This thread is for discussing our beloved but overlooked frost tree and the Hail in GenV. Sorry if there is a thread like this, but I couldn't find any. Abomasnow #460 Type: Grass/Ice Gender Ratio: 50:50 Egg Group: Monster/Plant Stats: 90 HP/92 Atk/75 Def/92 SpA/85 SpD/60 Spe Abilities: Snow Warming: Summons a hailstorm when entering in the field. Soundproof (DW): This pokémon cannot be affected by sound-based moves. Moves: Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide New moves in Italic Lv.-: Ice Punch Lv.-: Powder Snow Lv.-: Leer Lv.-: Razor Leaf Lv.-: Icy Wind Lv.5: Razor Leaf Lv.9: Icy Wind Lv.13: Grasswhistle Lv.17: Swagger Lv.21: Mist Lv.26: Ice Shard Lv.31: Ingrain Lv.36: Wood Hammer Lv.47: Blizzard Lv.58: Sheer Cold TMs: Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide TM06: Toxic TM07: Hail TM10: Hidden Power TM13: Ice Beam TM14: Blizzard TM15: Hyper Beam TM16: Light Screen TM17: Protect TM18: Rain Dance TM20: Safeguard TM21: Frustration TM22: Solarbeam TM26: Earthquake TM27: Return TM30: Shadow Ball TM31: Brick Break TM32: Double Team TM39: Rock Tomb TM42: Facade TM44: Rest TM45: Attract TM48: Troll TM52: Focus Blast TM53: Energy Ball TM56: Fling TM68: Giga Impact TM70: Flash TM75: Swords Dance TM78: Level Ground TM79: Ice Breath TM80: Rock Slide TM86: Grass Knot TM87: Swagger TM90: Substitute TM94: Rock Smash HM04: Strength Breeding: Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Leech Seed Magical Leaf Seed Bomb Growth Double-Edge Stomp Natural Gift Skull Bash Avalanche Bullet Seed GenIV only moves: Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Focus Punch Water Pulse Giga Drain Iron Tail Secret Power Endure Captivate Sleep Talk Rock Climb Snore Synthesis Mud-Slap Outrage Worry Seed Role Play Block Headbutt Overview When GenV started, there was a lot of speculation about two pokémon because their abilities with the weather: Politoed and Ninetales. Several people were discussing about the new "weather king" ,if will be Sun (Drought Ninetales), Rain (Drizzle Politoed) or Sandstorm (Sand Stream Tyranitar and Hippowdon). Well, they were forgetting one, a big and overlooked monster tree that can bring the most overlooked weather: Abomasnow. Gen V gave a hope of life turning Yeti the only pokémon with Snow Warming ability, which turns the weather an eternal hailstorm, meaning that outside using Hail, there's no form of the Hail weather be present. Other than that, Yeti got only the both attacks-raise Growth (Raises +2 in Sun, but Abomasnow hates Sun). Yes, aside the above-mentioned things, Abomasnow got nothing, but the metagame got a lot. New powerful Fires (Hihidaruma, Victini), Bugs (Agurida, Ulgamoth), Flyers (Wargle), Steels (Nattorei, Kobauron), Fighters (All the new-introduced), as well new Poison moves (Venom Shock, Clear Smog, Acid Bomb) will probably make Abomasnow's life miserable again. Even some old ones like Ninetales, Venomoth and Miltank and even the ever useful Stealth Rock got things that threaten Yeti more than before. It's a cruel world. However, Yeti has its selling points. His SubSeed is awesomely useful and he has the niche of getting rid of Politoed and his crappy downpour. He also serves as a check for Hippowdon that tries to make SS swallow the field. His type also allows him to come into most Water, Electric and Ground moves, crippling most of the aforementioned moves' users.And with the new dragons, flyers and grounds roaming around, STAB Blizzard is more useful than before. Overall, Abomasnow will retain his niche of bringing hail and spamming strong blizzards. A good and fearsome poké if played correctly. Possible movesets I can remember now: Ice chunks keep falling on my head (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Ice chunks keep falling on my head (open) Ice chunks keep falling on my head (close) @Focus Sash Ability: Snow Warming Quiet Nature/Brave Nature Evs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 SpA ~ Blizzard ~ Ice Shard ~ Earthquake ~ Protect /Wood Hammer Abomasnow lead to hail begins. I actually don't like to lead with the SubSeed or the Scarfed, so I use this to put Hail under effect early. Blizzard will never miss in Hail and its quite powerful coming from 92 base SpA. Ice Shard serves for the sole purpose of taking out defensive weak Sash users like Aerodactyl and Azelf, as well the Genies. Earthquake covers Ice nicely, as only Bronzong and Surskit resist both Ground and Ice without help of Magnet Rise. The last slot is if you want to bypass Fake Out and stall a bit (Protect) or if you want to kill Swampert and Politoed (Wood Hammer). Hail SubSeed! (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Hail SubSeed! (open) Hail SubSeed! (close) @Leftovers Ability: Snow Warming Calm Nature Evs: 252 HP/4 SpA/252 SpD ~ Substitute ~ Leech Seed ~ Blizzard ~ Focus Punch/Protect The classical and annoying SubSeed Yeti is back for a new Generation. Substitute, Leech Seed and then watch your non-Grass, non-Liquid Ooze and non-Magic Guard foe perish to Leech Seed, Hail damage and, if present, Toxic Spikes. Blizzard sends Grasses to the hell. A cold and dark hell. In the last slot, Focus Punch, albeit physical with a Calm Nature, lets you make a good damage to some Steels, Blissey, Snorlax and Tyranitar, while Protect lets you stall a bit more. Works great with Burunkeru. Dear Santa Claus. For this Christmas (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Dear Santa Claus. For this Christmas (open) Dear Santa Claus. For this Christmas (close) @Choice Scarf Ability: Snow Warming Hasty Nature Evs: 140 Atk/116 SpA/252 Spe ~ Blizzard ~ Wood Hammer ~ Earthquake ~ HP Fire A good revenge killer while holding a Choice Scarf. Blizzard and Wood Hammer are very powerful STAB moves that can open holes in the opponent's team. Earthquake is Earthquake. No explanation needed. HP Fire works for that Steels that aren't totally handicapped by Earthquake. Can work as a Hail lead if you want. Dear Santa Claus. For this Christmas (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Dear Santa Claus. For this Christmas (open) Dear Santa Claus. For this Christmas (close) @Life Orb Ability: Snow Warming Quiet Nature/Brave Nature Evs: 252 Atk/252 SpA/4 SpD ~ Blizzard ~ Wood Hammer/Grass Knot ~ Earthquake ~ Ice Shard/HP Fire Even though he's weak to Bullet Punch, Vacuum Wave and Mach Punch, Abomasnow works pretty well in a Trick Room team with his low Spe. Blizzard you already know. Your other STAB is if you want to beat the things physically (Wood Hammer) or specially (Grass Knot). The former is generally preferred, but if you're fighting against a TR opposite team, use the latter as most of the abusers are heavy and has considerably lower SpD (Rypherior, Whishcash, Crawdaunt). Earthquake is coverage. Ice Shard is preferred in the last slot when the effect of TR finishes, but you can also use HP Fire for more coverage. Swordsmaster from the cold mountains (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Swordsmaster from the cold mountains (open) Swordsmaster from the cold mountains (close) @Life Orb Ability: Snow Warming Adamant Nature/Jolly Nature Evs: 252 Atk/4 SpD/252 Spe ~ Swords Dance ~ Ice Shard/Ice Punch ~ Wood Hammer/Seed Bomb ~ Earthquake Abomasnow has two forms of boosting his attacking stats. The first form is via Swords Dance, that only boosts its Atk. Since he won't use his SpA anymore, Blizzard became unnapealing, so you have to stick with either Ice Shard or Ice Punch. The former (almost) always hits first, while the latter is more powerful with 10% chance of freezing. Wood Hammer is your main Grass STAB, but you may opt for Seed Bomb because recoil+LO = Quick Death. The power drop is significant, though. Finally you have Earthquake because it's physical and gets good coverage. Christmas tree with steroids (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Christmas tree with steroids (open) Christmas tree with steroids (close) @Life Orb Ability: Snow Warming Hasty Nature/Mild Nature Evs: 116 Atk/140 SpA/252 Spe ~ Growth ~ Blizzard ~ Wood Hammer/Eartquake ~ Earthquake/HP Fire/Substitute The second form of Abomasnow raise his offensive stats is via Growth, which now raises your both attacks by one level (+2 if Sun, but you need to switch when the Sun takes place). Once you boosted your offenses, attack like there's no tomorrow. Blizzard, again you don't need explanation. Your third move is crucial for the set. Wood Hammer is for sheer power and a "screw you, Waters" move, but you can drop your other STAB to put a coverage move like so many other pokémon do (Like Gengar, Metagross, Latios, Doryuuzu, Nidoking and Dragonite to name a few) using Earthquake. If the third slot was tricky, the fourth is even trickier. Earthquake was already explained, HP Fire makes Scizor cry somewhat and threaten Foretress and Nattorei, and finally Substitute makes you somewhat avoid some attacks while growing. Stallasnow (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Stallasnow (open) Stallasnow (close) @ Large Root / Leftovers 252 Def, 4 Sp.A, 252 SpD Nature: Calm (+SpD, - Atk) Ability: Snow Warning - Magic Coat [HGSS move-tutor] - Leech Seed - Giga Drain [HGSS TM] / Light Screen / Protect - Blizzard With no HP investment and Large Root, Abomasnow should heal a large portion of its HP. Magic Coat works against many attacks including Taunt, Stealth Rock, W-o-w, and even Whirlwind. Leech Seed allows Abomasnow to Stall foes for damage while healing back HP, as does Giga Drain. With Giga Drain's boost in power, combined with Leech Seed, Abomasnow can take advantage of Large Root to stay healthy. Blizzard is simply for power, and can aid Abomasnow in hitting Grass, Dragon, and Flying types that resist Giga Drain. Large Root can be replaced by Leftovers, and Giga Drain can be replaced with Light Screen / Protect to promote sustainability [in order to maintain Hail]. You can also use CB and Specs, but it's hard to be locked in a Grass or an Ice move. It's set-up bait for the enemy. Feel free to discuss, post movesets and admins, to close if there's something wrong.