Goldeen (LC Swift Swim Sweeper)

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http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/goldeen

Hello, Smogon people. I'm semi-new here (I realize now all you reading are going "ohhh no.."), but I'm in no way new to competitive battling. I've been playing around in LC recently and stumbled upon success with Goldeen. Here's what I've been using:

[SET]
name: Swift Swim Sweeper
move1: Waterfall
move2: Megahorn
move3: Return
move4: Psybeam
nature: Adamant
ability: Swift Swim
item: Life Orb
evs: 220 Atk / 36 Def / 252 Spe
ivs: 0 HP

Why this set deserves to be on-site:

  • (Slightly) higher base attack stat than Buizel.
  • Megahorn OHKOes most Dratini, 2HKOes Gible & Bagon. (Prime targets for Buizel's Ice Punch - Gligar is wiped clean by a rain-boosted Waterfall)
  • OHKOes Croagunk, Buizel's best counter, with Psybeam, even with an Adamant nature, 0 SpA EVs, and no SR. (slight chance not to OHKO the rare SubPunch set)
Additional Comments:
  • Naturally bulkier than Buizel. (Can live Choice Scarf Gligar's Earthquake, etc. etc.)
  • 0 HP IV gives an HP stat of 19, a magic Life Orb number.
Teammates and Counters:
  • A teammate who can reliably set up Rain Dance is required for effectiveness. Some good options are Voltorb, who speed-ties for fastest in LC, and Chinchou or Mantyke, whos great resistances and bulk provide for an easy set up.
  • Priority users like Croagunk can finish off Goldeen after residual damage (SR, LO recoil, etc.), but be wary of Psybeam.
  • When the turns of rain run out, faster Pokemon like Elekid can easily pick off Goldeen with super-effective moves.
I've used this set with great results in LC. However, it's only effective with Rain up, or else it's finished off by quicker sweepers.

I'm not sure exactly how the whole QC and analyses thing is worked about, but if there's an alternative I'd rather not write the write-up for this set. Honestly I don't think I'm fit for the job and would prefer it if someone else could, because frankly, I'm not much of a writer.

Thanks for reading.

EDIT: There's not currently an analysis posted for Goldeen, so.. I'm not sure how that works out.
 
Well I like the set. Would be a good fit on Rain Dance teams.

I'd really suggest you'd reconsider writing the the write-up part. You know the set most and have tested it, if you're not much of a writer, just get the basics down and I'm sure some people will help out. I'll definitely will when I have time on Friday if you do choose to do it.
 
sbc said:
Well I like the set. Would be a good fit on Rain Dance teams.

I'd really suggest you'd reconsider writing the the write-up part. You know the set most and have tested it, if you're not much of a writer, just get the basics down and I'm sure some people will help out. I'll definitely will when I have time on Friday if you do choose to do it.
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I can try. I've read some and I think I get the general gist of it, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to word it appropriately.

Thanks.
 
Random Pizzaman said:
One thing- Hidden Power: Psychic outdamages Psybeam at 70 BP. Not a big deal, but you should always use the best moves.
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This is true, however, Hidden Power [Psychic] lowers both the Atk and Spe stats by a whole point, so the extra power isn't worth it. You can argue that by putting 4 more EVs in Atk and Spe can fix it, but then you have to sacrifice a point in Def, which adds to overall bulk - one of the advantages Goldeen has over Buizel.
 
Just mentioning that you (or someone else) will need to write an actual analysis for Goldeen before this is uploaded. This can still be the only set, you just need to write team options, counters, overview, etc.

Also, I think Rain Dance is a great option in the last slot, especially with Oran Berry. I think the set should look like this:


[SET]
name: Swift Swim Sweeper
move1: Waterfall
move2: Megahorn
move3: Return
move4: Rain Dance / Psybeam
nature: Adamant
ability: Swift Swim
item: Life Orb / Oran Berry
evs: 220 Atk / 36 Def / 252 Spe
ivs: 0 HP
 
yeah, any rd sweeper by default deserves a mention of rain dance as a move

other than that, goldeen kind of sucks so this is a unique niche

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ARandomBoy will get credit for this set; it is being lumped in with the Goldeen analysis.
 
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