Dewgong (Update)

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On-site analysis lacks depth and could use with an update

[Overview]
<p>Dewgong has never been a common sight in the UU metagame. It's severely outclassed by its cousin Walrein, in terms of both overall stats and ability. Dewgong's defensive stats should by no means be dismissed, however, and its unique ability, Hydration, distinguishes it from its Water- and Ice-type brethren. Dewgong's part Ice typing is quite a mixed blessing. STAB Ice-type moves are always welcome on any team, hitting many common Pokemon super effectively. Defensively, however, Dewgong's Ice typing does it no favors. Stealth Rock hinders Dewgong's ability to tank attacks, as taking 25% damage each time it switches in will wear it down very quickly. But even with these drawbacks taken into consideration, Dewgong can still act as a decent tank in UU play, with handy resistances to the omnipresent Ice- and Water-type attacks.</p>


[SET]
name: Rain Dance
move 1: Rain Dance
move 2: Surf
move 3: Ice Beam / Toxic
move 4: Rest
item: Damp Rock / Leftovers
ability: Hydration
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 162 SpA / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set is based around utilizing Dewgong's ability, Hydration. After Rain Dance is set up, Rest becomes a means of recovery that is both instantaneous and reliable. STAB Surf in the rain will hit any Pokemon that does not resist it for significant damage. Ice Beam is Dewgong's second STAB move, which, when paired with Surf, provides excellent all-around coverage. Toxic is a useful option to consider, depending on the rest of your team; it can cripple bulky walls such as Milotic and Chansey, forcing them to either switch out or die, which can be an effective way to rack up damage if entry hazards are present.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>At a glance, the EV spread might appear to be rather haphazard; however, it is in fact quite simple and effective. 96 Speed EVs guarantee that Dewgong will outspeed notable threats such as max Speed Aggron and Rock Polish Torterra (before the boost). 252 HP EVs give it as much bulk as possible, while the remaining EVs are dumped into Special Attack to give Dewgong some much needed offensive firepower. Unfortunately, since there aren't any Pokemon in the UU metagame that can set up permanent rain, Dewgong is left to perform that task for itself. Thanks to its bulk, it can take a hit or two, set up rain, and let teammates such as Kabutops and Ludicolo wreak havoc. Damp Rock should always be Dewgong's primary item choice, as it grants three (very much appreciated) additional turns of rain. However, if you have other Pokemon to set up rain on the team, then Leftovers is a good alternative.</p>


[OPTIONAL CHANGES]
<p>Dewgong can also use a physically based set with Waterfall and Avalanche instead of Surf and Ice Beam; if you decide to use this set, the EVs and nature should of course be changed accordingly. Ice Shard and Aqua Jet both get STAB, but still do a pitiful amount of damage, even against Pokemon that are weak to them. Blizzard is a viable option if you are using Dewgong in a hail based team, as the additional Base Power is greatly welcomed. Signal Beam is the only other attacking option available for Dewgong, besides Hidden Power, but is considered redundant, as Ice Beam offers pretty much the same type coverage while hitting Dark- and Psychic-types almost as hard, thanks to STAB. Dewgong can try pseudo-hazing with Perish Song, but this is usually better left to more defensive Pokemon like Lapras. An interesting alternative is Encore, which can force switches or create openings for fellow sweepers, allowing them to set up on an opposing Pokemon that is locked into an unthreatening move. Thick Fat can replace Hydration outside of rain, but you're still better off using other bulky Water-type Pokemon such as Milotic or Blastoise.</p>


[TEAM OPTIONS]
<p>Rapid Spin support is greatly appreciated by Dewgong, as losing 25% of its health to Stealth Rock upon every switchin is not desirable. Donphan can take Electric- and Rock-type attacks aimed at Dewgong and has access to both Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin, making it an ideal partner. Offensive Fire-type Pokemon such as Arcanine and Blaziken also make great teammates, as they can remove Chansey and Registeel, two major annoyances to Dewgong. Dugtrio can come in on an Electric-type Pokemon, such as Manectric and Raichu, trap it, and proceed to destroy it with STAB Earthquake. Chansey can easily take any special attack aimed at Dewgong, thanks to its gigantic HP and Special Defense stats, while Hitmontop and Registeel can take most physical attacks. Pokemon with the Swift Swim ability, most notably Kabutops and Ludicolo, can abuse the rain that Dewgong sets up.</p>

[COUNTERS]
<p>With its poor offensive stats, Dewgong certainly doesn't pose much of threat to most of the metagame. Bulky Water-type Pokemon such as Milotic and Blastoise have nothing to fear, except for Toxic; if they are running a RestTalk sets, then they can switch into Dewgong with absolute impunity. Clefable is immune to status and boasts great Special Defense, making it an ideal counter; it is able to inflict status on, set up on, or Encore Dewgong. Poliwrath can easily switch in on any move not named Toxic, set up a Substitute, and proceed to pummel Dewgong with STAB Focus Punch. Bulky Pokemon in general that either are immune to Toxic or can remove status afflictions can easily set up on Dewgong. Trick users immediately cripple Dewgong by locking it into a move, forcing it to switch. Having Stealth Rock up will limit how freely Dewgong can switch in and out, hindering its performance.</p>
 

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Rain set is ok but I'm somewhat unsure about the Hail one. To me, it looks like Dewgong is trying absurdely hard to be Walrein, and failing in the process.
 
Thank you Heysup and Bluewind. Agreed that Walrein outclasses this set pretty much. Despite that this set works well being able to outspeed quite alot of Pokemon that Walrein fails to that it can OHKO such as Torterra and Aggron, also access to Encore is pretty nifty. Like you said there isn't any major reason why one would use this instead of walrein ;) Should I remove?
 

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I agree; I don't see why Dewgong needs a specialized hail set. Just in OC mention it has Encore and that it can use STAB Blizzard + hail. Otherwise looks fine.
 

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hydrate yourself with mountain dewgong

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[Overview]
<p>Dewgong has never been a common sight on any sort of team in the UU metagame. thanks to it being It's severely outclassed by cousin Walrein, which has better in terms of both overall stats and a unique ability. Despite that Its defensive stats are should by no means be dismissed, however, a pushover and Gamefreak did well by giving it something that would to distinguish it from other its Water/Ice-type brethren, its namely the ability Hydration. Dewgong being The part Ice typing Ice-type is quite a mixed blessing bag. STAB Ice-type moves are always welcome on any team, hitting taking care of quite a big number a large proportion of Pokemon super effectively although this also comes with some weaknesses. When it comes to the defensive, however, Dewgong's Ice typing does it no favours. Stealth Rock hinders Dewgong's ability to tank attacks, as taking 25% damage each time it switches comes in will wear it down very quickly considerably fast. But even with these the drawbacks taken into consideration considered, Dewgong is can still act as a decent tank in UU play, with handy resistances to the omnipresent Ice- and Water-type attacks.</p>

[SET]
name: Weather
move 1: Rain Dance
move 2: Surf
move 3: Ice Beam / Toxic
move 4: Rest
item: Damp Rock / Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 162 SpA / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set is based around utilizing Dewgong's ability Hydration. With Rain Dance set up, Rest becomes a more reliable means of recovering its health recovery that is both instantaneous and reliable. STAB Surf in the rain will hit any Pokemon that does not resist it for significant damage and for overall coverage. Ice Beam is Dewgong's second STAB move which, when paired with Surf, provides excellent all-round around coverage with only a handful of Pokemon resisiting both moves. Rest is Dewgong's only method of recovery and while Rain is up and does not require the usual two turns of sleep. Toxic is an option to consider and can be useful depending on your team; it can cripple bulky walls such as Milotic and Chansey, and force forcing them to either switch out or die, which can be an effective way to rack up damage if entry hazards are present set.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>At a glance, the EV spread might appear to be rather haphazard, misshaped and have no real meaning however, it is in fact quite simple and effective. 96 Speed EVs guarantee that Dewgong will outspeed notable threats such as Jolly Aggron and Rock Polish Torterra. 252 HP EVs is to give it as much bulk as possible, and the remaining EVs are dumped into Special Attack to give Dewgong some much needed offensive firepower. Unfortunately, since there sadly isn't aren't any Pokemon in the UU metagame that which can set up permanent rain, Dewgong is left to perform with that task for itself. Since it is quite bulky Thanks to its bulk, it can take a hit or two, set up rain, and let Pokemon teammates such as Kabutops and Ludicolo wreak havoc. Damp Rock should always be your primary item choice as it grants additional turns of rain which is very much appreciated. However, if you have other rain setup Pokemon on the team, then Leftovers is a good alternative hold item would be Leftovers.</p>

[OPTIONAL CHANGES]
<p>Dewgong can use a physically based set with Surf and Ice Beam being replaced with Waterfall and Avalanche instead of Surf and Ice Beam, and then fix the EVs and nature should of course be changed accordingly. Ice Shard and Aqua Jet both get STAB, but still do a pitiful amount of damage to even Pokemon that are weak to them. Blizzard is a viable option if you are using Dewgong in a Hail based team, as the additional Base Power is greatly welcomed. Signal Beam is the only other attacking option available for Dewgong, besides Hidden Power, but is considered redundant as it has awful type coverage since Ice Beam already covers almost the same types, and is almost as powerful against Psychic- and Dark-types when STAB is factored in as Signal Beam is. Dewgong can try pseudo-hazing with Perish Song, but this is usually better left to more defensive Pokemon such as Lapras. An interesting alternative is Encore, which can force switches, or be used to create openings for fellow sweepers, allowing them to set up on a an opponent locked into a non-threatening move that they are immune to or resist and force switches.</p>


[TEAM OPTIONS]
<p>Rapid Spin support is greatly appreciated by Dewgong, as losing 25% of its health in upon every switch in is not desirable. Donphan can take Electric- and Rock-type attacks aimed at Dewgong, and also has access to both Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin, making it the dream an ideal partner for this seal. Offensive Fire-type Pokemon such as Arcanine and Blaziken make great teammates as they can remove Chansey and Registeel, two major annoyances to Dewgong, from play. Dugtrio can come in on an Electric-type Pokemon, such as Manectric and Raichu, on an Electric-type attack, trap them, and proceed to destroy them with STAB Earthquake. Chansey can easily take any form of special attack aimed at Dewgong with thanks to its gigantic HP and Special Defense stats, and while Hitmontop and Registeel can take most physical attacks. Pokemon with the Swift Swim ability, namely most notably Kabutops and Ludicolo, can abuse the rain set up by Dewgong.</p>

[COUNTERS]
<p>With its poor offensive stats, there isn't much of a threat Dewgong certainly doesn't pose much of a threat poses to the metagame. Bulky Water-type Pokemon such as Milotic and Blastoise have nothing to fear, except for Toxic if they are not running a RestTalk set. Clefable is immune to status and boasts great Special Defense, making it an ideal counter; being it is able to inflict status, set up, or Encore Dewgong. Poliwrath whom which resists Dewgong's STAB moves can easily switch in on any move not named called Toxic, and set up a Substitute, and proceed to pummel Dewgong hit with STAB Focus Punch. Bulky Pokemon in general that are either immune to Toxic or pack a status healing move can easily set up on Dewgong. Trick users immediately cripple Dewgong by giving it permanent status problems or locking it into a move, forcing it to switch. This said, Having Stealth Rock up will limit how freely Dewgong can switch in and out, hindering and hinder its performance.</p>


lots of edits to be made here unfortunately
let me know when youve made the changes so i can stamp

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[Overview]
<p>Dewgong has never been a common sight in the UU metagame. It's severely outclassed by its cousin Walrein, in terms of both overall stats and ability. Dewgon's defensive stats should by no means be dismissed, however, and Gamefreak did well by giving it something to its unique ability, Hydration, distinguishes it from its Water- and Ice-type brethren, namely the ability Hydration. Dewgong's part Ice typing is quite a mixed blessing. STAB Ice-type moves are always welcome on any team, hitting a large proportion of many common Pokemon super effectively. When it comes to the Defensively, however, Dewgong's Ice typing does it no favors. Stealth Rock hinders Dewgong's ability to tank attacks, as taking 25% damage each time it switches in will wear it down very quickly. But even with these drawbacks taken into consideration, Dewgong can still act as a decent tank in UU play, with handy resistances to the omnipresent Ice- and Water-type attacks.</p>

[SET]
name: Weather (a better name would help...maybe just 'Rain Dance'?)
move 1: Rain Dance
move 2: Surf
move 3: Ice Beam / Toxic
move 4: Rest
item: Damp Rock / Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 162 SpA / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set is based around utilizing Dewgong's ability, Hydration. With After Rain Dance is set up, Rest becomes a means of recovery that is both instantaneous and reliable. STAB Surf in the rain will hit any Pokemon that does not resist it for significant damage. Ice Beam is Dewgong's second STAB move, which, when paired with Surf, provides excellent all-around coverage. Toxic is a useful option to consider, and can be useful depending on the rest of your team; it can cripple bulky walls such as Milotic and Chansey, forcing them to either switch out or die, which can be an effective way to rack up damage if entry hazards are present.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>At a glance, the EV spread might appear to be rather haphazard; however, it is in fact quite simple and effective. 96 Speed EVs guarantee that Dewgong will outspeed notable threats such as max Speed Aggron and Rock Polish Torterra (before the boost). 252 HP EVs give it as much bulk as possible, while the remaining EVs are dumped into Special Attack to give Dewgong some much needed offensive firepower. Unfortunately, since there aren't any Pokemon in the UU metagame that can set up permanent rain, Dewgong is left to perform that task for itself. Thanks to its bulk, it can take a hit or two, set up rain, and let teammates such as Kabutops and Ludicolo wreak havoc. Damp Rock should always be Dewgong's primary item choice, as it grants three (very much appreciated) additional turns of rain which is very much appreciated. However, if you have other rain setup Pokemon to set up rain on the team, then Leftovers is a good alternative.</p>

[OPTIONAL CHANGES]
<p>Dewgong can also use a physically based set with Waterfall and Avalanche instead of Surf and Ice Beam; if you decide to use this set, the EVs and nature should of course be changed accordingly. Ice Shard and Aqua Jet both get STAB, but still do a pitiful amount of damage, even against to even Pokemon that are weak to them. Blizzard is a viable option if you are using Dewgong in a hail based team, as the additional Base Power is greatly welcomed. Signal Beam is the only other attacking option available for Dewgong, besides Hidden Power, but is considered redundant, as Ice Beam offers pretty much the same type coverage while hitting Dark- and Psychic-types almost as hard, thanks to STAB covers almost the same types, and is almost as powerful against Psychic- and Dark-types when STAB is factored in. Dewgong can try pseudo-hazing with Perish Song, but this is usually better left to more defensive Pokemon like Lapras. An interesting alternative is Encore, which can force switches, or be used to create openings for fellow sweepers, allowing them to set up on an opposing Pokemon that is locked into an unthreatening move.</p>


[TEAM OPTIONS]
<p>Rapid Spin support is greatly appreciated by Dewgong, as losing 25% of its health to Stealth Rock upon every switchin is not desirable. Donphan can take Electric- and Rock-type attacks aimed at Dewgong, and has access to both Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin, making it an ideal partner. Offensive Fire-type Pokemon such as Arcanine and Blaziken also make great teammates, as they can remove Chansey and Registeel, two major annoyances to Dewgong, from play. Dugtrio can come in on an Electric-type Pokemon, such as Manectric and Raichu, trap it, and proceed to destroy it with STAB Earthquake. Chansey can easily take any form of special attack aimed at Dewgong, thanks to its gigantic HP and Special Defense stats, while Hitmontop and Registeel can take most physical attacks. Pokemon with the Swift Swim ability, most notably Kabutops and Ludicolo, can abuse the rain that Dewgong sets up.</p>

[COUNTERS]
<p>With its poor offensive stats, Dewgong certainly doesn't pose much of threat to most of the metagame. Bulky Water-type Pokemon such as Milotic and Blastoise have nothing to fear, except for Toxic; if they are not running a RestTalk sets, then they can switch into Dewgong with absolute impunity. Clefable is immune to status and boasts great Special Defense, making it an ideal counter; it is able to inflict status on, set up on, or Encore Dewgong. Poliwrath can easily switch in on any move not named Toxic, set up a Substitute, and proceed to pummel Dewgong with STAB Focus Punch. Bulky Pokemon in general that either are either immune to Toxic or pack a status healing move can remove status afflictions can easily set up on Dewgong. Trick users immediately cripple Dewgong by locking it into a move, forcing it to switch. Having Stealth Rock up will limit how freely Dewgong can switch in and out, hindering its performance.</p>


good work.

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Don't you need an ability line in your set for Hydration, as Dewgong also gets Thick Fat as an ability.

So:
[SET]
name: Rain Dance
move 1: Rain Dance
move 2: Surf
move 3: Ice Beam / Toxic
move 4: Rest
item: Damp Rock / Leftovers
ability: Hydration
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 162 SpA / 96 Spe
 

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great catch Oglemi, and Somalia you should probably mention Thick Fat in OC, as it does have some use (fire resist, 8x ice resist lol) on a more tankish set I guess.
 
Thanks both of you I'll add a mention in OC of Thick Fat. Changing prefix back to copyediting.

edit: Sentences added after the GP checks are in Bold font.

edit: Fatecrashers told me what to edit in the sentence, thanks.
 

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