Feeling less lazy. I'll start with why I think Suicune is a bit overrated.
The only Suicune sets that I feel do anything are the offensive sets, generally the non-sub ones, but the sub ones can do work too, and Crocune. I don't think I need to explain why I think that the offensive sets are great. Over the last year, I've felt that Crocune is nuts because it just wrecks normal Suicune answers like Zapdos, Blissey, Regice, Celebi if you play the long game and PP stall the Seeds, and you're gonna wreck most of the tier after a few boosts. Sleep Talk is what makes Crocune way better than the sets that run Roar or Ice Beam over Sleep Talk. Maybe those two options were better when ADV was a much slower paced metagame, but giving your opponent two free turns to switch into whatever they want is not acceptable. That's two turns where you're a sitting duck. With Sleep Talk, you narrow down the number of Pokemon they can switch into your Suicune. They have to play the offensive and try to Whirlwind you if they're playing stall, or bash you down if they're playing offense. Against the offensive teams, Sleep Talking an unboosted Surf against a Salamence or a Heracross, or some comparable threat is huge, especially if there's sand. Those threats are on a timer. Once there time is up, you're in prime position to win the game.
Even though I spent like 200 words praising Suicune there, I still think that Suicune is at the top of A and not S. The offensive sets are stellar, but they require a bit of team support to do much. Against a stall squad, you need to boom or trap or severely weaken their Blissey in order for Suicune to do what it needs to do. Against offense, you're using Suicune as both a switch into their Metagross', their Tyranitar's, and maybe their Mence's. Since Suicune is playing two roles against these squads, it is not going to be lasting nearly as long as the defensive sets. That being said, it doesn't need to be lasting long because if you can set it up on one of the two chances you'll have to put in some work with Cune, then you're gonna be doing major work. But, this lack of consistency is making me lean toward Suicune being on top of A and not the bottom of S.
The only Suicune sets that I feel do anything are the offensive sets, generally the non-sub ones, but the sub ones can do work too, and Crocune. I don't think I need to explain why I think that the offensive sets are great. Over the last year, I've felt that Crocune is nuts because it just wrecks normal Suicune answers like Zapdos, Blissey, Regice, Celebi if you play the long game and PP stall the Seeds, and you're gonna wreck most of the tier after a few boosts. Sleep Talk is what makes Crocune way better than the sets that run Roar or Ice Beam over Sleep Talk. Maybe those two options were better when ADV was a much slower paced metagame, but giving your opponent two free turns to switch into whatever they want is not acceptable. That's two turns where you're a sitting duck. With Sleep Talk, you narrow down the number of Pokemon they can switch into your Suicune. They have to play the offensive and try to Whirlwind you if they're playing stall, or bash you down if they're playing offense. Against the offensive teams, Sleep Talking an unboosted Surf against a Salamence or a Heracross, or some comparable threat is huge, especially if there's sand. Those threats are on a timer. Once there time is up, you're in prime position to win the game.
Even though I spent like 200 words praising Suicune there, I still think that Suicune is at the top of A and not S. The offensive sets are stellar, but they require a bit of team support to do much. Against a stall squad, you need to boom or trap or severely weaken their Blissey in order for Suicune to do what it needs to do. Against offense, you're using Suicune as both a switch into their Metagross', their Tyranitar's, and maybe their Mence's. Since Suicune is playing two roles against these squads, it is not going to be lasting nearly as long as the defensive sets. That being said, it doesn't need to be lasting long because if you can set it up on one of the two chances you'll have to put in some work with Cune, then you're gonna be doing major work. But, this lack of consistency is making me lean toward Suicune being on top of A and not the bottom of S.
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