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A Blast from the Past'

Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by Zephyr, Jun 1, 2011.

  1. Zephyr

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    Introduction

    As most of you already know the BW OU tier is a fast changing metagame, especially thanks to the fact that Pokemon are being added and removed from the tier with each passing round, continuing to add to the fast-paced evolution of the tier. I came into this rather late, as at first, many changes and features were brought to the Pokemon competitive scene from the new generation that I wasn't fond of. Thus, I narrowly joined the fray right at the end of the Suspect testing Round 1. Afterwards, I planned on participating in Round 2, and I was determined to be quite versatile and different from the others with my choice of team. I was afraid that BW wasn't going to be a pleasant metagame to play in at first, as it seemed to be an unstable metagame with all the overpowered Pokemon that were once Uber last generation. But after Darkrai, Skymin, and Deoxys A/N had moved onto Ubers, it was a refreshed metagame and I was ready to jump in.

    From keeping an eye out at the metagame before I decide to jump in, I knew right away what kind of Pokemon were popular, and how I would have to deal with them. After many strenuous days of scoping the metagame, I was ready to create my team. So I picked my "lead" and ended up with what was kind of a random team with acceptable synergy. I tweaked the team from time to time trying to resolve every weakness I can find. And the end result was that it is possibly one of my best unplanned teams to date.

    As far as accomplishments go for this rather unorthodox team; It did get me and a few other people voting requirements in Round 2. It also helped me to reach the Semi-Finals of the first official BW OU tournament where I lost in a very close game with Earthworm (whom ended up winning the tournament).

    Without further ado I present you all my original BW team.

    The Team


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    Deoxys-S @ Expert Belt
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 40 Atk / 252 SAtk / 216 Spd
    Naive Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Superpower
    - Hidden Power Fire
    - Spikes

    This set used to be amazing. Originally, this set was inspired by my 4th gen Uber set that had great effectiveness. This is pretty much the most anti-metagame set on the team, although not the only one. Basically, at the time of this teams peak in usefulness, Scizor or Tyranitar were on almost every non rain team, if not both on the same team. The given EV spread and attacks allowed Deoxys-S to ohko most variants of both Scizor and Tyranitar. Due to the fact that BW has brought the team preview feature, I would always "lead" with this Deoxys, and most of the time my opponent would send in Tyranitar or Scizor immediately if they had one, Deoxys-S would then quickly dispose of either, sometime both back to back. If the opponent didn't go "wtf? who uses that" and rage quit directly after, their team now was missing 1/3 of its teamates, and I generally had the match won by turn 3. Not only was Deoxys-s so good at what it does, when I played vs teams that didn't have at least one of those, such as rain typically, I almost had guaranteed dual layers. Just such an amazing Pokemon. This set did lose some luster with the popularity of Chople Tyranitar rising later in the round, it is still an amazing Pokemon for teams which aren't as well equipped to deal with it.


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    Tyranitar @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 228 HP / 16 Atk / 200 SAtk / 64 Spd
    Lonely Nature
    - Crunch
    - Superpower
    - Fire Blast
    - Pursuit

    This variant of Tyranitar I noticed had become the most popular, although usually seen with Stealth Rock and Leftovers, Deoxys-s was reliable enough for Stealth Rock, which gave Tyranitar a little more room to work with. Lum Berry easily became such a trump card for Tyranitar, letting it work fantastically against teams utilizing Skarmory, Blissey, and Jellicent etc (aka defensive or stall teams) as well as gave me a great way to deal with Latios / Latias, and another way to deal with Reuniclus. Pursuit also was valuable when engaging in weather wars, as it in addition to hazards damage, Ninetales and Politoed switching in and out would also get hit by Pursuit to quickly limit how long they can last through the match. Lum Berry also helps against WoW from the aforementioned Ninetales, which pretty much means when played correctly; you should almost always win against Sun. The EV's may seem somewhat random, but they hit a jump point in attack, give you enough special attack to hit Ferrothorn, Virizion, and others as hard on the switch. The speed allows you to outrun 20Spe Scizor, and nearly every Tyranitar I have come across. It is usually better to be safe than sorry. The rest of the EV's go into my bulk, to help sponge pokemon like Latios, Heatran, Chandelure, and Ninetails marginally better. While I know some people run Low Kick on their Tyranitar, I prefer Superpower for the reliability. This is a weather centralized metagame, it is not like Tyranitar will be staying in for long either way for the stat drop to matter.


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    Landorus @ Expert Belt
    Trait: Sand Force
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Naive Nature
    - Hidden Power Ice
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Polish
    - Stone Edge

    At the time, this set was of great benefit to the team. Most Landorus you see were Choice Scarf, using Expert Belt as a bluff early game let me fire off Earthquake and Stone Edge to give my opponent the impression Landorus was scarfed... once I found the right time that I was sure the opponent would switch, or that Landorus had the opportunity, I'd have him fire off a Rock Polish and decimate the opponents team with sand boosted STAB Earthquake, Stone edge for coverage, and Hidden Power Ice to break through Gliscor, Breloom, and other Landorus. Another thing about it was that bluffing a Choice Scarf was valuable in scaring off two of this teams only major problems at the time; Quiver Dance Volcarona and Blaziken. Landorus shares Gliscor's strong solid defensive typing, although it isn't nearly as bulky. While Landorus has decreased in play quite a bit due to Skarmory and Rotom W, it is still a very strong pokemon and it would be advised not to underestimate it with proper team support. I've also tried Life Orb here, but the bluff has seemed to be a greater boon than the power.


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    Scizor @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 236 HP / 244 Atk / 12 SDef / 16 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Bug Bite
    - Bullet Punch
    - Swords Dance
    - Superpower

    Swords Dance Scizor is really solid right now. With excellent resists, solid priority, STAB, and enough coverage to get the job done; sweeping early on isn't exactly uncommon. Sometimes I play Scizor aggressively early game to break a hole for Latios or Breloom, but I find Scizor ideal late game when he can pick most things off with Bullet Punch. Superpower is chosen over Brick Break since it hits Ferrothorn harder if you have no time to SD, and it can hit Magnezone and Heatran on the switch. It also hits Skarmory much harder. Bug Bite is basically your wallbreaking STAB for pokemon such as Hippowdon, Gastrodon, Bronzong, and Reuniclus. You can deal with every one of those pokemon, and oddball pokemon like Swampert and Metagross after a Swords Dance very well. Lum Berry looks terrible at a glance, It also allows Scizor to defeat Will-o-Wisp Rotom-W and take on other random status such as sleep. The EV's speed creep other Scizor and Tyranitar, maximize my bulk, while retaining my ability to hit hard. Sometimes I wish I had Bronzong when I play against a Garchomp, but Scizor makes a pretty good switch into it, and can take an Outrage if needed. It is also an important ice resist, for those annoying teams which run Mamoswine.


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    Breloom @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Focus Punch
    - Seed Bomb
    - Mach Punch
    - Spore

    I love Breloom and it has dropped in usage severely, which makes it even more effective as teams tend to be less ready to lose a Pokemon to the sleep buff this generation, along with substitute and Focus Punch almost certainly taking out another Pokemon later. It provides a rock resist, and other helpful resistances. While people may frown upon Breloom due to being Gliscor bait, it can't come into early game Breloom if it's Toxic Orb hasn't activated, also more often than not I've been able to take out the opposing Gliscor through bluffing correctly with Landorus. while SD Scizor is always capable of defeating a weakened Gliscor. I originally used Mach Punch to help with Excadril, but I think I like Sub better since it gives Focus Punch much more safety. Seed Bomb is good for Jellicant, Hippodown, fighting resists, and good for when it is too risky to Focus Punch. Another reason why I wanted to use Breloom is because I predicted a stall base metagame, and I knew Breloom was more than capable of destroying Ferrothorn / Jellicent cores. Breloom seems to be my primary Tyranitar switch in nowadays, and if they do not have Lum Berry they are pretty much out cold for the rest of the match. Toxic Orb allows me to absorb status, and helps make the sand damage a bit more tolerable.


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    Latios @ Wise Glasses
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Hidden Power Fire
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psychic
    - Surf

    A suspect, and it isn't hard to see why. Great STAB, speed, power, coverage, and resists. Most of the metagame wouldn't like to take hits from Latios. I tried Specs, Life Orb, but I often found my opponents switching in Ferrothorn and Scizor most of the time. So I decided to take advantage of such common plays by using Wise Glasses to bluff Specs, while giving me a bit of a power boost as well. I feel Latios lost a lot of its shine once people realized that SpD Jirachi is a hard counter, but with residual damage, and a possible hit here and there from Scizor, and Tyranitar, Latios could defeat it over time. Surf is very useful for Heatran, Tyranitar, Gliscor, and neutral coverage. Hidden Power Fire deals with Forretress, Skarmory, Scizor, and Ferrothorn. I used to run Psycho Shock on Latios, but without the power from a Life Orb or Specs it usually doesn't have the reliability against Blissey. I just chose Psychic for reliable late game sweeping, and to help against Conkeldurr. Often I do miss the sheer power of Choice Specs, and it does create a double-sword effect at times, as some moments I couldn't be more glad I had Wise Glasses, and times where if I just had the extra power I would have gotten a KO.


    Conclusion

    I've missed using this team now that the metagame has drastically altered, and its effectiveness and surprise factor has dwindled immensely over being used over the months. I did have two pretty big problems when using the team, and they came in the form of Blaziken and Volcarona. Blaziken could potentially sweep the team If it got a Swords Dance off, so I made sure to never let it set up without at least taking a good hit. This problem soon disappeared after Blaziken left though. Volcarona on the other hand will always be a problem for this team, but as I usually got Stealth Rock up right away if I seen it on my opponent's team, it was never worth altering my team's function to try and cope with it, and I didn't lose to it often enough for it to ever be too big of a problem, especially as if I rarely did misplay against it, surprisingly enough bluffing Scarf Landorus saved me occasionally as well.
    What really made this team work so well honestly was that most of my Pokemon could capitalize on being able to deal significant damage or even OHKO their common counters. Such as Landorus being able to take out Gliscor, Deoxys taking down Tyranitar and Scizor, Latios and Tyranitar taking down Ferrothorn... I could go on for awhile.

    This team has long since retired and I don't believe I'll ever use it again, but I thought it'd be nice to give it a lasting goodbye into the metagame long past, and I'm sure a number of you will have recognized this team when reading the above. Thank you!

    Offensive Threats

    [​IMG] Aerodactyl - Can be a little annoying but is beaten and/or handled by scizor
    [​IMG] Archeops - Pretty much nonexistent, even in stage two, but Rocks and priority basically kill it.
    [​IMG] Azelf - Tyranitar handles most varieties of Azelf pretty well, Deo-S Taunts leads, and Scizor can revenge kill it. Latios can take most of its hits.
    [​IMG] Bisharp - Bisharp can be problematic since STAB Sucker Punch can OHKO Latios and Iron head can KO Tyranitar, but Scizor deals with it with Superpower.
    [​IMG] Breloom - It usually comes into my Tyranitar and fails to spore me due to Lum berry, and then is ohko'd by Fire Blast. If not, wait till Breloom comes in i usually take the Spore with the least useful Pokemon on my team, and then go into Latios to KO it.
    [​IMG] Chandelure - Rocks and Spikes hurt it a fair amount, Tyranitar can switch in on anything except HP Fighting and Pursuit it, and Latios and Landorus can revenge non scarf sets.
    [​IMG] Cobalion - Another mon not really seen (during stage two and in the rounds following), and it can't switch in on anything really and Latios, Deoxys, and Breloom can all revenge it.
    [​IMG] Conkeldurr - Conkeldurr is dealt with by Latios easily.
    [​IMG] [​IMG]Darmanitan - Sun wasn't big stage two, so Darmanitan was pretty uncommon, but Latios beats it, Landorus can take Superpowers and U-Turns and beat it with Earthquake, and Scizor and Breloom can revenge with minimal prior damage.
    [​IMG]Deoxys-S - Besides entry hazards, Deoxys-S can't really do much to my team. I usuaully just lead with Scizor and Bug Bite + Bullet Punch
    [​IMG] Dragonite - Choice Band dragonite was nearly non existant in round 2 as far as I know. DDNite can be irritating, but with Multiscale broken by rocks, it can't do much.
    [​IMG] Druddigon - Scizor handles it well.
    [​IMG] Eelektross - Tyranitar and Latios can take care of it pretty well.
    [​IMG] Electivire - Latios can switch in on anything but Ice Punch/HP Ice, as can Landorus, and both can KO with Draco Meteor and Earth Power respectively.
    [​IMG] Emboar - Nobody uses this, but Latios and Landorus both handle it well.
    [​IMG] Empoleon - It walls Latios, but that's basically it, since everything else on the team is capable of killing it with Earthquake/Superpower (or in Breloom's case, Focus Punch).
    [​IMG]Espeon - Typically poses little actual threat to my team
    [​IMG] Escavalier - Pretty much nonexistent, and though nothing on the team can switch in, Latios, Deoxys, and Tyranitar are all capable of beating it.
    [​IMG] Excadrill - Mach punch with Breloom.
    [​IMG]Garchomp - Garchomp is dealt with easily by Landorus (HP Ice) and Latios (Draco Meteor). Scizor takes Outrages from scarf sets.
    [​IMG] Gengar - beaten by Scizor and Landorus because they can both take Shadow Balls and Focus Blasts
    [​IMG] Golurk - Latios and Breloom can both beat it, but neither really switches in that well. Golurk's pretty rarely used though, even less so during stage two.
    [​IMG] Gyarados - Beaten by Landorus and Latios.
    [​IMG] Haxorus - Everyone thought Haxorus blew in r2 iirc and I dont even remember fighting any. (because it wasnt popular until the recent CB set) but haxorus was handled by almost any pokemon on my team due to its frailty.
    [​IMG] Heatran - Dealt with easily by landorus thanks to earthquake. Latios also does a lot of damage to it with surf. Breloom and Deoxys can beat weakened Heatran.
    [​IMG] Heracross - Basically unused during round two, but Scizor and Landorus can handle it pretty well.
    [​IMG] Hydreigon - Specs is outsped by latios, scarf lets scizor switch in on draco meteor and lets it set-up. I might lose a Poke to Expert Belt sets, but those were pretty rare round two.
    [​IMG]Infernape - Infernape was pretty much unused during round two, since the Blaziken ban had not taken place yet. Latios beats it anyhow.
    [​IMG] Jirachi - Landorus KO's jirachi with earthquake and scizor can set-up on it. Latios can 2HKO more offensive Jirachi with HP Fire with minimal hazard support.
    [​IMG] Jolteon - Tyranitar can Crunch or Pursuit it, Breloom can take a hit and Mach Punch or Spore, Latios beats it, and Landorus can beat choiced sets or sets running HP Grass.
    [​IMG] Kingdra - Kingdra was a bitch round two, since the Drizzle + SS ban hadn't taken place yet, but the pretty standard core of weather changer + two checks (Latios and Breloom) allows it to be handled without too much trouble. Scizor and Tyranitar can take Draco Meteors.
    [​IMG] Krookodile - Pretty much nonexistent, as far as I know, but anyhow, Breloom beats basically anything it runs.
    [​IMG] Kyurem - Breloom and Scizor both hurt it, Tyranitar can switch in on anything but Focus Blast, and Latios outspeeds and KOs.
    [​IMG] Landorus - Outsped and KO'd by Latios. Scizor hits it for a lot of damage as well.
    [​IMG]Latios - Switch into ttar and pursuit trap it on the draco meteor. Scizor can take a Draco Meteor and Bullet Punch or Bug Bite.
    [​IMG] Lilligant - Sun was somewhat uncommon round two, but the weather changer + two checks core holds true for it too, and Latios, Breloom, Scizor, and Tyranitar can all deal with it.
    [​IMG] Lucario - It can't really set up anywhere. Latios beats specially based sets, and I can eventually wear it down to the point where Scizor can KO with bullet punch.
    [​IMG] Machamp - Pretty much nonexistent round two since everyone used Roobushin.
    [​IMG] Magnezone - The only steel that the team has to trap is Scizor, who can just Superpower it.
    [​IMG] Mamoswine - Ice shard is really a nuicance, but it can be beatan by scizor thanks to bullet punch. Deoxys can beat it if Deo's still alive.
    [​IMG] Metagross - Metagross was really uncommon round two, since it couldn't do shit to rain, but anyhow, Latios and Landorus can handle it.
    [​IMG] Mienshao - Another mon that was pretty uncommon during round two, but Scizor and Breloom hit it hard with priority and Latios can beat it if I don't switch in on U-Turn.
    [​IMG]Politoed - The weather war is annoying, but Latios and Breloom can both handle it as part of the standard stage two weather changer + two checks core. Nothing like taking repeated rain boosted Hydro Pumps though.
    [​IMG] Reuniclus - Scizor deals with reuniclus nicely. TTar can Crunch for some damage.
    [​IMG] Roserade - Landorus, Scizor, Tyranitar, and Latios all hit it pretty hard.
    [​IMG]Rotom-W - Rotom-W was just starting to see popularity during stage two, but most sets were defensive and handled by Breloom or Latios.
    [​IMG]Salamence - Salamence is outsped and KO'd by Latios, it is also beatan by Landorus. Scizor beats weakened Mence.
    [​IMG] Sawsbuck - TTar changes the weather and then Latios can outspeed and KO. Breloom KOs with Mach Punch as well.
    [​IMG] Scizor - Usually immediately lured in and OHKO'd by Deoxys, or, later on, by Latios.
    [​IMG] Scrafty- Scrafty can be spored by breloom, and KO'd by focus punch. Scizor can also set-up on the dragon dance or bulk up set. Deoxys can Superpower if Deoxys is still around.
    [​IMG]Shaymin - Latios handles it nicely.
    [​IMG] Sigilyph - Cosmic Power Sigilyph didn't really start to see use until pretty late into stage three/early stage four.
    [​IMG] Smeargle - Tyranitar can take the Spore thanks to Lum and then Superpower or Crunch it. Scizor and Breloom can hit it with Bullet Punch and Mach Punch before it sets up / passes boosts. Deoxys scares off leads with the threat of Taunt.
    [​IMG]Starmie - In the rain starmie can be a major problem, so i have to win the weather war. Latios can take an ice beam and KO starmie with draco meteor. Scizor can also take a hydro pump and KO it with bug bite.
    [​IMG] Terakion - Latios beats it pretty easily. Scizor and Breloom can also beat it.
    [​IMG] Thundurus - NP sets can be irritating, so best just to not let it set up. Landorus can bluff scarf and beat it if it tries to set up on it, or come in later on and force it to switch by by bluffing scarf. Kinda annoying though.
    [​IMG] Togekiss - Latios and Landorus both handle it with ease. Latios doesn't like taking Thunder Waves, and neither likes taking repeated Air Slashes though. Slower Togekiss are Spored.
    [​IMG] Tornadus - Switch in Tyranitar to change the weather, switch to Latios or Scizor for Hammer Arm/U-Turn or just Pursuit if it's choice locked into Hurricane.
    [​IMG] Tyranitar - Since most ttar are in the lead slot, deoxys-s KO's it with superpower. Scizor also beats it with bullet punch and superpower. Breloom can Spore it, since Lum Tar's pretty rare.
    [​IMG]Venusaur - If i lose the weather war, venasaur can be problematic, especially if it gets a growth up. if it isn't boosted, Latios can take sludge bomb and KO it back with hidden power fire.
    [​IMG] Victini - Tyranitar and Latios can both take V-Creates, though I have to be careful not to switch into U-Turns.
    [​IMG] Virizion - Latios beats it with either Draco Meteor or Psychic pretty well.
    [​IMG] Volcarona - Stealth Rock does 50% damage to it, so the best bet to countering this is landorus since stone edge can hit it for 4x super effective damage, if it doesnt get set up. Otherwise this is probably the hardest sweeper for my team to deal with.
    [​IMG] Weavile - Scizor can Bullet Punch and Breloom can Mach Punch (though the latter has to be sort of careful of Ice Shard).


    Defensive Threats


    [​IMG] Blissey - Scizor and Breloom both beat it, and Tyranitar can hit it for a solid chunk of damage.
    [​IMG] Bronzong - Breloom Spores, Scizor sets up on it, and Tyranitar and Latios both hit it pretty hard.
    [​IMG] Celebi - Celebi was really uncommon during stage two, but Landorus and Latios both beat it.
    [​IMG]Chansey - Scizor sets up on it, Breloom beats it, Landorus sets up fearing only Toxic, and hazards hurt it pretty badly.
    [​IMG]Deoxys-D - Deo-D was pretty much unused stage two.
    [​IMG]Dusclops - Ditto Deo-D.
    [​IMG] Ferrothorn - Tyranitar, Scizor, Breloom, and Latios all hit it for solid chunks of damage. Deo-s lures it in and KOs with HP Fire, and Landorus wears it down pretty quickly with earthquake.
    [​IMG] Forretress - Tyranitar, Latios, and Deoxys all beat it pretty easily. Scizor and Landorus set up on it.
    [​IMG] Gliscor - Landorus lures it in and beats it (HP Ice Landorus wasn't quite commonplace during stage two) and Latios beats it.
    [​IMG] Hippowdon - Latios and Breloom both handle it easily.
    [​IMG] Jellicent - Breloom can Seed Bomb or Spore and doesn't fear status, and TTar and Latios hit it for a solid chunk of damage
    [​IMG]Latias - Tyranitar beats pretty much all Latias. Hardly any run HP Fire so Scizor beats most of them as well.
    [​IMG]Murkrow - Pretty much nonexistent during stage two.
    [​IMG]Ninetales - Sun wasn't as big stage two, and duggy sun basically didn't exist, so Tyranitar could keep switching in. Latios and Landorus also beat Ninetails.
    [​IMG]Politoed - Politoed itself isn't really a problem with Breloom and Latios, but rain teams in general were annoying stage two. Standard two checks + weather changer core works well in dealing with rain though.
    [​IMG]Porygon2 - Breloom handles it fairly well, as does Scizor. Hazards and Sand mess it up a bit too.
    [​IMG]Rotom-W - Breloom and Latios can take some hits and KO back.
    [​IMG] Skarmory - Latios can surf or HP Fire, Tyranitar Fire Blasts it, and Deo-S hits hard with HP Fire.
    [​IMG] Snorlax - Scizor, Tyranitar, and Breloom can handle most Snorlax pretty easily. CB sets can be annoying because they trap Latios though.
    [​IMG] Suicune - Suicune was pretty much nonexistent stage two, but Breloom beats defensive versions while Hazards, Latios, and LO recoil wear down offensive versions.
    [​IMG] Swampert - Pert basically sucks, but I guess Breloom handles it well enough. Latios hits it for a solid chunk of damage, as does Scizor.
    [​IMG] Tentacruel - It spins my hazards, which is annoying, but doesn't really do much other than set TSpikes, which only hits TTar and Deo-S, so it's not really a threat.
    [​IMG]Vaporeon - LO Hydration Rest Vappy was pretty much nonexistent stage two, thank god, and Latios and Breloom both handle defensive versions well. Scizor can hurt it pretty badly barring a scald burn.
    [​IMG] Whimsicott - It Taunts Deo-S which is a pain, but basically the entire team handles it pretty well.
    [​IMG]Xatu - If I see Xatu in the team preview I just play carefully with Deo-S early in the game so it can't reflect my hazards. A ton of stuff sets up on it and TTar hits it really hard.
    [​IMG] Zapdos - Latios, Landorus, and Tyranitar all handle Zapdos.
  2. wraiders11

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    just pointing out, you have 3 guys weak to bug type attacks, and only 1 that resists them. This combined with your sandstorm could leave you screwed to the many excadrills that carry X-scissor. I also notice that if scizor is taken out, your team's synergy is crippled, as you lose your only ice resistance, and the only real counter to starmie and other speedy psychic types (latios please stand) as your only other dark or bug moves are on the slow tyranitar who gets hit hard by almost everything. I would consider giving latios trick to cripple walls like rotom W or skarmory who you have nothing to hit with. if you really want an anit-metagame deoxys, use this one i had- replace spikes and rocks with ice beam and thunderbolt (along with your EVs and HP fire and Superpower). This helps you hit dragons, gliscor, gyarados, skarmory and bulky waters for huge damage which you otherwise lack. I have had great success with that set, i once had a guy switch in a garchomp, OHKO'd with ice beam. Then he brought in Ferrothorn who i OHKO'd with HP fire (i think rocks were up), then he brought in Tyranitar who is OHKO'd with those attack ev's. Good luck!
  3. Puretrainer

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    first and foremost he has 2 bug resists they being: Scizor and Landorus. Quite simply between the 2 of them he's not worrying about bug moves. Second even if exca was carrying x-scissor that just gives landorus an even easier time dealing with him since exca would have to rely on rock slide to damage him. Next Deoxys-s has those specific attacks to deal with mons that trouble his team everything you listed is already handled by a different mon on the team. Deoxys-s also has Spikes/Stealth rock for entry hazard support thats its job to lay hazards putting different moves disrupts the balance of the team. Oh and a final note OF COURSE SYNERGY FALLS APART IF YOU LOSE A MON. Jesus next time you go to rate a team make sure you understand how the team functions before posting a rate -.-
  4. Eternal

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    Pretty solid offensive team. One thing though, I think Expert Belt on Latios would be a better option than Wise Glasses. 20% vs 10% due to super effective. And you want to inflict damage to those Pokemon you are directing your attack as, as "super effective."
  5. Zephyr

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    I've gotten this suggestion a few times before actually, its a good choice by all means, I personally prefer Wiseglasses for the ensured boost, but I've tried both and its really preference as some of the others who play this team use Expert Belt as well. Thank you!
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    Yo Zeph cool team. I have a quick suggestion for your Deo-e lead as I used to run a similar one a test or two ago. Basically that is to drop the Special Attack and dump those 252 evs in Attack. Then add Fire Punch > HP Fire. You basically have the same amount of power (a little more) and Super Power is now maxed and can do loads of damage to Tyranitar. I just calced it, and lead 252 hp / 0 Def tar will be OHKOed 100% of the time as opposed to right now when youre coming up short around 35% of the time. Additionally, with Fire Punch you can now run full speed Deo-e instead of being forced to drop speed (hp fire iv).

    good luck
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    I've also had that suggested to me before, I tried something similar once but I chose HP fire for a reason that I don't even remember anymore, I think it had to do with skarmory or something but I really don't remember. Your suggestion is probably most reliable anyway, I'll make that change if I ever decide to revamp / un-retire the team.
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    Alright Zeph I've talked about this a bit on irc and I think Scarf Landorus would be a good fit on this team,

    Landorus (M) @ Choice Scarf
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    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
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    - Stone Edge
    - U-turn
    - Explosion

    While the bluffing was good for your team and fit, Scarf Land is helping out your big Thundurus weakness and helps more against things like Volcarona. The set is pretty standard, Explosion is on it to take out a threat in a tighter situation. You could go HP Ice instead of boom but it won't 2HKO with Jolly and idk if you want to run Naive on a Scarf set. Your team is good and besides this suggestion there isn't anything else I'd change.
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    Since he already retired this team there is a 0% chance of this brave man taking, or even testing any of your suggestions. You should all know that. But because I'm an asshole I'm going to point out every weakness I can Zeph. Only because I beat you in 9 turns, you dick.

    Regardless of how much I make fun of you I do have some level of respect for your POKEMONING and you're a cool guy (well Pokemon playing cool). All the same you suck and I hate you. But I like how your team is basically 6 lures which is a cool idea.

    You kinda seem weak to most speed boosting Pokemon.

    Return or X-Scissor Excadrill 6-0s if it Swords Dances against Landorus. But thats literally its only free setup. Still it stands a good chance of just plowing through your team with LO and "ATTACK!!".

    Rock Polish HP Ice Landorus cums spiders all over your team. EQ + SE can OHKO everything after rocks. Sets up on a few things although nothing is stopping it from just attacking.

    SD Scizor 6-0s.

    Quiver Dance Volcarona wins here. It has a ton of stuff to set up on and OHKOs every single Pokemon you have.

    Specs Latios OHKOs every Pokemon except TTar and Scizor, both of whom are 2HKOed. Non-HP Fire variants you can't even slow down (aka get lucky) with your own Latios.

    Thunderus weak. The only thing that can out run it is Deoxys who can't do much back. You can wear it down but its going to kill a few things before sand and LO + Scizor finishes it.

    LO Starmie 1-2HKOs your whole team with Hydro Pump + coverage.

    Gyarados 6-0s with Ice Fang, though I have no idea how common that is and I don't believe the usage stats for a second (7% my ass.. more like 2%).

    SD Lucario 6-0s if it dances against -2 Latios.

    Otherwise it looks solid and kind of shows that you can have a ton of weaknesses and win against high level players.
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    Right I agree, It definitely would patch up any loose ends on the team, without only leaving me with some inconvenience. I'd use scarf for ladder consistency if I decide to ever redo this team.


    @yamborski: Fair enough
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    Ok so currently I have been testing out a team that isn't similar to your team but has a lot of common weaknesses, which brings me to say that playing with a high skill level and confidence (while not being haxed) does prevail against a lot of odds. I know you have good predicting skills or else you would never make it far. I would like to make suggestions for you to get this team up and running again, but the team was still for a much more unstable metagame atm, but I will try.

    First I would take the scarf landorus suggestion by TFC except give it hp ice with scarf over explosion. If you were to add explosion now the only thing you have to defeat gliscor is latios.

    Next I would go for the bulky SD scizor set or just standard SD with roost so that you can stay alive longer and have more chances to sweep.

    Lum tyranitar would do great against jellicent and spore looms, which is why I would keep it because you don't need anything slowing your team down however chople ttar does come in handy so those random hidden power fightings and focus blasts don't keep you from getting a kill in. Just standard max hp 88 sp def and mix between atk and spatk should do well. Lum still functions ok but chople ttar can even help with your thundurus weakness. Tbh I think that ttar hits hard enough on your team without so much sp atk investment because you are definately going to get off SR and at least one layer of spikes ( if you add focus sash to deoxys), which would make fire blast Ko ferrothorn much easier and skarm too because even sp def skarm doesn't take fire blast well if you have about half the evs you put into sp atk.

    Your deoxys set is really good because hp fire/fire punch reduces your need for running taunt and has better coverage. I like the idea and suggest you keep it regardless of all the chople ttars going around with the set I suggested for you.

    Life orb latios or specs would 2hko spdef Jirachi on the switch after SR and one spike, but if you like the whole lure idea keep it. From my play I have experienced that SR + 1 spike is enough to have your team completely break another team apart. So using power over luring could definately work.

    Good Luck Man I hope that you can get this team back up and running.
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    Yeah you're right about Chople Tar, me and Franky were talking about it last night, it would definitely help the team in terms of consistency and better deal with Thunderus. Thank you.
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    I saw this team in action in the height of its glory. I could occasionally beat it with my RP Landorus, but at the same time your RP Landorus could do the same. I don't know what you think about this, but I used Breloom for a long time, and I actually found that Mach Punch is an extremely viable alternative over the more common substitute. Obviously you lose some reliability with the switch, but I have found it works wonders and gave a lot of teams a run for their money. It also is able to halt Excadrill in its tracks. The Deo-s set is also extremely potent, though I have found that after the surprise wears off it is not as successful. Either way it is one of the best hazard setters in the game, which can come in handy. Anyway, great job with the team and I would try scarf Landorus in the future if you ever unretire it.
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    I agree, Mach punch is a better choice for the reasons already discussed. Thanks! Also yeah I remember the first time you came across my Deoxys set ;D

    But yeah once the team got known (particularly Deoxys) it does lose a lot of effectiveness. The luring and raw unstandard-ness(lol?) of the team is really what made it ever shine.
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    Hey Zeph pretty impressive team!

    There is much that I can see to improve your team, that others have not already suggested. One of the things I noticed is that you don't have a spinbblocker, and I think Gengar could do really well on this team, but I;m not sured what it would replace. Another nitpick, is to move the 12 SpD Evs on Scizor to HP, to give it slightly better bulk. Also of note is to have Recover or Thunderbolt over Psychic as that would give you more coverage, but recover could give it another chance to sweep late game. A Hasty nature over Naive on Landorus would probably be better since it has lower defense anyway, and gives you a better chance surviving weak attacks.

    GL!
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    Great team dude, I've never seen it but thats because I barely played Round 2.

    I'm just going to second what IFM mentioned. Mach Punch on Breloom is something I wouldn't ordinarily mention but you need more Excadrill checks. It can't set up on anything on this team but its better to be safe than sorry!
    And for the love of god run expert belt, Wise glasses is too weak.
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    Yeah I agree with the Mach Punch part, though I feel like Breloom needs 5 moveslots because Substitute is going to be sorely missed. Thank you.
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    You don't need Substitute, just predict obvious switches. Helps against your Excadrill weakness too.

    Why not run a Specially Defensive Tyranitar. The Special Attack Evs don't really gain you any KOs you wouldn't get with like, 60 Sp Attack (IIRC you still OHKO Breloom and Skarmory with 60 SpA and SRs). Sp def TTar would let you avoid being instantly raped by Latios and even Starmie if you play well enough.
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    TTar gets 95 spatk...
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    Hey Zeph, this is a really great team for its time, and it managed to get me suspect test voting rights in round 2.

    In my opinion, you are not weak to Scizor or Ferrothorn so I don't see the need to try to lure them with that Latios set. You aren't running anything which requires you to run a lure for Scizor and Ferrothorn. You already run Deoxys S, which can lure and defeat them both. I always ran Life Orb with Psycho Shock.

    I also ran a bulkier Breloom when using your team. I believe I ran 252HP/6Atk/252Def with Impish. This spread always survives a +2 LO Bullet Punch from Scizor, handles Gyarados quite well, handles Excadrill extremely well, and it survives a Hidden Power Ice from Landorus with the 252HP which allows you to Spore it.

    Chople Tyranitar would be very helpful here, as others have stated. As for other options, SD Excadrill could be solid to deal with most of the problems this team has, and others that were previously suggested. I would use it over Landorus since he seems like the weak link, and synergy wise is the one to drop. Jolly SD Excadrill with Balloon deals with Starmie, Lucario, Volcarona, Thunderus, Landorus, and Latios and some other problems. It is another steel, which are always appreciated to tank an Outrage. An issue with this fix, is that you would be a bit weaker against Gliscor, but you could always run Return on Excadrill and Ice Beam > Superpower on Deoxys S. Although Deoxys S dies quickly, one must realize Chople Tyranitar is very common, and if Gliscor sees you laying Spikes they probably will not switch. To further supplement the Excadrill suggestion, run Life Orb on Scizor to 2HKO Gliscor at +2 which are always quick to switch in.

    Otherwise, I really enjoyed the team at its prime, and I hope my suggestions were at least somewhat helpful. I didn't try to change all too much, since you are retiring it.
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    Yeah you raised a variety of good points that I forgot about....Thank you.

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