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Berry Juice

Discussion in 'BW LC' started by macle, Mar 3, 2012.

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  1. iss

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    After some further consideration, I think that Berry Juice should not be unbanned due to the many reasons already stated in this thread.
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    all the other metagames didn't have eviolite though...which outclasses it by far in numerous instances, as also shown in this thread.
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    I think Heysup's post pretty much summed up why Berry Juice should remain banned.
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    Well, just a suggestion here. Berry juice for alot of pokemon wont be doing much more than an oran berry since alot of pokemon have around 20-25 HP and oran kicks in halfway through as well as with gligar gone one of the main pokemon to abuse it is gone, it would also give munchlax a second wind so perhaps it would bring back some old faces. There is also the defense drop which alows the berry juice user to be able to be OHKOed or 2HKOed more often. I think it at least deserves a test this gen due to the advent and reliance of eviolite for alot of things.
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    I don't mean to be rude or condescending but I don't think you've read the thread or understood the arguments said.
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    This. Back when I was running things in generation 4, Berry Juice was the bar none worst thing in the entire metagame. There are no 2HKOs in a Berry Juice metagame, only OHKOs and 3HKOs. The result is that you use Berry Juice to set up an unstoppable setup mon that gets all the OHKOs, and win. Dual Screens just makes the problem even worse (now instead of OHKO/3HKO it's 3HKO/5HKO), and with the absolutely devastating setup Pokemon present (especially new Shell Smash users) I see no reason to even consider unbanning it.
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    During the last suspect round (when Berry Juice was a suspect), I know much of the council (including myself) played a Berry Juice metagame to see how it would go. The result is almsot identical to the complaints posited in this thread, most notably, the problem of Dual Screens.

    Bulk in LC is really a mixed bag, some Pokes are awful, others shine above the rest. I remember facing a Misdreavus with Berry Juice behind Dual Screens and it was not fun. I remember facing lead Dwebble with Berry Juice as a first mon smashing and it was not fun. I remember Berry Juice just being not fun and imbalanced in general. The issue isn't that everything uses Berry Juice (most use Eviolite still), the issue is the few things that do make absolutely insane use of Berry Juice. And it's much easier to keep Berry Juice banned than all of those set up sweepers.

    The council voted unanimously on this issue, and the posts in this thread are very polarized. Furthermore, Berry Juice is no longer a suspect for these reasons. We're going to go ahead and close this for now.
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