Postgame Acid City's Trouble [Day 4/End: City Win! 4/10 Players]

I forgot to really look at the voting thing. So disregard my comment before. jumpluff Can I get your full reasoning behind the Acid Lynch?


I'm done with work for the day and have my Olympic fix, so time to buckle down and catch up on the game.



That's like throwing down two people I've seen once in passing before and telling me that I have to shoot someone. It's a bad call to make, because I have really dumb reasons for choosing one over the other. But I'd probably lynch Dullagamur over Acid, on the sole belief that I think that acid would feel more pressure to be active if he was on a scumteam.

**Woah, the inactives showed up! Guess this is mildly irrelevant now, but this is my answer anyways so I'll keep it in here.**

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Those arguing about discussing gamespec...

I always found there to be merit in it. It helps the village make a gameplan and discuss ideas. Discussion is always good because it gets people talking and thinking. It's a great way to start the game and it helps players who aren't use to formats to understand what they have to do in the game.

I find it curious though how the early talk of DLE asking people to claim negative night actions against you died and never came fully into light. I haven't saw anyone posting anything relevant regarding how they were targeted N0. This isn't a cold open NOC, and if someone got targeted by a night role they can deduce from the role list is mafia, it gives us something to play off of besides speculation.

If he didn't bring that up, I dunno if I would have thought about that because I'm too use to playing cold open games without results day 1.

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You're reading the votes ass backwards. I'm voting for Jumpluff and Jumpluff is voting for acidphoenix. Reasons for these was found in the thread itself. Have you read it? I mean it's a long ass thread to read, but you should be reading it and taking notes down in some fashion.

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I thought about avoiding the King_ thing because it makes me look like I'd bandwagon to you all who are pressuring him. I think DLE is on a great train of thought with his observation and analysis.

I thought of saying something because of my thoughts on King_. In AM2, he played me perfectly with his night actions and what he did in the thread. I was the night killer and he the watcher, and he caught me killing alone and knew I was the killer. He proceeded to set me up in a web because I needed the watcher dead, and if I killed him it would have outed me as mafia. I remember it distinctly because I was really amazed by it because I didnt see it coming and just wrote it off as nonsensical, and going into this game I saw him as a stronger player.

That's why his game play seems off this game. Now, he might have just gotten lucky in the last game and just did random things at the right time to get a perfect result, but I find it highly unlikely. But in this game he seems to be pushing a beginner feel and that he's making weird reads and posts like he doesn't fully get what's going on.

I don't know if he is doing this as a cover to kind of get by? But at the same time he got himself into this mess through this. I don't think he was too pressured before he started doing weird things.

I also don't like him calling me town. I feel like with what Jumpluff noting that I stood up for him, he might be buddying me a bit if he was mafia. The whole "town because he is participating" argument is weak and is simplifying the "Town = active / Scum = Inactive" shit we see every game and I went over that.

Not much to really say about king right now but I thought I'd say that at least.

I was saying that you guys actually made arguments towards each other and it felt genuine to me.
If you feel like I'm "buddying" you just because I called you a townread why didn't you say I was "buddying" Jumpluff because (they) is my town read as well.
 
If you feel like I'm "buddying" you just because I called you a townread why didn't you say I was "buddying" Jumpluff because (they) is my town read as well.

Because no one has connected you in the thread to Jumpluff, and someone has already made the connection from you to me. It's mostly irrelevant, because it's just a lazy read explanation on your part. But I'm drawing attention to it anyways just because it's something I would see it as a decent mafia play to try to expand a connection with another player.

No response on the other things I said too, like how I think you're playing a bit fake. Pressing you on that though is secondary to the other things you need to be talking about now though.
 
I feel like what you're saying is that I can easily say that dle is buddying cancerous and ullar because he townreads them. Making the situation of dle buddying cancerous or "out there". Don't think what I'm saying is lazy explanation, as I've said before I'm terrible at expressing my thoughts. Only a few people are really good at that ( imo ). Can you give me a full list of what questions you want me to answer, I'm really bad at finding certain topics you want my opinion on, thanks ;)
 
This game is hard because it's filled with players that in their first games that they played in with me, I read them as bad and they were not bad. Which complicates things. These users are Cancerous and acidphoenix. Normally I would find both suspicious but this time not so much because of that experience.

Ullar is a player I don't really have past experience with (not counting innocent child times) but his play is so darn similar to acid's that ugh I just don't know. I guess he is a scum read for me at this point though if only because he hasn't placed a real vote (or at least vote that he didn't explain as a "meme" vote).

Dullagamur play has just been really weird. I thought she played NOC but it doesn't really seem like it so I can't tell if I'm being played or if I'm missing something here.

I don't agree with a lot of BT has to say but that doesn't mean he's bad. His liking of gamespec for example. The main thing is him jumping on pluff but I don't know that that's really enough for me to want to call a lynch...

...and that's really because my man king has come back here with the above post which is very interesting because it's a claim? and it's pretty early too i say altho i guess timezone issues and what not. to the point tho King's claim is very suspect lol like sorry but if you're going to go to the trouble of claiming "town power role" you gotta just go through it and claim it all right? right? that's a bad defense and even though i've been ambivalent on king all day maybe leaning town that right there would make me willing to throw down a vote.

Yikes, I remember when I used to be good at mafia x_x
 
This game is hard because it's filled with players that in their first games that they played in with me, I read them as bad and they were not bad. Which complicates things. These users are Cancerous and acidphoenix. Normally I would find both suspicious but this time not so much because of that experience.

Ullar is a player I don't really have past experience with (not counting innocent child times) but his play is so darn similar to acid's that ugh I just don't know. I guess he is a scum read for me at this point though if only because he hasn't placed a real vote (or at least vote that he didn't explain as a "meme" vote).

Dullagamur play has just been really weird. I thought she played NOC but it doesn't really seem like it so I can't tell if I'm being played or if I'm missing something here.

I don't agree with a lot of BT has to say but that doesn't mean he's bad. His liking of gamespec for example. The main thing is him jumping on pluff but I don't know that that's really enough for me to want to call a lynch...

...and that's really because my man king has come back here with the above post which is very interesting because it's a claim? and it's pretty early too i say altho i guess timezone issues and what not. to the point tho King's claim is very suspect lol like sorry but if you're going to go to the trouble of claiming "town power role" you gotta just go through it and claim it all right? right? that's a bad defense and even though i've been ambivalent on king all day maybe leaning town that right there would make me willing to throw down a vote.

Yikes, I remember when I used to be good at mafia x_x
The thing is I don't want to just let Mafia know my role, If I don't die then claiming my full role would've been stupid as that just give Mafia info. Also I am west coast.
 
i'm too tired to sort out my conflicts in both believing or disbelieving the king soft and in thinking if jalmont's last post reads towny or scummy to me

king softing so early is super weird and makes me think a partner told him to do it but i also think his tone around the soft seems more genuine than not
 
Last post before I sleep. 4:08 AM

I'd really appreciate it if you guys could get plur off me. I am a town power role. I am not saying my full role as if I do live then Mafia would still be confused.
Hopefully some people are active and see this before day 1 ends.

Goodnight.
 
OK I am back. Sorry for the lack of posting yesterday (I was out), and I'm going to a concert today so it's gonna be similar. I have been reading everything though and I'm really confused about King_.

He's still kinda committed to his "random" reads on DLE and me even after days of posting, compliments wallposts because "I guess they have to care", gives the "if I did it defense" first thing, like he knows that his behavior was questionable when I was only pressing him, and falls back on a PR claim at the drop of a hat when the wagon on him isn't even big enough to be final.

Let's talk about this PR claim. At the very least, 6/7 if not 7/7 town roles are "PR", and by the tone I don't think he's talking about the unique "town power" in this game. At this point Dulla's said enough that there are 5 vanilla this game that the Mafia have read it and understood the implications, but she is necessarily Scum or Town Power or Town Protective. When Dulla first says this, she quotes King and explicitly reminds him of that moments after him posted, so I'd put him in this category too for not correcting Dulla.

Bottom Line, King_ falling back on a claim is exactly what almost got him through DBZ, something I'd put him on being able to do in res as scum, and in this setup where everyone can do something doesn't carry a lot of weight. The only reason I'm having second thoughts is I'm legitimately confused about his play and I'm doubling back to reconsider how much of it has to be genuine. And that's where I worry about possible bias from a past game in DBZ because there I bought this exact act only to definitively find him scum.

I also wonder where the counterwagon is but the scum only has one buddy and there have been a few positive statements thrown in there. I've liked DLE's behavior in getting involved with my push and he's said a lot that I would have in the moment, and BT for commenting on it, but most others have really hung back on this and it's disappointing. We had time to parse everything out and change wagons easily and we let that luxury slip away. I likely won't be back all day since I won't even want to be distracted by reading to keep up on my phone so I'm going to leave my vote where it is.
 
If King isn't going to be around, we're gonna need to decide for ourselves whether we believe King_'s soft or not. I'm inclined not to; I think the timing of the soft is super weird being so far from deadline but if he knew he wouldn't be able to be very active today it's possible he got out ahead of it now and the read's null.

Regardless, I think King as town has better reads by now, even if they're not perfectly articulated ones. These reads don't feel like true reads poorly articulated, they just feel bad and he seems to be stubbornly sticking with them over thinking about how the game has developed. I don't think this is his town game.
 
tbf, there is a large possibility in the setup for there to be town power roles scattered about in a plentiful way (correct me if I'm wrong on this)

call this uninformed, but I think Blazade's buddying dle a weeeeeeeeee bit b/c he simply agrees with him; don't call people town b/c they parrot you (whether this is parroting or not, it's jsut a general thing), call them town for their unique actions

ftr, I similarly believe King_'s actions are akin to those in DBZ, but I've never really seen him as not scum before, so it's hard to gauge.

you want me to place an actual vote, Jalmont ? here you go;

/vote King_

King_'s play has been consistent with his scumplay, as has already been stated; I think it's worth the calculated risk
 
Ullar I am always paranoid of people that agree with me to a certain extent but I was more speaking about his effort and the nature of his questions rather than the conclusions he was drawing. It's genuine follow up effort.
 
Votecount (1.5)
King_ (3) - Blazade, Da Letter El, Ullar
Dullagamur (2) - Jalmont, King_
Acidphoenix (1) - Jumpluff
Blazade (1) - Acidphoenix.

Deadline is in just under 8 hours
 
do we need majority to lynch
If 51+% votes are on a player, the player will be lynched immediately (Hammered)
If day ends, the player who received the most votes (In case of a tie in votes, the one that received the votes first) is lynched.

Votecounts should be displayed in higher votes and order.
 
oh yea that's right

well i'm here for about two more hours in case ppl want to entertain a different lynch. otherwise i will likely keep my vote on dullagamur ? but we'll see
 
Meh fuck it, I'm not going to be here and since no one's talking and thus convincing me to change my mind, I think King's soft-claim is too suspect to pass by.

/unvote /vote king_
 
I'm alright with a King_ lynch I guess. We need to lynch someone and he seems like the best choice... But at the same time, the way he's playing by claiming early feels off and like this is bad.

But at the same time, where is no target that feels better.
 
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