w/ SR[/B] LO vs. 188/252 Bold Vaporeon: 214 - 253 (47.77% - 56.47%) [B]2HKO w/ SR[/B] CB vs. " ": 247 - 292 (50.61% - 59.84%) [B]2HKO[/B] CB vs. 0/252 Blissey: 498 - 586 (76.50% - 90.02%) [B]15% OHKO w/ SR[/B] CB vs. 252/96 Spiritomb: 216 - 255 (71.05% - 83.88%) [B]2HKO[/B]
Defensive calcs for offenisve spread:
CaP9 @ Life Orb/ Choice Band/ Choice Scarf/ etc.
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 36 HP/ 252 Atk/ 220 Spe (356 HP/ 368 Atk/ 196 Def/ 140 SpA/ 228 SpD/ 307 Speed
So yeah, an offensive CaP will be low-end 2-3HKO'd on average by SE attacks or high-BP STAB neutral attacks from most secondary users who don't invest much in their respective attacking stats. It will also be high-end 2-3HKO'd on average by OU's offensive pokemon, putting it in a great spot to take on a large variety of pokemon consistently while maintaining an offensive strategy.Code:Note: Life Orb Recoil is not factored in to these calculations vs. WishBliss Ice Beam: 124 - 148 (34.83% - 41.57%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. Adamant Breloom Mach Punch: 174 - 206 (48.88% - 57.87%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. +2 Adamant Breloom Mach Punch: 348 - 410 (97.75% - 115.17%) [B]Reliable OHKO[/B] vs. 235 Atk Bronzong Gyro Ball: 109 - 130 (30.62% - 36.52%) [B]Reliable 3HKO[/B] vs. Defensive Celebi Grass Knot (60 BP): 134 - 162 (37.64% - 45.51%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. " " (80 BP): 180 - 212 (50.56% - 59.55%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. " " (100 BP): 222 - 264 (62.36% - 74.16%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. " " (120 BP): 270 - 318 (75.84% - 89.33%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Stallbreaker Gliscor U-Turn: 116 - 138 (32.58% - 38.76%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. 359 SpA Heatran Fire Blast: 204 - 240 (57.30% - 67.42%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Standard Hippowdon Ice Fang: 124 - 148 (34.83% - 41.57%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. " " Earthquake: 144 - 169 (40.45% - 47.47%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. Jolly Scarf Jirachi U-Turn: 154 - 182 (43.26% - 51.12%) [B]50% 2HKO w/ SR[/B] vs. Timid Scarf Latias Draco Meteor: 211 - 249 (59.27% - 69.94%) [B]Very low chance to 2HKO, factoring in stat drops[/B] vs. Timid Specs Latias Surf: 192 - 226 (53.93% - 63.48%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. 339 SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump: 256 - 302 (71.91% - 84.83%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Timid Scarf Rotom-x HP Fighting: 136 - 162 (38.20% - 45.51%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. Standard Skarmory Brave Bird: 141 - 166 (39.61% - 46.63%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. Timid Starmie Hydro Pump: 338 - 402 (94.94% - 112.92%) [B]74% OHKO[/B] vs. Mixpert Surf: 198 - 234 (55.62% - 65.73%) [B]2HKO [/B] vs. Standard Tentacruel Surf: 176 - 210 (49.44% - 58.99%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Standard Vaporeon Surf: 230 - 272 (64.61% - 76.40%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Physically Defensive Zapdos HP Ice: 126 - 150 (35.39% - 42.13%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. Aerodactyl Earthquake: 169 - 201 (47.74% - 56.78%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Lead Azelf Explosion: 524 - 617 (148.02% - 174.29%) [B]OHKO[/B] vs. Lead Azelf Fire Blast: 132 - 156 (37.29% - 44.07%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. Scarf Azelf U-Turn: 152 - 180 (42.94% - 50.85%)[B] 2% 2HKO [/B]vs. Adamant CB Flygon Outrage:324 - 382 (91.53% - 107.91%)[B] 79% OHKO w/ SR, 48% w/o [/B]vs. Adamant CScarf Flygon Outrage: 216 - 255 (61.02% - 72.03%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Timid LO Gengar Shadow Ball: 88 - 104 (24.86% - 29.38%) [B]4-5HKO[/B] vs. Hasty LO Gengar Explosion:418 - 492 (118.08% - 138.98%)[B] OHKO [/B]vs. Adamant CB/1 DD Gyarados Waterfall:504 - 594 (142.37% - 167.80%) [B]OHKO[/B] vs. LO 260 Atk Infernape Close Combat:444 - 524 (125.42% - 148.02%)[B] OHKO [/B]vs. Scarf Jirachi Iron Head:132 - 156 (37.29% - 44.07%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. SpecsJolt HP(SE): 212 - 250 (59.89% - 70.62%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Adamant LO Kingdra Outrage: 271 - 321 (76.55% - 90.68%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. " " Waterfall: 362 - 428 (102.26% - 120.90%) [B]OHKO[/B] vs. +2 Adamant LO Lucario ExtremeSpeed:266 - 314 (75.14% - 88.70%)[B] 2HKO [/B]vs. Adamant CB Mamoswine Ice Shard: 260 - 308 (73.45% - 87.01%)[B] 2HKO[/B] vs. Adamant CB Metagross Meteor Mash:333 - 393 (94.07% - 111.02%) [B]OHKO w/ SR, 59% w/o[/B] vs. Scarf Adaptability Porygon-z Tri-Attack:186 - 220 (52.54% - 62.15%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. LO MixMence Draco Meteor:300 - 354 (84.75% - 100.00%) [B]33% OHKO w/ SR, 2% OHKO w/o[/B] vs. LO MixMence Outrage:276 - 325 (77.97% - 91.81%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. LO MixMence Fire Blast:171 - 202 (48.31% - 57.06%)[B] 2HKO [/B]vs. CB Scizor Bullet Punch: 195 - 229 (55.08% - 64.69%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Suicune Surf:194 - 230 (54.80% - 64.97%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. +1 Suicune Surf:290 - 344 (81.92% - 97.18%) [B]20% OHKO w/ SR[/B] vs. CB Tyranitar Stone Edge: 166 - 196 (46.89% - 55.37%) [B]2HKO w/ SR[/B] vs. " " CH: 333 - 393 (94.07% - 111.02%) [B]59% OHKO[/B] vs. CB Tyranitar Pursuit: 67 - 79 (18.93% - 22.32%)[B] [B]5HKO[/B][/B]
The Speed stat here was inspired by Infernape, who has a huge stake in becoming one of CaP9’s biggest threats. I’d like to see the mind games that ensue by adding another pokemon that could be one of its biggest threats to its yet unchallenged speed tier. The two have excellent dueling STABs (Fighting beats Dark, Ground beats Fire), and I think a rivalry of sorts could be fun. I'd also like to extend to CaP the advantages of being in a very exclusive speed tier, which allows it to be above 100 base while simultaneously giving it plenty of options in choosing speed numbers without having to go max + nature for every set, freeing up extra EVs for bulk in the process. This number also makes Choice Band all the more viable for offensive sets as well as for punishing Trick users. Beyond that, 108 is not outrageously high; there are quite a number of pokemon that can threaten CaP in higher tiers, such as Latias, Starmie, Jolteon, Weavile, Azelf, Gengar, and most common Scarfers (Heracross, Porygon-z, etc.), as well as a good number of checks that can't simply be muscled off of the battlefield (e.g. Swampert). I also like this speed tier because it doesn't require +nature to outrun all Lucario (220 EVs), who would otherwise run all over CaP, or neutral nature base 100s (192 EVs). Here CaP can confidently invest elsewhere.
Defenses: 103/80/91
I put the focus on SpD here, however, my mind was on bulky support sets when designing these defenses. My goal was to encourage a balancing of sorts for the defensive stats, allowing Cap to be relatively bulky without having to fear one full range (physical or special) of offensive attacks, while still allowing for extreme specialization if the player needs it. Going Impish with 48 EVs will even out both defensive stats at 228, which, along with a maxed out 410 HP, makes for a fairly bulky pokemon (of course, customization is key). This frees up 208 EVs to use to further bolster Defenses, invest in Speed to fire off speedy support moves, boost Attack to create a solid bulky offensive-mon, or any combination of the three. The emphasis on SpD also opens the door for more plausible Curse/Bulk Up sets (more poll jumping, i know) or some kind of Tauntrados-like set.
With that said, my main calcs here won't be the rosy picture, quality-inflating max/max numbers, but rather a theoretical bulky Spinner/Heal Bell/Support whatever build that I made up.
Cap9 @ Leftovers
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/ 32 Def/ 220 Spe (410 HP/ 272 Atk/ 224 Def/ 140 SpA/ 228 SpD/ 307 Spe)
Just a few offensive calcs for this set (min Atk, 272):Code:vs. WishBliss Ice Beam: 124 - 148 (30.24% - 36.10%) [B]4HKO[/B] vs. Adamant Breloom Mach Punch: 152 - 182 (37.07% - 44.39%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. +2 Adamant Breloom Mach Punch: 306 - 360 (74.63% - 87.80%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. 235 Atk Bronzong Gyro Ball: 96 - 114 (23.41% - 27.80%) [B]5HKO[/B] vs. Defensive Celebi Grass Knot (60 BP): 134 - 162 (32.68% - 39.51%) [B]4HKO[/B] vs. " " (80 BP): 180 - 212 (43.90% - 51.71%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. " " (100 BP): 222 - 264 (54.15% - 64.39%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. " " (120 BP): 270 - 318 (65.85% - 77.56%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Stallbreaker Gliscor U-Turn: 102 - 122 (24.88% - 29.76%) [B]5HKO[/B] vs. 359 SpA Heatran Fire Blast: 204 - 240 (49.76% - 58.54%) [B]2-3HKO[/B] vs. Standard Hippowdon Ice Fang: 110 - 130 (26.83% - 31.71%) [B]5HKO[/B] vs. " " Earthquake: 126 - 148 (30.73% - 36.10%) [B]4HKO[/B] vs. Jolly Scarf Jirachi U-Turn: 136 - 160 (33.17% - 39.02%) [B]4HKO[/B] vs. Timid Scarf Latias Draco Meteor: 211 - 249 (51.46% - 60.73%)[B] 3HKO after applying stat drops[/B] vs. Timid Specs Latias Surf: 286 - 338 (69.76% - 82.44%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. 339 SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump: 256 - 302 (62.44% - 73.66%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Timid Scarf Rotom-x HP Fighting (don't say it won't happen): 136 - 162 (33.17% - 39.51%)[B] 4HKO[/B] vs. Standard Skarmory Brave Bird: 123 - 145 (30.00% - 35.37%) [B]4HKO[/B] vs. Timid Starmie Hydro Pump: 338 - 402 (82.44% - 98.05%) [B]O-2HKO[/B] vs. Mixpert Surf (& Physical Pert Waterfall): 198 - 234 (48.29% - 57.07%) [B]2-3HKO[/B] vs. Standard Tentacruel Surf: 176 - 210 (42.93% - 51.22%) [B]2-3HKO[/B] vs. Standard Vaporeon Surf: 230 - 272 (56.10% - 66.34%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Physically Defensive Zapdos HP Ice: 126 - 150 (30.73% - 36.59%) [B]4HKO[/B] vs. Aerodactyl Earthquake: 148 - 175 (36.10% - 42.68%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. Lead Azelf Explosion: 459 - 540 (111.95% - 131.71%) [B]OHKO[/B] vs. Lead Azelf Fire Blast: 132 - 156 (32.20% - 38.05%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. Scarf Azelf U-Turn: 134 - 158 (32.68% - 38.54%) [B]3HKO [/B]vs. Adamant CB Flygon Outrage: 283 - 334 (69.02% - 81.46%) [B]2HKO [/B]vs. Adamant CScarf Flygon Outrage: 189 - 223 (46.10% - 54.39%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. Timid LO Gengar Shadow Ball: 88 - 104 (21.46% - 25.37%) [B]6HKO[/B] vs. Hasty LO Gengar Explosion: 366 - 431 (89.27% - 105.12%) [B]67% OHKO w/ SR, 28% w/o [/B]vs. Adamant CB/1 DD Gyarados Waterfall: 440 - 522 (107.32% - 127.32%) [B]OHKO [/B]vs. LO 260 Atk Infernape Close Combat: 390 - 462 (95.12% - 112.68%) [B]OHKO [/B]vs. Scarf Jirachi Iron Head: 115 - 136 (28.05% - 33.17%) [B]4HKO [/B]vs. SpecsJolt HP(SE): 212 - 250 (51.71% - 60.98%) [B]2-3HKO[/B] vs. Adamant LO Kingdra Outrage: 237 - 280 (57.80% - 68.29%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. " " Waterfall: 320 - 378 (78.05% - 92.20%) [B]Never a OHKO[/B] vs. +2 Adamant Lucario ExtremeSpeed: 233 - 275 (56.83% - 67.07%) [B]2HKO [/B]vs. Adamant CB Mamoswine Ice Shard: 228 - 270 (55.61% - 65.85%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. Adamant CB Metagross Meteor Mash: 291 - 343 (70.98% - 83.66%) [B]2HKO [/B]vs. Scarf Adaptability Porygon-z Tri-Attack: 208 - 246 (50.73% - 60.00%) [B]2HKO [/B]vs. LO MixMence Draco Meteor: 298 - 352 (72.68% - 85.85%) [B]2HKO [/B]vs. LO MixMence Outrage: 246 - 289 (60.00% - 70.49%) [B]2HKO [/B]vs. LO MixMence Fire Blast: 167 - 197 (40.73% - 48.05%) [B]3HKO [/B]vs. CB Scizor Bullet Punch: 169 - 201 (41.22% - 49.02%) [B]3HKO[/B] vs. Suicune Surf: 194 - 230 (47.32% - 56.10%)[B] 2-3HKO [/B]vs. +1 Suicune Surf: 290 - 344 (70.73% - 83.90%) [B]2HKO [/B]vs. CB Tyranitar Stone Edge: 145 - 171 (35.37% - 41.71%) [B]3-4HKO[/B] vs. " " CH: 291 - 343 (70.98% - 83.66%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. CB Tyranitar Pursuit: 58 - 69 (14.15% - 16.83%) [B]9HKO[/B]
Basically, you'll have some leeway here for bad prediction and can still do key amounts of damage against the kind of pokemon this CaP should be dealing with. Defensively, this spread does well against the pokemon it's supposed to be switching in on and taking hits from, but taking on classic offensive threats is still a big risk. It cannot just jump in on Scizor and Salamence and be the best sweeper ever everever, because that's not its job (unless we give it Fire and Ice attacks, which we should, then that could be one of its jobs). CaP doesn't have to go mixed, though, like it is in these calcs. Specialization allows you to take on many more specific threats that you couldn't before (for instance, max/max Def CaP9 vs. LeadElf Explosion: 269 - 317 (65.61% - 77.32%)). Going full dedicated on defenses will garner stats of 410/284/228 (max/max Def) or 410/196/309 (max/max SpD). Again, it all depends on the framework and strategy of the player's team.Code:Switch Pursuit/Crunch/Sucker Punch: vs. 4/0 Latias: 218 - 258 (72.19% - 85.43%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. 4/0 Rotom-x: 188 - 224 (77.69% - 92.56%) [B]33% OHKO w/ SR[/B] vs. 0/4 Gengar: 300 - 354 (114.94% - 135.63%) [B]OHKO[/B] vs. 252/228 Impish Dusknoir: 116 - 140 (39.46% - 47.62%) [B]2% 2HKO w/ SR[/B] vs. 0/252 Blissey: 196 - 232 (30.11% - 35.64%) [B]5HKO[/B] vs. 0/4 Gyarados: 135 - 159 (40.79% - 48.04%) [B]2HKO w/ SR[/B] vs. 0/0 Salamence: 120 - 142 (36.25% - 42.90%) [B]28% 2HKO w/ SR[/B] Earthquake: vs. 0/4 Lucario: 332 - 392 (118.15% - 139.50%) [B]OHKO[/B] vs. 0/0 Infernape: 330 - 390 (112.63% - 133.11%) [B]OHKO[/B] vs. 164/0 Tyranitar: 230 - 272 (60.21% - 71.20%) [B]2HKO[/B] vs. 248/0 Scizor: 124 - 147 (36.15% - 42.86%) [B]3HKO[/B]
Phew! Thanks for reading all that. I hope you got a clear picture of how this spread works. I won't go into a lengthy wrap up here, because I think I've already explained it to death.
