Sceptile (Attacking Lead)

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Sceptile GP [Fatecrashers/Snorlaxe]

[SET]
name: Attacking Lead
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Quick Attack
move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Endeavor
move 4: Rock Slide
item: Life Orb / Focus Sash
nature: Naive
evs: 40 Atk / 252 SpA / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Although Sceptile is commonly seen as a sweeper or SubSeeder, using it as an anti-lead to prevent early setup is a viable alternative. Boasting a base 105 Special Attack stat, Sceptile's Leaf Storm is capable of KOing many of the popular leads utilized in the UU metagame. Quick Attack is Sceptile's best choice to beat faster, frailer leads such as Electrode before they can cause serious damage to Sceptile.</p>

<p>Hidden Power Ice allows Sceptile to beat leads such as Torterra and Jumpluff before they can set up Stealth Rock or put Sceptile to sleep, respectively. Endeavor can be used in place of Hidden Power if you opt for Focus Sash, as it allows Sceptile to beat bulky Pokémon who try to set up after Sceptile's Focus Sash breaks. Such Pokemon include Registeel, who often tries to force Sceptile to switch while setting up Stealth Rock.</p>

<p>Rock Slide is a great move for Sceptile, allowing it to effectively dispose of Moltres and Scyther who try to kill it with their STAB attacks, especially the latter, who is a very common lead. Rock Slide also allows Sceptile to beat Swellow if Sceptile holds Focus Sash.</p>

<p>The choice between Life Orb and Focus Sash is hard. Life Orb guarantees many kills that cannot be obtained with Focus Sash, such as the surefire OHKO on Ambipom with Leaf Storm and the 2HKO on Mesprit. However, Focus Sash allows Sceptile to abuse Overgrow and Endeavor, making it a deadly attacker once at 1 HP. Focus Sash is also Sceptile's only way to beat Swellow and the rare Choice Scarf Scyther.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Lum Berry is an option to counter Choice Scarf sleep leads like Venusaur and Jumpluff, while also avoiding Thunder Wave from Uxie, but it usually isn't the best choice due to the power and survivability Sceptile loses without its Life Orb and Focus Sash, respectively. Hidden Power Fire and Earthquake are viable options to beat Steel-types; barring Probopass or Magneton, however, Steel-types can still set up on Sceptile if it doesn't carry Earthquake.</p>

<p>Protect can be used to block Fake Out from the swarm of Ambipom leads seen in UU, but it is hard to find a moveslot for it, and it's only important if Sceptile holds Focus Sash.</p>

<p>Houndoom is a great teammate due to its ability to set up on Mismagius, whose special bulk otherwise poses a problem for Sceptile. Houndoom definitely appreciates Sceptile's ability to remove bulky Water-types such as Milotic with ease, and it loves switching in on Ice and Fire attacks due to its passable special bulk and Flash Fire ability. Houndoom also beats the Bug-type Pokémon who scare away Sceptile.</p>

<p>Spiking Qwilfish, especially with Taunt, can set up on the likes of Registeel; it can safely Taunt and absorb Thunder Wave and Toxic, netting it some free turns to set up Spikes. Spiritomb with Pursuit utterly obliterates Mismagius, who gives Sceptile trouble with its above-average special bulk. Spiritomb also has a field day with Uxie, whose high defensive stats can also be a problem for Sceptile.</p>
 
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I am not finished testing this set yet, but in the few matches i have done so far, i have noticed that this is in need of Earthquake. Earthquake deserves the primary slash over Toxic/ Grass Whiste because it allows you to hit Steel type switch ins which are normally your usual counters. The only lead that Toxic is helping you beat is Uxie, but even then Uxie does whatever it pleases against Scpetile, so Earthquake should really be the primary slash, and Protect should be in the AC so that Ambipom does not break your Sash. Also remove Grass Whistle, it is far to innacurate to be relying on. One more thing, i have found the Ev spread you have in the AC to be more useful than the one you currently have on the set. Here is how Sceptile does against the top 10 leads:

Ambipom: Leaf Storm OHKO'S. Protect on the Fake Out if you have Protect. Win
Uxie: Uxie does everything it is suppose to against you. Loss
Mespirit: I am still yet to encounter one.
Omaster: eaf Storm OHKO's. If it gots a Sash, it manages to get up SR, ut most do not use Sash. Win
Qwilfish: It gets up 1 layer of Spikes due to Sash, but atleast it isn't 2. Win
Alakazam: Leaf Storm and Quick attack defeat it. Win
Hippopotas: I am yet to encounter one.
Cloyster: I am yet to enounter one.

Beats 4 of the top 10 leads, that is pretty useful.



Edit: i gave you alot of changes to make, so i will make it more simple b showing what i think the set should look like.

Sceptile@Focus Sash
Overgrow/ Naive
Evs 40 atk252 spA 216 spe
Leaf Storm, Earhtquake/Toxic/Protect, Rock Slide, Quick Attack
 
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I used to run a very effective Sceptile lead, and Endeavor should be on this set. Not in AC, slashed on the set. The 3rd slot most likely. Why is Grasswhistle there? Remove it please.
 

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The Cicada said:
I am not finished testing this set yet, but in the few matches i have done so far, i have noticed that this is in need of Earthquake. Earthquake deserves the primary slash over Toxic/ Grass Whiste because it allows you to hit Steel type switch ins which are normally your usual counters. The only lead that Toxic is helping you beat is Uxie, but even then Uxie does whatever it pleases against Scpetile, so Earthquake should really be the primary slash, and Protect should be in the AC so that Ambipom does not break your Sash. Also remove Grass Whistle, it is far to innacurate to be relying on. One more thing, i have found the Ev spread you have in the AC to be more useful than the one you currently have on the set. Here is how Sceptile does against the top 10 leads:

Ambipom: Leaf Storm OHKO'S. Protect on the Fake Out if you have Protect. Win
Uxie: Uxie does everything it is suppose to against you. Loss
Mespirit: I am still yet to encounter one.
Omaster: eaf Storm OHKO's. If it gots a Sash, it manages to get up SR, ut most do not use Sash. Win
Qwilfish: It gets up 1 layer of Spikes due to Sash, but atleast it isn't 2. Win
Alakazam: Leaf Storm and Quick attack defeat it. Win
Hippopotas: I am yet to encounter one.
Cloyster: I am yet to enounter one.

Beats 4 of the top 10 leads, that is pretty useful.


Edit: i gave you alot of changes to make, so i will make it more simple b showing what i think the set should look like.

Sceptile@Focus Sash
Overgrow/ Naive
Evs 40 atk252 spA 216 spe
Leaf Storm, Earhtquake/Toxic/Protect, Rock Slide, Quick Attack
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Yeah, I also think to set in AC is better, I think I'll swap them around, cause Sceptile doesn't need to tie with Alakazam to kill it anyway. Earthquake seems like an good option, lets think about it. Here is a list of of some UU steels and Earthquake calcs.
Calcs with a Naive nature and 40 Atk EVs (and 252 SpA evs of course)





Earthquake
  • Aggron - 72.6% - 86.8%
  • Bastiodon - 54.3% - 64.2%
  • Magneton - 134.3% - 158.2%
  • Mawile - 65.1% - 77%
  • My computer won't load Probopass, but we all know it's a 2HKO.
It does pathetic damage to the only ones you will see, Registeel and Steelix. Those two are kills by endeavor which I said before, so I think endeavor. it is a superior option.

Also, idk if I need protect because I can just quick attack before he fake outs.



Thund91 said:
I used to run a very effective Sceptile lead, and Endeavor should be on this set. Not in AC, slashed on the set. The 3rd slot most likely. Why is Grasswhistle there? Remove it please.
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Read above lol. Great suggestion Thund. Also, grass whistle misses 6 times in a row :/ (it was an unranked battle, so no, I'm not stupid.)

THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE LUVIDISCS EVERYONE! (one of them was from me though lol)

EDIT: I don't think I'm supposed to post logs in the first post so I'll put stuff here:

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LOGS

So far, I havn't recorded that many battles with this vicious lead, but here is the second one that I did after posting this set. Sadly, the first battle ended in ragequit with Rock Slide flinchhax so I decided not to post it. Also note, Sceptile doesn't KO Moltres because 1) it was a defensive set; 2) I only used 4 attack evs. Also this log really shows how well Sceptile works with Qwilfish. the fish resists fire, ice, and bug; the gecko's weakness. the gecko resists ground, electric, and grass, the fish's weakness, just for the record.

Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
-Hobo- sent out Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
Zigman sent out Sharpedo (lvl 100 Sharpedo ?).
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
It's super effective!
Sharpedo lost 100% of its health.
Sharpedo hung on using its Focus Sash!
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Sharpedo used Crunch.
Sceptile lost 73% of its health.
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Sceptile used Quick Attack.
Sharpedo lost 0% of its health.
Zigman's Sharpedo fainted.
Sceptile was hurt by Sharpedo's Rough Skin!
Sceptile lost 12% of its health.
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jeffymols has entered the room.
Zigman switched in Moltres (lvl 100 Moltres).
Moltres is exerting its pressure!
jeffymols has left the room.
Sceptile used Rock Slide.
It's super effective!
Moltres lost 71% of its health.
Moltres flinched!
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Sceptile used Rock Slide.
It's super effective!
Moltres lost 29% of its health.
Zigman's Moltres fainted.
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Zigman switched in Registeel (lvl 100 Registeel).
-Hobo- switched in Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ?).
Registeel used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
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Qwilfish used Taunt.
Registeel fell for the taunt!
Registeel used Thunder Wave.
Registeel can't use Thunder Wave after the taunt!
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Qwilfish used Spikes.
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
Registeel used Seismic Toss.
Qwilfish lost 30% of its health.
Qwilfish's leftovers restored its health a little!
Qwilfish restored 6% of its health.
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Zigman switched in Weezing (lvl 100 Weezing ?).
Qwilfish used Spikes.
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
Qwilfish's leftovers restored its health a little!
Qwilfish restored 6% of its health.
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Qwilfish used Spikes.
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
Weezing used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
Qwilfish lost 51% of its health.
Qwilfish's leftovers restored its health a little!
Qwilfish restored 6% of its health.
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-Hobo- switched in Torterra (lvl 100 Torterra ?).
Pointed stones dug into Torterra.
Torterra lost 6% of its health.
Weezing used Thunderbolt.
It doesn't affect Torterra...
---
-Hobo- switched in Houndoom (lvl 100 Houndoom ?).
Pointed stones dug into Houndoom.
Houndoom lost 25% of its health.
Weezing used Will-o-wisp.
Houndoom's Flash Fire raised its fire power!
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Houndoom used Nasty Plot.
Houndoom's special attack was sharply raised.
Weezing used Thunderbolt.
Houndoom lost 26% of its health.
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Houndoom used Dark Pulse.
Weezing lost 100% of its health.
Zigman's Weezing fainted.
Houndoom lost 10% of its health.
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Zigman switched in Heracross (lvl 100 Heracross ?).
Heracross was hurt by Spikes!
Heracross lost 25% of its health.
Houndoom used Fire Blast.
It's super effective!
Heracross lost 75% of its health.
Zigman's Heracross fainted.
Houndoom lost 10% of its health.
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Zigman switched in Registeel (lvl 100 Registeel).
Registeel was hurt by Spikes!
Registeel lost 25% of its health.
Houndoom used Fire Blast.
It's super effective!
Registeel lost 75% of its health.
Zigman's Registeel fainted.
Houndoom lost 10% of its health.
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Zigman switched in Feraligatr (lvl 100 Feraligatr ?).
Feraligatr was hurt by Spikes!
Feraligatr lost 25% of its health.
Houndoom used Dark Pulse.
Feraligatr lost 75% of its health.
Zigman's Feraligatr fainted.
-Hobo- wins!
-Hobo-: gg
Zigman has left the room.


Lol, in this one, I forgot to click UU so I ended up battling a team of OU pokemon and losing, but besides the point, I took a bit out of it because I really wanted to show you Sceptile's potential, even in OU.

Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
-Hobo- sent out Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ♂).
jas61292 sent out Jolteon (lvl 100 Jolteon ♂).
Jolteon used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Sceptile lost 82% of its health.
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
Jolteon lost 100% of its health.
jas61292's Jolteon fainted.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.

jas61292 switched in Umbreon (lvl 100 Umbreon ♂).
Sceptile used Endeavor.
Umbreon lost 87% of its health.
Umbreon used Curse.
Umbreon's speed was lowered.
Umbreon's attack was raised.
Umbreon's defence was raised.
Umbreon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Umbreon restored 6% of its health.

Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
Umbreon lost 19% of its health.
jas61292's Umbreon fainted.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.

Sceptile used Endeavor.
Espeon lost 82% of its health.
Espeon used Signal Beam.
It's super effective!
Sceptile lost 18% of its health.
-Hobo-'s Sceptile fainted


So yeah, Sceptile kills two Pokemon and took a third to 18% HP. Pretty epic if I must say. Also, comments were removed on that battle.

Ragequits are my 100% #1 arch nemeseses, but I decided to this to show the potential of everything Sceptile uses except Rock Slide.

Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause -Hobo- sent out Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ♂). balluka sent out Ambipom (lvl 100 Ambipom ♂). Sceptile used Quick Attack. Ambipom lost 14% of its health. Ambipom used Fake Out. Sceptile lost 46% of its health.

Sceptile used Leaf Storm. Ambipom lost 86% of its health. balluka's Ambipom fainted. Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.

balluka switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ♂). Sceptile used Endeavor. Ludicolo lost 52% of its health. Ludicolo used Ice Beam. It's super effective! Sceptile lost 54% of its health. -Hobo-'s Sceptile fainted. Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.

-Hobo- switched in Rotom (lvl 100 Rotom). balluka switched in Omastar (lvl 100 Omastar ♂). Rotom used Substitute. Rotom lost 25% of its health. Rotom made a substitute! Rotom's leftovers restored its health a little! Rotom restored 6% of its health.

Rotom used Thunderbolt. It's super effective! Omastar lost 100% of its health. balluka's Omastar fainted. Rotom's leftovers restored its health a little! Rotom restored 6% of its health.

balluka has left the room. -Hobo- wins!


Here is an other one. Shows the Power of every move Sceptile has to offer.

-Hobo- sent out Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ♂).
zubudubudu sent out Ledian (lvl 100 Ledian ♂).
Sceptile used Rock Slide.
It's super effective!
Ledian lost 100% of its health.
Ledian hung on using its Focus Sash!
Ledian used Agility.
Ledian's speed was sharply raised.

Sceptile used Quick Attack.
Ledian lost 0% of its health.
zubudubudu's Ledian fainted.

zubudubudu switched in Hitmontop (lvl 100 Hitmontop ♂).
Hitmontop's Intimidate cut Sceptile's attack!
-Hobo- switched in Rotom (lvl 100 Rotom).
Hitmontop used Close Combat.
It doesn't affect Rotom...

Rotom used Substitute.
Rotom lost 25% of its health.
Rotom made a substitute!
Hitmontop used Pursuit.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Rotom!
Rotom's substitute faded!
Rotom's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom restored 6% of its health.

Rotom used Thunderbolt.
Hitmontop lost 40% of its health.
Hitmontop used Pursuit.
It's super effective!
Rotom lost 49% of its health.
Hitmontop lost 10% of its health.
Rotom's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom restored 6% of its health.

Rotom used Thunderbolt.
Hitmontop lost 42% of its health.
Hitmontop used Pursuit.
It's super effective!
Rotom lost 38% of its health.
-Hobo-'s Rotom fainted.
Hitmontop lost 8% of its health.
zubudubudu's Hitmontop fainted.

-Hobo- switched in Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ♂).
zubudubudu switched in Floatzel (lvl 100 Floatzel ♂).
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
Sceptile's attack missed!
Floatzel used Ice Punch.
It's super effective!
Sceptile lost 100% of its health.
Sceptile hung on using its Focus Sash!
Floatzel lost 10% of its health.

zubudubudu switched in Venusaur (lvl 100 Venusaur ♂).
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
It's not very effective...
Venusaur lost 25% of its health.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Venusaur's leftovers restored its health a little!
Venusaur restored 6% of its health.

Sceptile used Endeavor.
Venusaur lost 80% of its health.
Venusaur used Substitute.
But it failed!
Venusaur's leftovers restored its health a little!
Venusaur restored 6% of its health.

Sceptile used Quick Attack.
A critical hit!
Venusaur lost 6% of its health.
zubudubudu's Venusaur fainted.

-Hobo-: useless crit :/
zubudubudu switched in Mismagius (lvl 100 Mismagius ♂).
Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
Mismagius lost 52% of its health.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.
Mismagius used Shadow Ball.
Sceptile lost 0% of its health.
-Hobo-'s Sceptile fainted.
Mismagius's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mismagius restored 6% of its health.

-Hobo- switched in Houndoom (lvl 100 Houndoom ♂).
Houndoom used Nasty Plot.
Houndoom's special attack was sharply raised.
Mismagius used Substitute.
Mismagius lost 25% of its health.
Mismagius made a substitute!
Mismagius's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mismagius restored 6% of its health.

Houndoom used Dark Pulse.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Mismagius!
Mismagius's substitute faded!
Mismagius used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Houndoom lost 63% of its health.
Mismagius's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mismagius restored 6% of its health.

zubudubudu switched in Omastar (lvl 100 Omastar ♂).
Houndoom used Sucker Punch.
But it failed!

Houndoom used Dark Pulse.
Omastar lost 85% of its health.
Houndoom lost 10% of its health.
Omastar used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
Omastar's leftovers restored its health a little!
Omastar restored 6% of its health.

Houndoom used Dark Pulse.
Omastar lost 21% of its health.
zubudubudu's Omastar fainted.
Houndoom lost 10% of its health.

zubudubudu switched in Floatzel (lvl 100 Floatzel ♂).
Houndoom used Sucker Punch.
Floatzel lost 70% of its health.
Houndoom lost 10% of its health.
Floatzel used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Houndoom lost 8% of its health.
-Hobo-'s Houndoom fainted.
Floatzel lost 10% of its health.

-Hobo- switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ♂).
Pointed stones dug into Kabutops.
Kabutops lost 12% of its health.
Floatzel used Waterfall.
Kabutops lost 61% of its health.
Floatzel lost 10% of its health.
zubudubudu's Floatzel fainted.
Kabutops used Rapid Spin.
But there was no target!

zubudubudu switched in Mismagius (lvl 100 Mismagius ♂).
Kabutops used Aqua Jet.
Mismagius lost 41% of its health.
zubudubudu's Mismagius fainted.
-Hobo- wins!
zubudubudu has left the room.


I'm definatley overloading on logs, but here is one that shows how much more superior Endeavor is the EQ

-Hobo- sent out Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ♂).
Misty May sent out Ambipom (lvl 100 Ambipom ♀).
Sceptile used Quick Attack.
Ambipom lost 14% of its health.
Ambipom used Fake Out.
Sceptile lost 52% of its health.

Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
Ambipom lost 86% of its health.
Misty May's Ambipom fainted.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.

Misty May switched in Registeel (lvl 100 Registeel).
-Hobo- switched in Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ♂).
Registeel used Toxic.

Qwilfish used Taunt.
Registeel fell for the taunt!
Registeel used Thunder Wave.
Registeel can't use Thunder Wave after the taunt!

Misty May switched in Slowbro (lvl 100 Slowbro ♂).
Qwilfish used Spikes.
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!

Qwilfish used Taunt.
Slowbro fell for the taunt!
Slowbro used Calm Mind.
Slowbro can't use Calm Mind after the taunt!

-Hobo- switched in Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ♂).
Slowbro used Psychic.
Sceptile lost 45% of its health.

Misty May switched in Registeel (lvl 100 Registeel).
Registeel was hurt by Spikes!
Registeel lost 12% of its health.
Sceptile used Endeavor.
Registeel lost 85% of its health.
Registeel's leftovers restored its health a little!
Registeel restored 6% of its health.

Sceptile used Leaf Storm.
It's not very effective...
Registeel lost 9% of its health.
Misty May's Registeel fainted.
Sceptile's special attack was harshly lowered.

Misty May switched in Dugtrio (lvl 100 Dugtrio ♂).
Dugtrio was hurt by Spikes!
Dugtrio lost 12% of its health.
Sceptile used Endeavor.
Dugtrio lost 83% of its health.
Dugtrio used Earthquake.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Sceptile lost 3% of its health.
-Hobo-'s Sceptile fainted.
Dugtrio lost 4% of its health.
Misty May's Dugtrio fainted.

-Hobo-: no sucker punch???
-Hobo- switched in Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ♂).
Misty May switched in Heracross (lvl 100 Heracross ♂).
Heracross was hurt by Spikes!
Heracross lost 12% of its health.
Heracross used Stone Edge.
Qwilfish lost 36% of its health.
Qwilfish used Spikes.
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
Qwilfish's leftovers restored its health a little!
Qwilfish restored 6% of its health.

Heracross used Stone Edge.
Qwilfish lost 34% of its health.
Qwilfish used Spikes.
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
Qwilfish's leftovers restored its health a little!
Qwilfish restored 6% of its health.

Misty May switched in Mismagius (lvl 100 Mismagius ♀).
Qwilfish used Pain Split.
Qwilfish restored 18% of its health.
Mismagius lost 23% of its health.
Qwilfish's leftovers restored its health a little!
Qwilfish restored 6% of its health.

Mismagius used Shadow Ball.
Qwilfish lost 63% of its health.
Mismagius lost 10% of its health.
Qwilfish used Taunt.
Mismagius fell for the taunt!
Qwilfish's leftovers restored its health a little!
Qwilfish restored 6% of its health.

-Hobo- switched in Houndoom (lvl 100 Houndoom ♂).
Mismagius used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Houndoom lost 75% of its health.
Mismagius lost 10% of its health.

Houndoom used Sucker Punch.
It's super effective!
Mismagius lost 57% of its health.
Misty May's Mismagius fainted.
Houndoom lost 10% of its health.

Misty May switched in Heracross (lvl 100 Heracross ♂).
Heracross was hurt by Spikes!
Heracross lost 25% of its health.
-Hobo- switched in Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ♂).
Heracross used Close Combat.
It's not very effective...
Qwilfish lost 9% of its health.
-Hobo-'s Qwilfish fainted.
Heracross's defence was lowered.
Heracross's special defence was lowered.

-Hobo- switched in Rotom (lvl 100 Rotom).
Misty May switched in Slowbro (lvl 100 Slowbro ♂).
Slowbro was hurt by Spikes!
Slowbro lost 25% of its health.
Rotom used Substitute.
Rotom lost 25% of its health.
Rotom made a substitute!
Rotom's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom restored 6% of its health.
Slowbro's leftovers restored its health a little!
Slowbro restored 6% of its health.

Rotom used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
Slowbro lost 81% of its health.
Misty May's Slowbro fainted.
Rotom's leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom restored 6% of its health.

Misty May switched in Heracross (lvl 100 Heracross ♂).
Heracross was hurt by Spikes!
Heracross lost 25% of its health.
Heracross used Pursuit.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Rotom!
Rotom's substitute faded!
Rotom used Thunderbolt.
Heracross lost 38% of its health.
Misty May's Heracross fainted.
-Hobo- wins!
Misty May has left the room.
-Hobo-: gg


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Ambipom: Quick Attack on the Fake Out then Leaf Storm for the KO. Win
Uxie: I'm a settup fodder. Loss
Mesprit: Same as Uxie. Loss
Omastar: Double weakness to grass :/ Quick Attack rapes sashers (it's my only 100% accuracy move) Win
Qwilfish: Leaf Storm Breaks the sash, Quick attack finishes off. Qwilfish that poison jab me just activate overgrow and make endeavor useful. Win
Alakazam: Leaf Storm to break the sash, then Quick Attack. Win
Hippopotas: ^ Win
Cloyster: ^ Win


80% of leads? not bad if I must say so.

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LIFE ORB V.S. FOCUS SASH

Life Orb -
Allows a 2HKO on Mesprit
Can prepare for a late game sweeper (somewhat)
gets KOs on Scyther and Moltres, who will otherwise hit you with SE STAB.
gives random kills on things that can be useful

Focus Sash -
Allows use of endeavor
makes overgrow more useful
beats exploding leads
 
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Tested this set on ladder and it did better than I expected, the only lead I found some problem with was lead destiny bond Mismagius, which isn't even a problem since it can't set up or anything. Great set.
 

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Thanks. yeah, missy, it can be annoying sometimes but Leaf Storm should 2HKO non-bulky variants. I can add pursuit Spritiomb to the teammates. I have a Houndoom on my team that destroys it too.
 

Zigman

After getting sort of owned by you with this (in my defense, I was testing out new pokemon on my team and didn't really know what I was doing, but anyways...) I picked the set because I saw the potential of it (see log #1 hehe). I love it. Nice set dude!
 

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Hello. I got your message. Please don't hesitate to contact me again in the future if you need help with a set.

Looking at this set, I see some changes that would make it better:

- I am not seeing the appeal of Focus Sash. Nothing commonly found in the lead position can ohko Sceptile except Moltres, Swellow, Arcanine, and Pinsir. While Rock Slide takes out Moltres, it's not going to be hitting Swellow (it'll just U-Turn on you) and it'll be doing next to nothing against Arcanine due to Intimidate. Pinsir commonly carries Quick Attack itself, and your Rock Slide -> Quick Attack won't KO it before it KOs you with X-Scissor -> Quick Attack. Therefore, Focus Sash pretty much just helps you against Moltres and maybe the occasional Venomoth. There are better items it could be given.
Lum Berry would greatly benefit you against Uxie and Mesprit (both of who enjoy statusing Sceptile) as well as against sleep leads like Jumpluff and the rarer Butterfree.
Life Orb as an item is even better, as it lets you beat Moltres and Scyther (Rock Slide does not ohko either without Life Orb, and Scyther beats you with Quick Attack) and guarantees that you beat Ambipom (Silk Scarf Ambipom can actually beat this set because Fake Out -> Return KOs while Leaf Storm isn't guaranteed a KO back 40% of the time). Life Orb also gives your attacks a bit more oomph, giving you the power to ohko things you normally couldn't, such as Regirock (94 max without Life Orb, 103 min with Life Orb).

- Sorry Thund, not having Focus Sash means Endeavor becomes pointless. Grasswhistle is shit, so that shouldn't be there either...so the best moves in this slot would either be HP Ice (Jumpluff leads/Venusaur switch-ins) or Substitute (status blocking). I'd lean towards Substitute and possibly a slash with Quick Attack for HP Ice.

Those are the quick theorymon changes I noticed. Will test and get back.
 

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FlareBlitz said:
Hello. I got your message. Please don't hesitate to contact me again in the future if you need help with a set.

Looking at this set, I see some changes that would make it better:

- I am not seeing the appeal of Focus Sash. Nothing commonly found in the lead position can ohko Sceptile except Moltres, Swellow, Arcanine, and Pinsir. While Rock Slide takes out Moltres, it's not going to be hitting Swellow (it'll just U-Turn on you) and it'll be doing next to nothing against Arcanine due to Intimidate. Pinsir commonly carries Quick Attack itself, and your Rock Slide -> Quick Attack won't KO it before it KOs you with X-Scissor -> Quick Attack. Therefore, Focus Sash pretty much just helps you against Moltres and maybe the occasional Venomoth. There are better items it could be given.
Lum Berry would greatly benefit you against Uxie and Mesprit (both of who enjoy statusing Sceptile) as well as against sleep leads like Jumpluff and the rarer Butterfree.
Life Orb as an item is even better, as it lets you beat Moltres and Scyther (Rock Slide does not ohko either without Life Orb, and Scyther beats you with Quick Attack) and guarantees that you beat Ambipom (Silk Scarf Ambipom can actually beat this set because Fake Out -> Return KOs while Leaf Storm isn't guaranteed a KO back 40% of the time). Life Orb also gives your attacks a bit more oomph, giving you the power to ohko things you normally couldn't, such as Regirock (94 max without Life Orb, 103 min with Life Orb).

- Sorry Thund, not having Focus Sash means Endeavor becomes pointless. Grasswhistle is shit, so that shouldn't be there either...so the best moves in this slot would either be HP Ice (Jumpluff leads/Venusaur switch-ins) or Substitute (status blocking). I'd lean towards Substitute and possibly a slash with Quick Attack for HP Ice.

Those are the quick theorymon changes I noticed. Will test and get back.
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Thanks so much FlareBlitz!
Actually, Focus Sash is way better than it looks on paper. For example, I'll go with the last team I just faced. After beating an Electrode with Focus Sash + Quick Attack, all it got was rain dance, then he sent out Ludicolo. It Ice Beamed me, I endeavored, then Quick Attacked for the KO. Without sash, IB would have killed me.
Lum Berry does help Against the pixies though, but I don't see why I would be staying in on them anyway (Mesprit always U-turns, Uxie decides never to die). I guess Lum Berry can move into the actual set, but I think Focus Sash should definatly stay on the set.
wut was that about ambipom? Leaf Storm does 123% - 145.4%.
Life Orb seems like a great choice, I'll definatly slash that in, but I agree with Thund, Sash should be the main choice :/

I hate rejecting your choice, but Focus Sash can definatly beat many things to all our surprising. I think this is one of those tihngs that you will only find out when you test this, but as you said, you havn't tested it yet so nothing you said was bad at all.

So yeah, Life Orb and Lum Berry can definatly be bumped up to the real set. I can slash HP Ice over Rock Slide, but Quick Attack is kinda a must to beat Alakazam and Electrode.

Thanks so much for these suggestions.

Also, Thund and FlareBlitz, I would definatly appreciate some Approval or Rejection if you can =]

Also, thanks for the complement Zigman.
 

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Check your calcs, Focus Sash Sceptile does 94.8% - 111.7% to Ambipom with Leaf Storm (you seem to have Life Orb on for your calc), meaning there's roughly a 40% chance that Ambipom will be able to survive and retaliate with Return. This means that, without Life Orb, Sceptile loses to one of the leads it supposedly has a great matchup against. That's one of the major reasons why I recommended Life Orb in the first place.

While Focus Sash does have situational uses like the one with Electrode, you're better off being able to beat Ambipom (need life orb to guarantee KO), Scyther (need life orb to KO at all), Mesprit (Leaf Storm 2hkos with Life Orb, sub can block status, without life orb Mesprit can just u-turn and break your sash while you do mehish damage) and Regirock (without life orb it thunder waves you and sets up rocks, leaving you essentially 5-5 with hazards on your side...)

In my playtesting so far I haven't encountered any lead that is capable of KOing Sceptile in one shot except a Swellow (which promptly U-Turned to an Arcanine, and U-Turn didn't even take enough health to make my Endeavor useful...), meaning both Endeavor and Life Orb have been wasted items. This might have been a much better set in the whorelass metagame...but for now, it's mostly Ambipom and [bulky lead here], both of which really limit the use of both Focus Sash and Endeavor.
 
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SOMALIA

It really is based on how the opponent reacts/plays:

Scenario 1: Sceptile used quick attack fake out failed sceptile leaf storms.
Scenario 2: Sceptile used quick attack Ambipomb used u-turn.

Either way without anticipating your set the opponent would love to go for the fake out first so it's still safe against the majority of Ambipomb leads.
 

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FlareBlitz said:
Check your calcs, Focus Sash Sceptile does 94.8% - 111.7% to Ambipom with Leaf Storm (you seem to have Life Orb on for your calc), meaning there's roughly a 40% chance that Ambipom will be able to survive and retaliate with Return. This means that, without Life Orb, Sceptile loses to one of the leads it supposedly has a great matchup against. That's one of the major reasons why I recommended Life Orb in the first place.

While Focus Sash does have situational uses like the one with Electrode, you're better off being able to beat Ambipom (need life orb to guarantee KO), Scyther (need life orb to KO at all), Mesprit (Leaf Storm 2hkos with Life Orb, sub can block status, without life orb Mesprit can just u-turn and break your sash while you do mehish damage) and Regirock (without life orb it thunder waves you and sets up rocks, leaving you essentially 5-5 with hazards on your side...)

In my playtesting so far I haven't encountered any lead that is capable of KOing Sceptile in one shot except a Swellow (which promptly U-Turned to an Arcanine, and U-Turn didn't even take enough health to make my Endeavor useful...), meaning both Endeavor and Life Orb have been wasted items. This might have been a much better set in the whorelass metagame...but for now, it's mostly Ambipom and [bulky lead here], both of which really limit the use of both Focus Sash and Endeavor.
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Thanks so much for the feedback! Yeah, I ran my calc wrong lol :/ BUT, if I use Quick Attack before he Fake Outs, he will have ~86% health left (not a calc, but experience, so I don't know where in the range that is.) So, they both beat Ambipom, but Life Orb trades 10% of it's health for the ability to keep it's item, meaning it's a lot stronger, so you've convinced me; Life Orb it is =]. I dunno bout sub though. True, it can trick people into thinking it's a subseeder, but in my tens of battles with Sceptile, I've never really had a free turn (except Stealth Rockers that try to set up on me, but they have all been steel or Miltank) so sub might be kinda infearear to some things. I think Leaf Storm, Rock Slide, HP Ice, and Quick Attack with Life Orb equiped will be the best choice.

Meeseeroll said:
Great, I have to say that this is a great thread I have ever seen. Thank you for this great read. Its really very informative and interesting too.

I am new here.

Regards,

Meesee
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Thanks a lot, this is my third C&C set, and the only one that has been successful so far lol so it's nice to get people to like it =]

SOMALIA said:
It really is based on how the opponent reacts/plays:

Scenario 1: Sceptile used quick attack fake out failed sceptile leaf storms.
Scenario 2: Sceptile used quick attack Ambipomb used u-turn.

Either way without anticipating your set the opponent would love to go for the fake out first so it's still safe against the majority of Ambipomb leads.
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Scenario 1 is the only one that will actually happen, because who doesn't want a free dent? If I Quick Attack, Fake Out won't fail. If I use Life Orb and don't use Quick Attack the first turn, I save myself 10% of my HP, and Leaf Storm will kill, which I now have realized is superior.

Thanks a lot FlareBlitz! I've already tested the Life Orb set and it's a lot better so I guess I can just smack it on there.
 

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I'm actually fine with Focus Sash slashed in with Life Orb, but make sure you mention the pros/cons.
 

sharkz

SOMALIA said:
Fake out fails if a faster attack hits first and Sceptile has the greater speed if im correct.
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might be wrong, but AFAIK Fake Out won't outright fail if the other poke is faster and used a priority atk, it will simply hit after Quick Attack, without flinch.
 

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SOMALIA said:
Fake out fails if a faster attack hits first and Sceptile has the greater speed if im correct.
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sharkz said:
might be wrong, but AFAIK Fake Out won't outright fail if the other poke is faster and used a priority atk, it will simply hit after Quick Attack, without flinch.
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Fake Out will always hit normally, as long as it's the first turn the pokemon attacks. If a faster priority move is used, Fake Out will simply follow the rules of priority and hit after, losing it's Flinch effect. The only move that fails unless it goes first is Sucker Punch.

FlareBlitz said:
I'm actually fine with Focus Sash slashed in with Life Orb, but make sure you mention the pros/cons.
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I guess I could use some Pros and cons, but I'd rather keep Life Orb as the primary option as you said before anyway.

Anything else?

EDIT: HP Ice hasn't been doing crap for me. Maybe it's just me, but it has really low damage input to anything I try to hit it with. It 3HKOs 0/0 Venusaur...Flying pokemon usually take more from Rock Slide anyway.
 

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Sorry I thought I had already stamped this .____. In the future, if you make all the changes I point out and I don't stamp it, message me.
 

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Ok thanks so much for the stamps guys =] I'm kinda new to this...I change the prefix to copyediting then write the analysis?

EDIT: Oh it's already changed lol ok so do I write an analysis now? sorry bout my C&C noobness =/
 

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Yes, you have to write the analysis.

Make sure you look at some of the other analyses in the "uploaded" section or other "copyediting" analyses and understand the formatting and the standards of prose and grammar/punctuation expected from C&C, this will save you some time in edits and prevent you from pissing off the GP folks.
 
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