Item Assault Vest

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For some reason I thought of Shuckle when I saw this Item. In Sand he hits 1381 Special Defense. Not sure If there's a great way to utilize him, but even without sand he's still overall just as bulky as blissey. Bound to be some fun shenanigans in NU with him.

Although his attack stat is 100% garbage he could run a Knock off, wrap, dig/ final gambit/sandtomb set.
 
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Agreeing with bribery that Goodra seems like an excellent user of Assault Vest at the moment imo. Goodra has a decently wide offensive movepool to work with, with some great coverage between moves such as Draco Meteor, Fire Blast, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Muddy Water, Sludge Bomb, Focus Blast, etc, so i don't think Goodra would miss the inability to use status inducing moves that much with its current movepool (unless it gets recover by breeding with Milotic or something, just a thought). Goodra already has some great special bulk too, and Assault Vest just makes it even harder to KO on the special side. I could see Goodra pretty easily switching in multiple times per match because of the assault vest and launching decently strong attacks with good coverage to wear the opponent down every time it does so until it eventually gets worn down by passive damage and such. To get a feel for exactly how well Goodra can take hits with an assault vest equipped, here are a few damage calcs of goodra taking various special attacks from Pokemon currently in the OU tier/Former OU but now ubers mons, +1 Special Defense being used to simulate the assault vest's boost, stats used are from serebii.

252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Ice Beam vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 101-120 (26.3 - 31.25%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Analytic Starmie Ice Beam vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 133-156 (34.63 - 40.62%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

+1 252 SpA Life Orb Volcarona Bug Buzz vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra: 138-164 (35.93 - 42.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Latias Draco Meteor vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 234-276 (60.93 - 71.87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra: 109-129 (28.38 - 33.59%) -- 0.1% chance to 3HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Icy Wind vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra: 86-102 (22.39 - 26.56%) -- possible 4HKO (i know its still vulnerable to secret sword ;-;)

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra: 149-177 (38.8 - 46.09%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 300-354 (78.12 - 92.18%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

The fact that it can survive the last one at all is really impressive if you ask me >_>
 
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Molk said:
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Goodra: 320-380 (83.33 - 98.95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Holy... That thing is bulky! It still can't switch into Latios, but who would switch a Dragon into Latios in the first place? Can it OHKO Latios in return?
 
nikovan said:
Holy... That thing is bulky! It still can't switch into Latios, but who would switch a Dragon into Latios in the first place? Can it OHKO Latios in return?
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Yeah it definitely can, Goodra's Draco Meteor gets a clean OHKO on Latios with no prior damage

252+ SpA Goodra Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Latios: 380-450 (126.24 - 149.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Also oh fuck i forgot about the X/Y Special Moves nerfs when i did those calcs :s, so the Draco Meteors and Ice Beams etc actually do a bit less, fixing my post with correct calcs now, Goodra Draco Meteor damage is with 130 BP.

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Magnezone could be neat with this, as the only status moves it uses are Thunder Wave and Substitute. Meanwhile, it can Charge Beam to boost it's SpA. It might miss lefites though.

Magnezone @ Assault Vest
Ability: Magnet Pull / Analytic
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 Def
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt / Discharge
- Flash Cannon
- Charge Beam / Volt Switch
- Hidden Power [Fire] / Hidden Power [Ice]

The set is pretty simple. Using it's already good bulk, Assault Vest, and its high Special Attack, Magnezone can act as a strong special tank. Magnet Pull is the preferred ability so that Magnezone can keep doing it's Steel-killing shenanigans, while Analytic makes you even stronger thanks to Magnezone's poor speed. TBolt is your main STAB, while Discharge has a sweet 30% para change, and lets you "cheat" Assault Vest. Flash Cannon smacks Fairy's hard in the face, while acting as a good back-up STAB. Charge Beam is used to boost Magenzone's SpA even higher, while Volt Switch is for momentum. HP Fire is to smack Steel-types with Magnet Pull, but Analytic should use HP Ice for its better coverage.
 
but wasnt the point of the sp bulk ttar was to garentee having rocks out? With assult vest, it wouldnt be able to do that (if I understand what the item does correctly) that would also mean that walls wont be able to recover either since they are pretty much under perma taunt. But I can see it being useful on maybe chomp or other dragons who would use that damage reduction berry so it can tank ice moves better.
 
Maybe tyrantrum could use it, although probably in lower tiers. It seems to have the good physical bulk and attack concept with lacking SpD to really make it more effective.
Or metagross would be a great user.
 
ito said:
but wasnt the point of the sp bulk ttar was to garentee having rocks out? With assult vest, it wouldnt be able to do that (if I understand what the item does correctly) that would also mean that walls wont be able to recover either since they are pretty much under perma taunt. But I can see it being useful on maybe chomp or other dragons who would use that damage reduction berry so it can tank ice moves better.
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This item is catered towards Bulky Offense. The main point of it is to give your attacker the survivability it needs, though in Tyranitar's case, it just makes it ungodly bulky against anything in the special side, while still being able to receive wishes. Conkeldurr loves it due to Drain Punch. Venusaur is a meh wall, but with this thing and Giga Drain, you can make for a formidable tank.

I don't know. I just want to theorize about anything other than hyper offense for once.
 
ito said:
but wasnt the point of the sp bulk ttar was to garentee having rocks out? With assult vest, it wouldnt be able to do that (if I understand what the item does correctly) that would also mean that walls wont be able to recover either since they are pretty much under perma taunt. But I can see it being useful on maybe chomp or other dragons who would use that damage reduction berry so it can tank ice moves better.
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Assault vest is probably going to excel in sets with a clearly defined purpose. Slapping assault vest without a second thought isn't going to help you very much. Assault vest is useful in reaching certain defensive benchmarks so you can invest more in other areas to increase the overall utility of a set. For instance, if one were to invest EVS in an assault vested tyranitar, you would probably invest enough in HP and sp. def. to survive a certain amount of hits from a certain threat in order to guarantee taking said threat out of the game. Assault vest allows you to invest more in speed or attacking stats for this purpose. It would be pointless to give Tyranitar a fully defensive ev spread unless you knew for sure that it can take out what it needs to without investment. You need to do some cost benefit analysis when making decisions such as whether to choose something like assault vest.
 
This guy:

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Fuck Mega Evo's.

To me, Scizor looks to be a major benefactor. If there is one Stat Scizor has always wished it had more of, it's: Special Defense

Afterall, Scizor has always been jealous of how TTar's bulk allowed it to effectively trap their mutual prey, and finally there is a way for it to enhance that beyond just throwing all its EV's in bulk. This should vastly improve Scizor's abilities as a trapper. Now with the whole range of potential between Adamant CB full attack all the way to Careful, bulky Assault Vest, fleety foes will have a lot more trouble figuring out where Scizor's bulk-power ratio lies. Careful Choice Band (more efficient stat wise) and Adamant Assault Vest (allows freedom of attack switching) just add more complexity and problems for Scizor's targets.

Moreover, Scizor is one of the few bulky offensive Pokemon who regularly uses 4 attacks-- Bullet Punch, U-Turn, Bug Bite, Pursuit, Superpower, Quick Attack, Aerial Ace... Scizor is not without good options for an Assault Vest set. It will probably be one of the item's most common users.
 
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Chou Toshio said:
This guy:

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Fuck Mega Evo's.

To me, Scizor looks to be a major benefactor. Afterall, Scizor has always wished it had TTar's Special Bulk, and finally there is a way for it to enhance that beyond just throwing all its EV's in bulk. This should vastly improve Scizor's abilities as a trapper.

Moreover, Scizor is one of the few bulky offensive Pokemon who regularly uses 4 attacks-- Bullet Punch, U-Turn, Bug Bite, Pursuit, Superpower, Quick Attack, Aerial Ace... Scizor is not without good options for an Assault Vest set. It will probably be one of the items most common users.
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I miss Swords Dance on non Choiced sets, though. It needs that extra power. Besides, I think Scizor would prefer the bulk that comes with Roost in a defensive set.
 
^You're not getting the point. Imagine being Latios, Latias, Alakazam, or Starmie facing down an Assault Vest Scizor with Pursuit. Roost is totally useless and besides the point in the context of Scizor as a trapper.

Now, Scizor has not 2 but 3 main destructive roles:

Choice Banded Wall breaker / Sweeper

LO / Leftovers SD Sweeper (that can also user Roost)

Assault Vest Pursuit Trapper

Plus, all of these sets have overlapping roles and utility, so Scizor can EV and adjust itself to fall anywhere between these 3 main roles. This add tremendous diversity to its abilities. Plus, Assault Vest comes with the bonus of being initially very difficult to differentiate from Choice items (until you notice damage differences).
 
My bad, I totally did not get your point.

I see what you just set up. It looks cool, but I think it is too specific. Unless you desperately need to get rid of one of those mons with Scizor, I think other pursuit trappers could do a better job. It works, I mean, it does work, but I see it outclassed by better trappers, say Tyranitar, who also loves Assault Vest. The great thing would be the surprise factor. Nobody expects Scizor to be tanking Focus Blasts, it could be pretty cool.
 
Latios is a bit of an iffy consideration, but still sort of a consideration. Latios needs 180 HP EVs to not get OHKO'd by timid Mega Gengar after SR. That means Latios could make use of Assault Vest and fully invest in attack. However, I suspect that 72 SpA Latios with Life Orb does more damage than 252 Latios with Assault Vest, while taking roughly the same damage and having access to recovery.

It's gimmicky, but it does have SOME value in being able to bluff a choice item/expert belt. I'm not convinced, though.
 
Strykeypoo said:
Latios is a bit of an iffy consideration, but still sort of a consideration. Latios needs 180 HP EVs to not get OHKO'd by timid Mega Gengar after SR. That means Latios could make use of Assault Vest and fully invest in attack. However, I suspect that 72 SpA Latios with Life Orb does more damage than 252 Latios with Assault Vest, while taking roughly the same damage and having access to recovery.

It's gimmicky, but it does have SOME value in being able to bluff a choice item/expert belt. I'm not convinced, though.
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Ah, of course! I had forgotten about this, thanks for bringing it up! It bluffs a Choice item! That actually gives it a lot of versatility!
 
Jimmyftw said:
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Gyarados @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
~ Dragon Dance
~ Waterfall
~ Bounce
~ Stone Edge / Earthquake

Intimidate + Assault Vest + Dragon Dance = Bulky Setup Sweeper
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Can't Dragon Dance with Assault Vest. Attacking moves only.
 
Chou Toshio said:
This guy:

Scizor_BW.gif

Fuck Mega Evo's.

To me, Scizor looks to be a major benefactor. If there is one Stat Scizor has always wished it had more of, it's: Special Defense

Afterall, Scizor has always been jealous of how TTar's bulk allowed it to effectively trap their mutual prey, and finally there is a way for it to enhance that beyond just throwing all its EV's in bulk. This should vastly improve Scizor's abilities as a trapper. Now with the whole range of potential between Adamant CB full attack all the way to Careful, bulky Assault Vest, fleety foes will have a lot more trouble figuring out where Scizor's bulk-power ratio lies. Careful Choice Band (more efficient stat wise) and Adamant Assault Vest (allows freedom of attack switching) just add more complexity and problems for Scizor's targets.

Moreover, Scizor is one of the few bulky offensive Pokemon who regularly uses 4 attacks-- Bullet Punch, U-Turn, Bug Bite, Pursuit, Superpower, Quick Attack, Aerial Ace... Scizor is not without good options for an Assault Vest set. It will probably be one of the item's most common users.
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This actually seems pretty cool. One of Scizor's main problems has always been that it gets 2HKOed by most common Special attacks due to its average bulk, but with the Assault Vest, Max Attack is Scizor actually pretty bulky. This is espicially useful due to Scizor's specially defensive amazing typing Here are some cool calcs.
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. +1 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 232-274 (67.63 - 79.88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Hidden Power Fire vs. +1 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 270-322 (78.71 - 93.87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. +1 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 136-161 (39.65 - 46.93%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus-T Thunder vs. +1 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 220-261 (64.13 - 76.09%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. +1 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 199-235 (58.01 - 68.51%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Now these are just a few of the most powerful attackers in OU that Scizor is able to take a hit from. What worse is that also has a bunch of other possibilities, such as Mega Evolution, CB, Scarf, etc, making it really hard to deal with in OU. I think that this is a fantastic idea and thank you for sharing it.
 
With Assault Velt, I really don't see the point of running max special defense EVs on Tyranitar. That's completely overkill, considering he'll live everything he needs to live with no investment. Instead, it would be a better idea to place your EVs in speed and attack, since having the leg up against things like Skarmory, Scizor, Jellicent, and speed-creeping Aegislash can a pretty huge deal in certain match ups.

But yeah, it's definitely a useful item on a number of Pokes. I'm a little disappointed that they didn't also make a physical variant of the item, but w/e.
 
Super Mario Bro said:
With Assault Velt, I really don't see the point of running max special defense EVs on Tyranitar. That's completely overkill, considering he'll live everything he needs to live with no investment. Instead, it would be a better idea to place your EVs in speed and attack, since having the leg up against things like Skarmory, Scizor, Jellicent, and speed-creeping Aegislash can a pretty huge deal in certain match ups.

But yeah, it's definitely a useful item on a number of Pokes. I'm a little disappointed that they didn't also make a physical variant of the item, but w/e.
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It allows Tyranitar to be the ultimate Gengar stopper. I read somewhere that Focus Miss will not KO in the off chance it connects, and that's just huge if you manage to bring in Tyranitar in with no prior damage.
 
248 HP 252 SpD Careful Scizor:

252 SpA Alakazam Focus Blast vs. +1 248 HP / 252+ SpD Scizor: 75-89 (21.86 - 25.94%) -- possible 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Focus Blast vs. +1 248 HP / 252+ SpD Scizor: 97-116 (28.27 - 33.81%) -- 0.49% chance to 3HKO

252 SpA Gengar Focus Blast vs. +1 248 HP / 252+ SpD Scizor: 73-86 (21.28 - 25.07%) -- possible 4HKO
252 SpA Gengar Hidden Power Fire vs. +1 248 HP / 252+ SpD Scizor: 172-204 (50.14 - 59.47%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Focus Blast vs. +1 248 HP / 252+ SpD Scizor: 95-112 (27.69 - 32.65%) -- guaranteed 4HKO (shadow ball same damage)
252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Hidden Power Fire vs. +1 248 HP / 252+ SpD Scizor: 192-229 (55.97 - 66.76%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
^LO Gengar essentially has almost zero chance to kill Scizor with HP Fire + Focus Blast unless it has hazard support

252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Hydro Pump vs. +1 248 HP / 252+ SpD Scizor: 118-140 (34.4 - 40.81%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Hydro Pump vs. +1 248 HP / 252+ SpD Scizor in rain: 177-211 (51.6 - 61.51%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 98-116 (28.57 - 33.81%) -- 0.63% chance to 3HKO
^Psyshock out damages Draco Meteor and Surf outside of Rain-- this should tell you how freakin' bulky this thing is
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Surf vs. +1 248 HP / 252+ SpD Scizor in rain: 130-153 (37.9 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Hidden Power Fire vs. +1 248 HP / 252+ SpD Scizor: 220-260 (64.13 - 75.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
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