Postgame Acid City's Trouble [Day 4/End: City Win! 4/10 Players]

Nobody thinks inactives will flip scum. There's a big difference between being actually inactive and posting the bare minimum to get by (aka enough to not get subbed).

Posting a lot of words doesn't make someone more "active" than someone who doesn't.
 
No you're right and it's a good contribution.

I don't think inactivity = mafia. But there is a definite correlation between trying to stay under the radar and players who are not confident are playing scummy roles, especially on Smogon where people aren't familiar with NOC and have trouble keeping up. For these players having to force genuine town play as opposed to just hanging around contributing junk it's a nightmare. And playing scum isn't even fun for them. So the important differentiation is inactivity that is really inactive and inactivity that seems like intentional lurking.

It's sort of like a bell curve. People who contribute the most tend to be town unless they're just fluffposting and not really trying to actually advance the game or contribute ideas (showing up but not really showing their work). People who fall in the middle flying under the radar, clearly aware of the game but not able to participate in it, tend to be scum. People at the extremes of inactivity can be either scum or mafia and parsing it can be tough.

That's why I'm not paying attention to Ullar's inactivity but to Dullagamur's, because I think Dullagamur's is more likely to be motivated by their role (she shows a lot of eagerness until actually having to play). It's of course possible she's legit just inactive in which case she should show up and catch up.
 
Also, confident scum tend to try to take preemptive leads as well but their contributions tend to be slightly different since they have to be careful not to alienate people (a confident townie's life is numerically worth less unless they have a power role :P), which is why I'm refusing to clean Blazade off activity
 
Jumpluff you misunderstood my BT comment if you thought I was accusing him for it. It boiled down to "If BT is scum that is a really bad and obvious push to make" and I thought my tone conveyed that I ultimitely thought his post carried legitimacy.

Liking all the jumpluff posts. I don't know why you directed the jalmont point at me, I put him higher on the inactives a while earlier for pretty much reason.

Dullagamur's been awake for long enough, she should have posted by now.

Not exactly in a place to big post, on my phone now lol
 
Yeah I meant DLE

Idk why I confused you sry

And yeah I went back and read it, I was more concerned you were pocketing my strong reaction rather than jumping on BT. But I did read it as either 'BT is super scum or super town' and missed that you were implying he wouldn't do that if he was scum so that's fair, I agree with you.
 
Blazade i want to town read you after me fucking up my read on you in dbz until after i died, pls give me something alignment indicative

pluff still leans town. still don't feel the jalmont read because jalmont dont give a fuck as either alignment (see - me and most people town reading jalmont for basically being jalmont in dbz until claiming screwed him over). I think this fits with how I would imagine jalmont scum but I don't think I've ever played with jalmont noc scum outside of in dbz being a neutral.

Jalmont, describe your scum meta (if you feel you have one in particular)
 
DLE I have still never rolled scum in a NOC (Amnesiac doesn't count cause I didn't know for sure I was scum until it was too late and even then I didn't know my scumteam so it doesn't apply). All I can say is I would try to act like I usually do and the first time that happens everyone can find out together how successful I am. This isn't that time.

Your read on me was based on valid info and misunderstandings in DBZ so I wouldn't feel too mich contrition over that lol.

Playstyle wise I'm not really aggressive even if I'm talkative. I feel like what we need most is a drama queen like Sam to start stupid shit that gets other people talking about real things and this is the first time I'm realizing it because for the first time the whole playerlist is civil. I can't really be that guy though.

Jalmont's style is something I have seen from both alignments but there was a difference between DBZ and Double Pin under pressure at least, and a few passive differences. It's not hard to appear town as a wolf when you're also uninformed, that confidence only breaks down when you have to defend yourself. As of now he's not acting like he has an agenda or making an effort to lay low which gives him a slight town lead over other then-less-actives in my opinion.

DLE what is Cancerous's scumgame?
 
Da Letter El said:
where i'm at:
_______

town:

me

butteredtoast

jumpluff

cancerous
ullar

null:

blazade

idlephoenix
idullagamur

king_

scum:

jalmont
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I literally forgot acid was in this game until you posted this

acid has a huge record of doing that exact idle thing I said.. I don't know if he even does it as both alignments.. but he definitely does it as mafia and I've seen it before. Disappears for a week even.

/vote acidphoenix

Normally I wouldn't even advocate lynching an idler D1 because you don't learn anything typically and haven't got good odds of hitting scum typically but from acid it's awfully weird unless he is straight up inactive (not true) and in that case more votes on him might make the hosts prod him idk.

Otherwise where I'm at right now is (and I alphabetise within tiers)

town -> scum

jumpluff - It is known

ButteredToast - if he's scum it's gonna become obvious soon, because this guy is playing mega pure. He's done a couple of things worth noting but nothing that takes him out of the super townie pile and I believe he sincerely thought he had scum when he found me so that shows intent to solve and show his work when he thinks it's relevant, which satisfies me I think
Blazade - I think he's capable of this as any alignment and he has a remarkable capability to come across as neither alignment due to general voice of reason style, but I believe of all the players blazade has shown the most agenda in his reactions to discussion and his insistence on steering it (I believe it's pro town; initially I wondered if it was an attempt to stifle discussion from setup-minded players but his DBZ citation seemed more than convenient and since nobody is acting mega towny I'll accept this for now). Would like to see more answers:question ratio but probability is good for town
Ullar - Ullar is generally busy so I'm not worried about his inactivity, his tiny amount of posts have had content and more importantly brought up new things without looking like he's deflecting from the current things. Seems fine for now but I'd like him to post serious opinions on the lynch

Jalmont - already cited reasons, will address below readlists dle's post. Also raisin toast. This guy is dropping tho since I read the last page since I saw the blazade extra vote thing. I agree he dgaf as either alignment so I don't see that as sign of town casualness. Anyway will address

Cancerous - not doing anything, comes across as pure Cancerous but would meme as either alliance and is gettin gpast the point where he can be said to have excuses. Needs to start having actual input since we're past RVS. I am concerned about Cancerous sliding by on the 'lolcancerous' I guess
Da Letter El - IDK how to articulate this exactly but this looks like town DLE for now although it's an oddly relaxed and consistent one. Not so many popins, more sustained contribution and guidance. But at the point of D1 can't measure it. What he's showing now is proactiveness and interest in the gamestate. Would've liked to see reasons on that read list though.. Would expect independent thought as either alliance, noting he was the real first on the BT is town train but didn't seem to be buddying BT in that at all. Why is he not pushing Jalmont like he is pushing Blazade?

King_ - this guy is not a bad player at all but knows idling kills (and is generally a super eager participant, I like him) and as such is incentivised to participate, even if he's struggling. A lot of what he's saying is so questionable though I don't know if he is really thinking from a town POV or just has trouble expressing himself, so I really really really would like him to clarify. What are 'real things' to discuss that we need someone like UncleSam for that we can't do ourselves, and what would King_ like to see us discuss? He seems to be defaulting to safe topics himself rather than giving strong opinions on other users. The one opinion he had ('DLE could be buddying Blazade') I prodded him and he wouldn't answer on. That being said, I can't tell if the anxiety I read in his posts is anxiety to come across as town or anxiety to be of use, so I'd like to give him more time to settle in and more stuff to observe, and less on the defensive.
Dullagamur - shouldn't be inactive, weird pointed question if we had results then disappeared with nothing to say apparently

acidphoenix - has a history of saying nothing when scum

I can see what you're saying about jalmont I guess dle, but I think he has a point that in DBZ as a neut against lots of other neuts and a maf team he was very uninformed and would play like a townie most of the game. That being said no situation has come up yet to test anyone much really. I do have trouble reading him bc I haven't played with him much lol. I have a really strong belief that calmness in most situations is a townie trait but it's hard to measure...I don't see your scum read on him tho and if you have a serious scum read at this point why are you not pushing and pressing it? I default to town because what he's said has largely been correct and helpful, but I'm starting to see it less because it's too much helpfulness and not enough discussion sparking. Very few opinions of his own.
 
King_ said:
Can I ask why Cancerous and Ullar are your town reads?
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Cancerous has fit with how I'd expect him to play town so far. A post or two of trolling with the getting high post and a post or two of "I don't know who scum is but I'm going to get evidence." This fits with what I know of town!Cancerous; he cares a lot about proof and doesn't take the game too seriously until later on once things have happened. Not a hard playstyle to emulate so far as scum, and if by day 3 he hasn't generated a real scum read or scum push he's probably just scum. Light town.

Ullar has independent thoughts on me and his reasoning behind wanting King_ lynched. His reasoning for voting me was bad but showed actively trying to scumhunt and find evidence at an early enough point for me to give town cred to. Could easily be scum motivated in trying to get a scumread on SOMEONE for SOMETHING but I don't initially get that sense. So he's a light town read.

Going to read through the jalmont scum game in a bit.

Blazade I don't know Cancerous' scum game, but I know his town game from a few examples and this fits it well.
 
jumpluff I don't have a super srs scum case/scum read on jalmont or I would be pushing it; it's mostly a light gut/tone read, which I'm not amazing at. Jalmont's usually a bit sassy but I don't think he's usually this sassy. Idk it just feels off.

This d1 has been super tame and it's easy to look towny when the vote isn't putting down a whole lot of pressure.

unvote jalmont
vote acidphoenix

maybe this will revive the phoenix
 
Hey Pluff, I've read your post, but can you lay out the questions you have for me in like this format?
First of all I do not know how to express my opinions in a laid out manner like you do. So I'm just better off answer the questions 1 by 1.
1.
2.
 
Because UncleSam is asleep probs. Why am I still awake?

Votecount (1.3):
Acidphoenix (3) - Blazade, Jumpluff, Da Letter El.
Blazade (1) - Acidphoenix.
Jumpluff (1) - ButteredToast.
Dullagamur (1) - Jalmont.
 
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