Heatran (Analysis)

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Taking this over for Jibaku, whose thread can be found and locked here.

The set was written by Jibaku, I have written the Overview, Team Options, OC, and Counters section

This was GP checked by jc104, but I have added the other components, so I am requesting this still receive 2 GP checks.

If you feel Heatran needs another set in its Uber analysis, please post it in QC and go through the stages. This thread is just so Heatran has an Ubers analysis and a set to go with it.

I have little experience with the Ubers tier, so if you are willing to add more to the Counters section, please let me know.

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http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/heatran

[Overview]

<p>Heatran fills a unique niche in the Ubers tier thanks to its stellar typing and monstrous Special Attack. Heatran retains its role from the OU environment, toasting any opposing Steel-types that stand in its way, as well as stopping any offensive Shaymin-S not wielding Earth Power in its tracks, something not a lot of other Pokemon can claim. Heatran also resists or is immune to four key attacking types commonly found in Ubers: Fire, Ghost, Dark, and Dragon. While it may be literally scared to death by the ubiquitous Kyogre and the tiniest of earthly tremors, Heatran functions well in the Ubers tier when partnered with Groudon and its ever-lasting sun. However, don't expect it to be able to take too much punishment.</p>

[SET]
name: Ubers Stallbreaker
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Roar
move 3: Flamethrower / Lava Plume
move 4: Dragon Pulse / Toxic
item: Leftovers
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 128 SpD / 128 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Heatran appears to be an odd choice for an Ubers stallbreaker at first, especially considering its weaknesses to common attacking types in Fighting, Ground, and Water. However, Heatran's excellent set of resistances and immunities, most notably to Dragon- and Fire-type attacks, coupled with its acceptable defensive stats, give it ample opportunities to switch in and do its job. Heatran can force switches with Roar, compounding entry hazard damage; it can also use Taunt to prevent the likes of Bulk Up Dialga, Giratina, and Blissey from recovering their health. Of course, one cannot forget that Heatran still has Flash Fire and a magnificent Special Attack stat, and is capable of inflicting serious damage to the opposing team with its STAB Flamethrower.</p>

<p>Flamethrower is the preferred attack due to its combination of consistency and power, but Lava Plume may be used instead for the increased chance of burning opposing Pokemon. Dragon Pulse allows Heatran to deal quick damage to Dragon-types and pairs well with its Fire-type STAB, hitting everything barring an opposing Heatran for at least neutral damage. However, Dragon Pulse isn't powerful enough to handle Latias and Latios due to their magnificent Special Defense and Recover. Toxic provides Heatran with a way to severely cripple the Dragon / Psychic twins, as well as the defensive behemoth known as Lugia. Finally, Protect can also be used in the last slot to scout for unexpected Earthquakes or Earth Powers from the likes of Giratina-O and Dialga. It also aids in prediction against Choiced opponents, and can help Heatran recover a bit more health with Leftovers. Toxic Spikes support is a must if you decide to use Protect, however, as Heatran loses some coverage without Dragon Pulse or Toxic.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<pThe EV spread on this set is particularly simple. 252 HP EVs grant Heatran extra overall bulk, while the Speed EVs allow it to outrun the standard defensive Groudon, Giratina, Dialga, and Deoxys-D. The remaining EVs are thrown into Special Defense to help Heatran switch into the dominant special attacks in the Ubers metagame, particularly the powerful Draco Meteors from the likes of Dialga, Palkia, Giratina-O, and Mixed Rayquaza. The Special Defense EVs also achieve a bonus point. Since this set's purpose is not to deal heavy damage to opposing Pokemon via attacking, no Special Attack investment is required.</p>

<p>To fully realize this set's potential, a fair amount of support is required. First and foremost, entry hazards are absolutely crucial to this set's success. Forretress can set up Spikes and Toxic Spikes, both of which can contribute to the terror of this set, as well as bait Fire-type attacks for Heatran to switch into. The ability to clear away entry hazards on your side of the field is also helpful, as Heatran is vulnerable to Spikes. Although Deoxys-S is incapable of using Toxic Spikes and Rapid Spin, it can quickly lay down Spikes so that Heatran may begin its rampage early. Deoxys-S can also set up Stealth Rock, but for this type of set, laying down Spikes should be the main focus, while setting up Stealth Rock can be left to other Pokemon. Groudon is without a doubt the best Pokemon for this role, as it also provides much-needed sunlight for Heatran. Additionally, Groudon can ward off physical Rayquaza and Tyranitar who could otherwise murder Heatran with Earthquake. Finally, a spinblocker is required so that the opponent cannot simply Rapid Spin the entry hazards away. Giratina-O is perfect for the job, as it also shares excellent defensive synergy with Heatran. Giratina is another viable choice due to its higher defenses.</p>

<p>By far the biggest threat to Heatran is Kyogre, as it can override the sun with Drizzle and OHKO Heatran with Surf. Latias is an excellent partner since she handles Kyogre with relative ease and has amazing defensive synergy with Heatran. Palkia can defeat Choice Specs and Choice Scarf Kyogre thanks to its 4x resistance to Water-type attacks, but has trouble with Calm Mind variants. Heatran also covers Palkia's sole weakness to Dragon. As this Heatran set has no form of recovery outside of Leftovers, extra teammates to absorb Dragon-type attacks are welcome, as they can relieve some of the stress from Heatran. Jirachi is a particularly great choice as it can also pass Wishes to Heatran; be aware, however, that Jirachi compounds Heatran's weakness to Ground. Scizor and the aforementioned Forretress are not weak to Ground-type attacks, and can take a few Dragon-type attacks as well. Both Pokemon are capable of defeating the occasional Earthquake Giratina-O, as it rarely carries both Hidden Power Fire and Earthquake. Blissey is also a great partner for Heatran as she can fulfill most of the requirements mentioned above, and can also take care of Latias and Latios, allowing Heatran to use Dragon Pulse instead of Toxic. Beware of opposing Heatran with Earth Power, as well. Since these Heatran tend to lack anti-stall techniques, the aforementioned Blissey and Latias can often take care of them.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Heatran absolutely hates Ground-type attacks, so having a teammate who take these attacks is absolutely essential. Ho-Oh fits the bill pretty well, and both highly benefit from the sun provided by Groudon. Lugia also makes a good partner, as it can take on opposing Groudon with Ice Beam, poison bulkier opponents with Toxic, and phaze the opposing team with Whirlwind to rack up damage from entry hazards. Skarmory is another fine choice as it is immune to Ground and can set up Spikes against foes such as Garchomp and Groudon. Speaking of Groudon, not only does it supply infinite sun with Drought, it also can set up Stealth Rock for Heatran, making it a fantastic partner.</p>

<p>Kyogre is public enemy number two after Ground-type attacks, so pairing Heatran with Latias is a grand idea; as a bonus, they cover each other's weaknesses almost perfectly. Palkia can take on most Choiced Kyogre sets and hit back with 100% accurate Thunder, or take this time to set up with Bulk Up. Though Quagsire is an obscure option, its Water Absorb ability makes it immune to Water-type attacks, and it can either use Encore to lock Kyogre into Ice Beam or cripple it with Toxic, while keeping itself healthy with Recover. Specially defensive Dialga, especially Bulk Up variants with Rest, can take on most Kyogre sets. Dialga also has access to Thunder, which becomes 100% accurate in the rain.</p>

<p>As for offensive partners, Shaymin-S can switch into Ground-, Fighting-, and Water-type attacks with its decent defenses, and use Leech Seed to handle the likes of Blissey, while its Seed Flare can take out Groudon and Kyogre. Mewtwo is another decent choice, as it can utilize a combination of Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, and Aura Sphere to beat threats such as Gengar, Darkrai, Groudon, and Rayquaza. Mewtwo may also use a more defensive set with Will-O-Wisp to cripple physical sweepers, and it also boasts a resistance to Fighting-type attacks.</p>

<p>Heatran is capable of taking resisted hits at key moments, but only for so long. Having a backup teammate to take various Dragon-type attacks is highly recommended. Jirachi and Scizor can both fill this role, and Jirachi can even provide Heatran with Wish support. Other options include Magnezone, Steel Arceus, and Forretress.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Heatran is fully capable of running an offensive set consisting of Fire Blast, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, and Explosion while holding either a Life Orb or a Choice item. Heatran's largest selling point when running such a set is its large amount of resistances and unique coverage. However, Heatran will probably be too frail to pull such a set off, and there are many other Pokemon in Ubers that can fill the same role but with better offensive prowess. Dark Pulse is another attack that hits a lot of Pokemon in Ubers for super effective damage, but Heatran's other moves provide better overall coverage. If you're terrified of opposing Ho-Oh walking all over Heatran, you could run Stone Edge to quickly clip its wings; outside of that though, there isn't much use for it.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Heatran is far more one dimensional in Ubers than in the OU environment, so don't fret too much when faced with one. Just remember, Ground-type attacks and Kyogre will absolutely wreck Heatran. Garchomp can easily stomp Heatran into the dust with its STAB Earthquake; offensive Groudon, while not being able to switch in safely, can smash Heatran to pieces with Earthquake as well; Kyogre's Drizzle dampens any of Heatran's Fire-type attacks while simultaneously increasing the ease with which Surf can eliminate it. Outside of that, there are a few other Pokemon that can give Heatran a headache. Palkia and Manaphy can easily swamp Heatran with STAB Surf; Lucario can outrun non-Scarf Heatran and tear it to pieces with Close Combat; and Ho-Oh doesn't mind any of Heatran's attacks outside of Toxic and Stone Edge, and can eliminate it with Earthquake. If Heatran lacks Dragon Pulse or Hidden Power Ice, then a whole slew of Dragon-types, including Giratina-O, Rayquaza, and even Salamence, can come in on it with ease and either blast it with their STAB attacks, or nail it with Earthquake; Latias and Latios can also beat Heatran if they have Thunder. Just beware of Toxic and don't try to set up on Heatran (Roar will make this futile), and you'll be fine.</p>
 
Okay, some small additions you should probably consider for Team Options, not that I'm THE expert.

1) More info on Pokemon who can switch into Ground-type attacks. Skarmory is a good example as it can switch into Ground-type attacks and set up Spikes against the likes of Garchomp and Groudon without Overheat. Lugia can switch into Ground- and Fighting-type attacks, abuse Toxic / Calm Mind / Whirlwind, also deals with Groudon.

2) Pokemon who beat Kyogre deserve a mention too. Palkia can abuse Thunder, just make a note of that. Quagsire is a pretty strange option but it can poison Kyogre, Encore it, and Recover. Bulk Up Dialga is another one, good Special Defense etc.

3) Mewtwo with Ice Beam, Aura Sphere, and Shadow Ball can beat threats such as Gengar (Focus Blast), Darkrai (Focus Blast), Groudon etc. Mewtwo can also use the defensive set with Will-O-Wisp and also resists Fighting-type attacks.

4) Shaymin-S can switch into Ground-, Fighting-, and Water-type attacks, and with a Choice Scarf it can threaten the likes of Groundon and Kyogre with Seed Flare, while Air Slash can be used for flinch.
 
Komodo, if you could put that into paragraph form, I would be forever grateful.

EDIT: The OP is also updated with jc104's GP check and firecape's and mtr's edits, but this still needs two GP checks.
 
<p>Heatran absolutely hates Ground-type attacks, and using Heatran necessitates a partner to take them. Ho-Oh can fit this bill pretty well, and both highly benefit from the sun provided by Groudon. Lugia also makes a good partner as it can take on Groudon with Ice Beam, poison bulkier opponents with Toxic, and phaze the opposing team with Whirlwind to rack up damage from entry hazards. Skarmory is another fine choice as it can switch into Ground-type attacks with an immunity and set up Spikes against foes such as Garchomp and Groudon. Speaking of Groudon, not only does it supply infinite sun with Drought, it also can set up Stealth Rock for Heatran.</p>

<p>Kyogre is public enemy number two after Ground-type attacks, so teaming Heatran up with Latias can fix this problem; as a bonus, they also cover each other's weaknesses almost perfectly. Palkia can take on most Choiced Kyogre sets and hit back with 100% accurate Thunder, or take this time to set up with Bulk Up. Quagsire is an obscure option, though it has an immunity to Water-type attacks, thanks to Water Absorb, and Encore can be used to lock Kyogre onto Ice Beam while Quagsire poisons it with Toxic and restores its health with Recover. Specially defensive Dialga can take on most Kyogre sets, especially Bulk Up versions who may use Rest to restore health lost. Dialga also has access to Thunder, which becomes 100% accurate in the rain.</p>

<p>As for offensive partners, Shaymin-S can switch into Ground-, Fighting-, and Water-type attacks with its decent defenses, while Leech Seed can be used against the likes of Blissey and Seed Flare can take out Groudon and Kyogre. Mewtwo is another decent choice as it can use a combination of Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, and Aura Sphere to beat threats such as Gengar, Darkrai, Groudon, Rayquaza, and so on. Mewtwo may also use a more defensive set with Will-O-Wisp to cripple physical sweepers, while it also has a resistance to Fighting-type attacks.</p>

<p>Heatran is capable of taking resisted hits at key moments, but only for so long. Having a backup teammate to take various Dragon-type attacks is highly recommended. Jirachi and Scizor can both fill this role, and Jirachi can even provide Heatran with Wish. Other options include Magnezone, Steel Arceus, and Skarmory.</p>

Here we go.
 
Okay, back onto the topic: It's a decent set, good job (tutor that I didn't get round to) I think Lava Plume should be in the first slot, since you're breaking stall teams, you really don't need the stronger attack. Might as well go for the burnz.
 
130 is still pretty monstrous, now back to you, sharng. I guess you're right in that POV. Then okay, how bout this. Why don't we put Lava Plume and Dragon Pulse in the first slash (For burn) and Flamethrower and Toxic in second slash (For anti-burn and toxic)
 
There will be consequences for any further pretend-editing in this thread! (SDS EDIT: How about real editing? :3)

Anyway, there are a few issues in the counters section that I just want to point out. First of all, Groudon isn't a very good switch-in to Heatran because it takes heavy damage from a sun-boosted Lava Plume (not to mention burn chance). Outside of mentioning that offensive versions can outrun and KO Heatran with Earthquake, it probably shouldn't be emphasized that much.

Secondly, Heatran actually beats most Giratina - barely any can spare a moveslot for Earthquake, and Heatran outruns min Spe Giratina and can beat it through Taunt and Toxic. It should be stripped from the counters section; however, Giratina-O is fine considering that it commonly uses Earthquake.

Finally, mention that Lati@s need Thunder to beat Heatran; they won't use STAB moves or Earthquake.
 
You have no sense of humor...

Also, I'm not a really Uber person, but wouldn't explosion be a good idea if this set was a wall-breaker. Afterall, ain't Blissey a bitch, as Bliss as it is? (This is called a stupid joke, for intro to people with no sense of humor 101)

Also, tomahawk 9, please give constructive criticism, don't just go around posting for no reason, this isn't a postcount ++ thread.
 
For the record, if you edit before someone else posts, it won't show up on the bottom of your post. Just like I can't see it on Tomahawk's last post and Azelf's last post.

Anyway, Eo I'll fix that up when I get back from class, and then use my mad editing skills in this post to say when I've finished it.

EDIT: OK, Eo's comments have been addressed.
 
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GP CHECK ONE

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you know what it is

[Overview]

<p>Heatran fills a unique niche in the Ubers tier thanks to its stellar typing and monster Special Attack. Heatran retains its role from the OU environment, of toasting any opposing Steel-types that stand in its way, as well as stopping any offensive Shaymin-S not wielding Earth Power in its tracks, something not a lot of other Pokemon can claim. Heatran also resists four key attacking types commonly found in Ubers: Fire (which Heatran is immune to), Ghost, Dark, and Dragon. While Heatran it may be literally scared to death of by the ubiquitous Kyogre and the tiniest of earthly tremors, Heatran functions well in the Ubers tier when on the same team as partnered with Groudon and its ever-lasting sun. Just don't expect Heatran it to take too much punishment.</p>

[SET]
name: Ubers Stallbreaker
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Roar
move 3: Flamethrower / Lava Plume
move 4: Dragon Pulse / Toxic
item: Leftovers
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 128 SpD / 128 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>In the Ubers metagame, Heatran appears to be an odd choice for a an Ubers stallbreaker at first, especially when one considers considering how common its weaknesses to Fighting-, Ground-, and Water-type attacks appear to be common attacking types in Fighting, Ground, and Water. However, Heatran's excellent set of resistances and immunities, most notably to Dragon- and Fire-type attacks, coupled with its durable defenses, give it ample opportunities to switch in and do its job. Heatran can also force switches with Roar, compounding entry hazard damage; it can also use Taunt to prevent as well as preventing recovery from the likes of Bulk Up Dialga, Giratina, and Blissey through the use of Taunt. Of course, one cannot forget that Heatran still has Flash Fire and a magnificent Special Attack stat and Flash Fire, and is capable of inflicting serious damage with its STAB Flamethrower.</p>

<p>Flamethrower is the preferred attack due to its combination of consistency and power, but Lava Plume may be used over it for the increased chance of burning the opponent. Dragon Pulse allows Heatran to deal quick damage to Dragon-types and pairs well with its Fire-type attack STAB, hitting everything for at least neutral damage barring an opposing Heatran. However, Dragon Pulse isn't powerful enough to handle break Latias and Latios apart due to their magnificent Special Defense and Recover, and immunity to Spikes and Stealth Rock may make it difficult for Heatran to accomplish its job. Toxic provides Heatran with a way to severely cripple them as well as a way for it to easily destroy Lugia the Dragon / Psychic twins as well as the defensive behemoth known as Lugia. Finally, Protect can also be used in the last slot in order to scout for unexpected Earthquakes or Earth Powers from the likes of Giratina-O and Dialga. It also aids in prediction against Choiced opponents and can also help Heatran recover a bit more health with Leftovers. Toxic Spikes support is a must if you decide to use Protect, however, as Heatran loses some coverage without Dragon Pulse or Toxic.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<pThe EV spread on this set is particularly simple. 252 HP EVs grant Heatran a fair amount of balanced bulk, while the Speed EVs allow it to outrun the standard defensive Groudon, Giratina, Dialga, and Deoxys-D. The rest are thrown into Special Defense to help it switch into the dominant special attacks in the Ubers metagame more easily, particularly the powerful Draco Meteors from the likes of Dialga, Palkia, Giratina-O, and Mixed Rayquaza. The Special Defense EVs also achieve a bonus point. Since this set's purpose is not to achieve specific KOs via attacking, no Special Attack investment is required.</p>

<p>To fully realize this set's potential, a fair amount of support is required. First and foremost, entry hazards are absolutely crucial to this set's success. Forretress can set up Spikes and Toxic Spikes, both of which can contribute to the terror of this set, as well as baiting Fire-type attacks for Heatran to switch in on into. The ability to clear away the foe's entry hazards on your side of the field is also helpful as Heatran is vulnerable to Spikes. Although Deoxys-S is incapable of using Toxic Spikes and Rapid Spin, it can quickly lay down Spikes so that Heatran may begin its rampage early. Deoxys-S can also lay down Stealth Rock, but for this type of set you will prefer that Deoxys-S focus on laying down Spikes and have another Pokemon put up Stealth Rock to maximize the number of entry hazards on the field laying down Spikes should be the main focus, while setting up Stealth Rock can be left to other Pokemon. Groudon is unarguably the best Pokemon for this role as it also provides the much-needed sunlight for Heatran. It In addition, Groudon can also ward off physical Rayquaza and Tyranitar who could otherwise murder Heatran with Earthquake. Finally, a spinblocker is required so that the opponent cannot simply Rapid Spin the entry hazards away. Giratina-O is perfect for the job as it also provides defensive synergy with Heatran as they cover each other's weaknesses perfectly. Giratina is also a viable choice due to its higher defenses.</p>

<p>By far the biggest threat to Heatran is Kyogre, as it can override the sun with Drizzle and OHKO Heatran with Surf. Latias is an excellent partner as she handles Kyogre with relative ease and has amazing defensive synergy with Heatran. Palkia, although not effective at taking out Calm Mind Kyogre, can defeat Choice Specs and Choice Scarf Kyogre thanks to its 4x resistance to Water-type attacks, but has trouble with Calm Mind variants. Heatran also resists covers Palkia's sole weakness to Dragon. As this Heatran set has no form of recovery outside of Leftovers, extra Pokemon to absorb Dragon-type attacks are welcome, as they can relieve some of the stress from Heatran. Jirachi in particular is a great choice as it can alos also pass Wishes to Heatran; be aware, however, that Be warned, though, as Jirachi compounds Heatran's weakness to Ground. Scizor and the aforementioned Forretress are not weak to Ground-type attacks and can take a few Dragon-type attacks as well. Both Pokemon are capable of defeating the occasional Earthquake Giratina-O as it rarely carries both Hidden Power Fire and Earthquake. Blissey is also a great partner for Heatran as she can fulfill most of the requirements mentioned above, and can also take care of Latias and Latios, allowing Heatran to use Dragon Pulse instead of Toxic. Beware of opposing Heatran with Earth Power as well. Since these Heatran tend to lack anti-stall techniques, the aforementioned Blissey and Latias can often take care of them.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Heatran absolutely hates Ground-type attacks, and using Heatran necessitates a partner to take them so having a teammate who take these attacks is absolutely essential. Ho-Oh can fit fits this bill pretty well, and both highly benefit from the sun provided by Groudon. Lugia also makes a good partner as it can take on opposing Groudon with Ice Beam, poison bulkier opponents with Toxic, and phaze the opposing team with Whirlwind to rack up damage from entry hazards. Skarmory is another fine choice as it can switch into Ground-type attacks with an immunity is immune to Ground, and can set up Spikes against foes such as Garchomp and Groudon. Speaking of Groudon, not only does it supply infinite sun with Drought, it also can set up Stealth Rock for Heatran.</p>

<p>Kyogre is public enemy number two after Ground-type attacks, so teaming Heatran up with Latias can fix this problem is a grand idea; as a bonus, they also cover each other's weaknesses almost perfectly. Palkia can take on most Choiced Kyogre sets and hit back with 100% accurate Thunder, or take this time to set up with Bulk Up. Quagsire is an obscure option, though it has an immunity to Water-type attacks, thanks to Water Absorb its Water Absorb ability makes it immune to Water-type attacks, and it can use Encore can be used to lock Kyogre onto Ice Beam, cripple Kyogre with Toxic, while keeping itself healthy with Recover while Quagsire poisons it with Toxic and restores its health with Recover. Specially defensive Dialga, especially Bulk Up versions with Rest, can take on most Kyogre sets, especially Bulk Up versions who may use Rest to restore health lost. Dialga also has access to Thunder, which becomes 100% accurate in the rain.</p>

<p>As for offensive partners, Shaymin-S can switch into Ground-, Fighting-, and Water-type attacks with its decent defenses, while use Leech Seed can be used against to handle the likes of Blissey, and while its Seed Flare can take out Groudon and Kyogre. Mewtwo is another decent choice as it can use a combination of Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, and Aura Sphere to beat threats such as Gengar, Darkrai, Groudon, Rayquaza, and so on. Mewtwo may also use a more defensive set with Will-O-Wisp to cripple physical sweepers, while and it also has boasts a resistance to Fighting-type attacks.</p>

<p>Heatran is capable of taking resisted hits at key moments, but only for so long. Having a backup teammate to take various Dragon-type attacks is highly recommended. Jirachi and Scizor can both fill this role, and Jirachi can even provide Heatran with Wish support. Other options include Magnezone, Steel Arceus, and Forretress.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Heatran is fully capable of running an offensive set consisting of Fire Blast, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, and Explosion while holding either a Life Orb or a Choice item. Heatran's largest selling point when running such a set is its large list of resistances and unique coverage. However, most times Heatran will probably be too frail most of the time, and there are many other Pokemon in Ubers that can do the same kind of set with much higher offenses fill the same role but with better offenses. Dark Pulse is another attack that hits a lot of Pokemon found in Ubers for super effective damage, but Heatran's other moves provide better overall coverage. If you're terrified of opposing Ho-Oh from walking all over Heatran, you could choose to run Stone Edge as well to quickly clip its wings; outside of that though, there isn't much use for it.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Heatran is far more one dimensional in Ubers than in the OU environment, so don't fret too much when faced with one. Just remember, Ground-type attacks and Kyogre, these are the things that make Heatran cry. Garchomp can easily stomp Heatran into the dust with its STAB Earthquake; offensive Groudon, while not being able to switch in safely, can smash Heatran to pieces with Earthquake as well; and Kyogre's Drizzle dampens any of Heatran's Fire-type attacks while simultaneously increasing the ease with which Surf can eliminate it. Outside of that, there are a few other Pokemon that can give Heatran some headaches. Palkia and Manaphy can easily swamp Heatran with STAB Surf; Lucario can outrun non-Scarf Heatran and tear it to pieces with Close Combat; and Ho-Oh doesn't mind any of Heatran's attacks, outside of Toxic and Stone Edge, and can eliminate it with Earthquake. If Heatran lacks Dragon Pulse and or Hidden Power Ice, then the a whole slew of Dragon-types, including Giratina-O, Rayquaza, and even Salamence, can come in on Heatran with ease and either blast it with either their STAB attacks, or nail it with Earthquake; Latias and Latios can also beat Heatran if they have Thunder. Just beware of Toxic and don't try to set up on Heatran (Roar will make this futile), and you'll be fine.</p>

FAKE EDIT: heatran looks like a turd I DON'T LIKE IT

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You have no sense of humor...

Also, I'm not a really Uber person, but wouldn't explosion be a good idea if this set was a wall-breaker. Afterall, ain't Blissey a bitch, as Bliss as it is? (This is called a stupid joke, for intro to people with no sense of humor 101)

Also, tomahawk 9, please give constructive criticism, don't just go around posting for no reason, this isn't a postcount ++ thread.

Due to the explosion nerf it is no longer viable on heatran (or most pokes for that matter). I think it does about half to blissey now, so you're better off spamming sun-boosted fire blasts and hoping for crits.
 
This is 4th gen where Explosion still does a huge chunk to Blissey.

Anyway you really need Heatran to live so there's no point in using Explosion.
 
GP CHECK 2/2

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[Overview]

<p>Heatran fills a unique niche in the Ubers tier thanks to its stellar typing and monster monstrous Special Attack. Heatran retains its role from the OU environment, toasting any opposing Steel-types that stand in its way, as well as stopping any offensive Shaymin-S not wielding Earth Power in its tracks, something not a lot of other Pokemon can claim. Heatran also resists or is immune to four key attacking types commonly found in Ubers: Fire, (which Heatran is immune to), Ghost, Dark, and Dragon. While it may be literally scared to death by the ubiquitous Kyogre and the tiniest of earthly tremors, Heatran functions well in the Ubers tier when partnered with Groudon and its ever-lasting sun. Just However, don't expect it to be able to take too much punishment.</p>

[SET]
name: Ubers Stallbreaker
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Roar
move 3: Flamethrower / Lava Plume
move 4: Dragon Pulse / Toxic
item: Leftovers
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 128 SpD / 128 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Heatran appears to be an odd choice for an Ubers stallbreaker at first, especially considering its weaknesses to common attacking types in Fighting, Ground, and Water. However, Heatran's excellent set of resistances and immunities, most notably to Dragon- and Fire-type attacks, coupled with its durable defenses acceptable defensive stats, give it ample opportunities to switch in and do its job. Heatran can force switches with Roar, compounding entry hazard damage; it can also use Taunt to prevent recovery from the likes of Bulk Up Dialga, Giratina, and Blissey from recovering their health. Of course, one cannot forget that Heatran still has Flash Fire and a magnificent Special Attack stat, and is capable of inflicting serious damage to the opposing team with its STAB Flamethrower.</p>

<p>Flamethrower is the preferred attack due to its combination of consistency and power, but Lava Plume may be used over it instead for the increased chance of burning the opponent opposing Pokemon. Dragon Pulse allows Heatran to deal quick damage to Dragon-types and pairs well with its Fire-type STAB, hitting everything barring an opposing Heatran for at least neutral damage. barring an opposing Heatran. However, Dragon Pulse isn't powerful enough to handle Latias and Latios due to their magnificent Special Defense and Recover. Toxic provides Heatran with a way to severely cripple the Dragon / Psychic twins, as well as the defensive behemoth known as Lugia. Finally, Protect can also be used in the last slot to scout for unexpected Earthquakes or Earth Powers from the likes of Giratina-O and Dialga. It also aids in prediction against Choiced opponents, and can help Heatran recover a bit more health with Leftovers. Toxic Spikes support is a must if you decide to use Protect, however, as Heatran loses some coverage without Dragon Pulse or Toxic.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<pThe EV spread on this set is particularly simple. 252 HP EVs grant Heatran a fair amount of balanced extra overall bulk, while the Speed EVs allow it to outrun the standard defensive Groudon, Giratina, Dialga, and Deoxys-D. The rest remaining EVs are thrown into Special Defense to help it Heatran switch into the dominant special attacks in the Ubers metagame, particularly the powerful Draco Meteors from the likes of Dialga, Palkia, Giratina-O, and Mixed Rayquaza. The Special Defense EVs also achieve a bonus point. Since this set's purpose is not to achieve specific KOs deal heavy damage to opposing Pokemon via attacking, no Special Attack investment is required.</p>

<p>To fully realize this set's potential, a fair amount of support is required. First and foremost, entry hazards are absolutely crucial to this set's success. Forretress can set up Spikes and Toxic Spikes, both of which can contribute to the terror of this set, as well as baiting bait Fire-type attacks for Heatran to switch into. The ability to clear away entry hazards on your side of the field is also helpful, as Heatran is vulnerable to Spikes. Although Deoxys-S is incapable of using Toxic Spikes and Rapid Spin, it can quickly lay down Spikes so that Heatran may begin its rampage early. Deoxys-S can also lay down set up Stealth Rock, but for this type of set, laying down Spikes should be the main focus, while setting up Stealth Rock can be left to other Pokemon. Groudon is unarguably without a doubt the best Pokemon for this role, as it also provides much-needed sunlight for Heatran. In addition Additionally, Groudon can ward off physical Rayquaza and Tyranitarwho could otherwise murder Heatran with Earthquake. Finally, a spinblocker is required so that the opponent cannot simply Rapid Spin the entry hazards away. Giratina-O is perfect for the job, as it also provides shares excellent defensive synergy with Heatran. Giratina is also a another viable choice due to its higher defenses.</p>

<p>By far the biggest threat to Heatran is Kyogre, as it can override the sun with Drizzle and OHKO Heatran with Surf. Latias is an excellent partner as since she handles Kyogre with relative ease and has amazing defensive synergy with Heatran. Palkia can defeat Choice Specs and Choice Scarf Kyogre thanks to its 4x resistance to Water-type attacks, but has trouble with Calm Mind variants. Heatran also covers Palkia's sole weakness to Dragon. As this Heatran set has no form of recovery outside of Leftovers, extra Pokemon teammates to absorb Dragon-type attacks are welcome, as they can relieve some of the stress from Heatran. Jirachi in particular is a particularly great choice as it can also pass Wishes to Heatran; be aware, however, that as Jirachi compounds Heatran's weakness to Ground. Scizor and the aforementioned Forretress are not weak to Ground-type attacks, and can take a few Dragon-type attacks as well. Both Pokemon are capable of defeating the occasional Earthquake Giratina-O, as it rarely carries both Hidden Power Fire and Earthquake. Blissey is also a great partner for Heatran as she can fulfill most of the requirements mentioned above, and can also take care of Latias and Latios, allowing Heatran to use Dragon Pulse instead of Toxic. Beware of opposing Heatran with Earth Power, as well. Since these Heatran tend to lack anti-stall techniques, the aforementioned Blissey and Latias can often take care of them.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Heatran absolutely hates Ground-type attacks, so having a teammate who take these attacks is absolutely essential. Ho-Oh fits this the bill pretty well, and both highly benefit from the sun provided by Groudon. Lugia also makes a good partner, as it can take on opposing Groudon with Ice Beam, poison bulkier opponents with Toxic, and phaze the opposing team with Whirlwind to rack up damage from entry hazards. Skarmory is another fine choice as it is immune to Ground, Ground and can set up Spikes against foes such as Garchomp and Groudon. Speaking of Groudon, not only does it supply infinite sun with Drought, it also can set up Stealth Rock for Heatran, making it a fantastic partner.</p>

<p>Kyogre is public enemy number two after Ground-type attacks, so teaming pairing Heatran up with Latias is a grand idea; as a bonus, they cover each other's weaknesses almost perfectly. Palkia can take on most Choiced Kyogre sets and hit back with 100% accurate Thunder, or take this time to set up with Bulk Up. Though Quagsire is an obscure option, its Water Absorb ability makes it immune to Water-type attacks, and it can either use Encore to lock Kyogre onto into Ice Beam, Beam or cripple Kyogre it with Toxic, while keeping itself healthy with Recover. Specially defensive Dialga, especially Bulk Up versions variants with Rest, can take on most Kyogre sets. Dialga also has access to Thunder, which becomes 100% accurate in the rain.</p>

<p>As for offensive partners, Shaymin-S can switch into Ground-, Fighting-, and Water-type attacks with its decent defenses, and use Leech Seed to handle the likes of Blissey, while its Seed Flare can take out Groudon and Kyogre. Mewtwo is another decent choice, as it can use utilize a combination of Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, and Aura Sphere to beat threats such as Gengar, Darkrai, Groudon, Rayquaza, and so on. and Rayquaza. Mewtwo may also use a more defensive set with Will-O-Wisp to cripple physical sweepers, and it also boasts a resistance to Fighting-type attacks.</p>

<p>Heatran is capable of taking resisted hits at key moments, but only for so long. Having a backup teammate to take various Dragon-type attacks is highly recommended. Jirachi and Scizor can both fill this role, and Jirachi can even provide Heatran with Wish support. Other options include Magnezone, Steel Arceus, and Forretress.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Heatran is fully capable of running an offensive set consisting of Fire Blast, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, and Explosion while holding either a Life Orb or a Choice item. Heatran's largest selling point when running such a set is its large list amount of resistances and unique coverage. However, Heatran will probably be too frail most of the time to pull such a set off, and there are many other Pokemon in Ubers that can fill the same role but with better offenses offensive prowess. Dark Pulse is another attack that hits a lot of Pokemon in Ubers for super effective damage, but Heatran's other moves provide better overall coverage. If you're terrified of opposing Ho-Oh walking all over Heatran, you could run Stone Edge to quickly clip its wings; outside of that though, there isn't much use for it.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Heatran is far more one dimensional in Ubers than in the OU environment, so don't fret too much when faced with one. Just remember, Ground-type attacks and Kyogre, these are the things that make Heatran cry Kyogre will absolutely wreck Heatran. Garchomp can easily stomp Heatran into the dust with its STAB Earthquake; offensive Groudon, while not being able to switch in safely, can smash Heatran to pieces with Earthquake as well; Kyogre's Drizzle dampens any of Heatran's Fire-type attacks while simultaneously increasing the ease with which Surf can eliminate it. Outside of that, there are a few other Pokemon that can give Heatran some headaches a headache. Palkia and Manaphy can easily swamp Heatran with STAB Surf; Lucario can outrun non-Scarf Heatran and tear it to pieces with Close Combat; and Ho-Oh doesn't mind any of Heatran's attacks, attacks outside of Toxic and Stone Edge, and can eliminate it with Earthquake. If Heatran lacks Dragon Pulse or Hidden Power Ice, then a whole slew of Dragon-types, including Giratina-O, Rayquaza, and even Salamence, can come in on Heatran it with ease and either blast it with their STAB attacks, or nail it with Earthquake; Latias and Latios can also beat Heatran if they have Thunder. Just beware of Toxic and don't try to set up on Heatran (Roar will make this futile), and you'll be fine.</p>

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