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Black & White Battle Subway Records (now with gen. 4 records!)

Discussion in 'Orange Islands' started by Peterko, Mar 23, 2011.

  1. bluemon

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    i am gunna try out a sun team soon.

    ninetales (defensive spread)

    roar
    substitute
    flamethrower
    hypnosis.

    scout for weather changers and focus sashers, and spread sleep to allow blaziken and venusaur to set up.

    blaziken @wide lens
    adamant 252 attack 252 speed

    swords dance
    blaze kick
    hi jump kick
    stone edge

    venusaur
    standard @black sludge
    growth
    energy ball
    hp fire
    sludge bomb


    what do you guys think?
  2. TM13IceBeam

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    Custap Berry's unreleased, and uh, Timid Machamp? You do mean Jolly right?
  3. Peterko

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    Congratulations on defending the title from the last generation. I actually updated the list yesterday evening and your record wasn´t posted at that time, so I added it now. Oh I´m sure that noone will believe that, but I woke up today having a feeling that it should be about time you beat 337 with the slower team you posted last time about (with drapion)...so yeah, not really a suprise here

    Boy now I´m #2 in both singles and doubles, yet again...just like in gen 4 lol go me!

    That doesn´t bother me that much, actually I´m a bit down because of

    ...which is exactly the set I had in mind and was about to start using next week...now I´m screwed, because, you know, creativity claim etc.

    I posted about my exp. with lead CB draggy a few days ago and figured the above is the best way to use it...the only problem was forgetting that DD was an egg move and figuring that one out when I was about to heart scale the only multiscale draggy I´ve bred so far (the CB one)...I only breed on mondays, so yeah, I would have to get it next week, because this monday I was very busy with work and only managed to breed 2 other Pokémon late evening...but whatever

    congrats again, also cool that it´s not 343 hahahahaha

    EDIT: dude, Conn, please get rid of the large picture please, your team can´t be listed as a record (custap is illegal), also you posted it as gengar-garchomp-suicune but are listing movesets of machamp (timid?), scizor and dragonite ...
  4. ashez

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    wow great streak jump, i was also suprised to see no lum berry, as CD said how do you cope with static etc when there not in the lead?

    i no this isnt really worth saying and i havent got the experience of you lol but wouldnt grumpig be worth a shout as the trick scarfer?

    with thick fat it would resist both your teams major weakness, has same team syn as your current team, although it would mean missing out on charm but for some reason i think a trick/t-wave/flash/ torment/either screen/confuse ray could be worth a shout?

    i think i remember you talking about grumpig back in dp on one your first trick teams, but not 100% sure lol

    anyway just a thought, anyway well done again :)
  5. Pikiwyn

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    Battle Subway Single Record: 124

    Whimsicott @ Focus Sash
    Prankster, Bold
    252 HP, 252 SpD
    ~Charm
    ~Stun Spore
    ~Leech Seed
    ~Memento

    T.L.’s Whimsicott, its really good for crippling the opponents first Pokémon. Charm physical attackers then Stun Spore and Charm some more. Stun Spore Special attackers followed by Memento. In later attempts I replaced Leech Seed with Flash which worked better.

    Shuckle @ Chesto Berry
    Sturdy, Calm
    252 HP, 252 Def
    ~Power Split
    ~Rollout
    ~Rest
    ~Acupressure

    Power Split for making Shuckle untouchable, making his Att more than usable and for making critical hits bearable. Once he’s been set up he usually takes out the first Pokémon in 3 hits and OHKO’s the 2nd and 3rd Pokémon. Shuckle’s actually a beast on the 5th hit of Rollout basically everything but Steelix is OHKO’d.

    Octillery @ Leftovers
    Moody, Calm
    252 HP, 168 Def, 90 SpD (something like that)
    ~Protect
    ~Substitute
    ~Dive
    ~Psychic

    With Stun Spore making him faster than the opponent he can usually set up easily, after a few Protects and always having a Substitute up he can usually defeat the entire team.


    This team is based off of T.L.’s so I was hoping to get a higher streak, it doesn’t really have any serious threats except Stun Spore missing and Psych Uppers.
    I lost to a freaking Gothitelle... I took out the first Pokémon with Shuckle and then Gothitelle outsped and Psych Up’d Shuckle, then got a CH bringing Shuckle to 1 HP and I knew it was over. After that I retrained Shuckle to be able to outspeed Gothitelle after 6 Speed boosts, but I’ve never been able to get a better streak so I’m giving up for now.
  6. DrDimentio

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    Typical Jumpman, always stealing Peterko's glory... and making me feel worse about myself. This also makes me hate my complete lack of Dream World access, meaning I can't try out awesome stuff like Multiscale...

    By the way, I don't understand that Pokecheck thing. I honestly have no idea what that's all about.

    Also, @ Conn: We're aiming for the biggest streak, not the biggest photo of it!

    Meanwhile, I'll just go back to my quirky new team which probably won't get anywhere near Jumpman's record... although it has potential. I'm trying out a certain Pokemon nobody seems to have used in any of the record streaks. Although it's less bulky than all the Psychic-type Trick users I've previously used, its typing is what makes the difference.
  7. Pikiwyn

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    @Peterko, you accidentally posted my new streak seperately from my old streak, also this has been asked before but I don't think it was answered: will a streak using the Sky Drop glitch be allowed?
  8. Chinese Dood

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    I'm going to try out something original too, probably won't have much success, haha, but at least original... when I have time (hopefully soon before someone else tries it out).

    Also @Peterko, just so you know, TRE has a Double Subway record higher than yours that he hasn't posted yet. :P I guess he'll probably post when he gets #1 or when he loses the streak.
  9. Peterko

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    @ Pikiwyn: thanks, I didn´t check whether you had already a record, it happens sometimes...fixed

    @ Chinese Dood: Hahaha, no problem with that, it was only a matter of time before TRE struck back...I´m sure he doesn´t like it that much that he is not #1 in doubles as he was in 4th gen :p

    OK things are starting to get out of control, I mean...do I have to start playing 140+ battles per day again or what? I admit that at this point I´m having sort of a subway crisis, because I´ve been playing it non-stop for almost two months now...
  10. Zacchaeus

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    Just look at Jumpman. He didn't have too much free time but he kept his streak going over weeks and beat everyone after a long period of time. But if you want to feel better about your own time usage, here you go: (And keep in mind I have very limited time spent in Doubles)

    Zach, Gym Badges: 8, Pokédex: 649, Time: 684:26
    Singles: Rank 15, 132 streak
    Doubles: Unranked
  11. Molk

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    Not as impressive as other streaks but I got a streak of 57 on my first serious battle subway run using this team

    Scrafty /W wide lens moxie
    jolly
    evs 4hp 252atck 252spe
    dragon dance
    hi jump kick
    crunch
    ice punch

    Azumarill W/choice band huge power
    adamant
    evs 232hp 252atck 12def 12spdef
    Aqua jet
    waterfall
    superpower
    ice punch

    Reuniclus W/life orb magic guard
    quiet
    evs 192hp 64def 252spatck
    trick room
    psyshock
    focus blast
    shadow ball

    there really wasn't a strategy to this team which is why i thought my streak was impressive (although azumarill in trick room saved my ass literally 10 times)

    i would like advice on how to get higher streaks, this was my first serious run through the subway so please bear with me.
  12. Zacchaeus

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    Using Trick Room for only one Poké is risky, especially if you still have Scrafty in the wings. But if you insist upon it, you should probably use Brave Azumarill with 0 Speed IVs to ensure that you outspeed as much as possible in Trick Room. Also, sure a Hi Jump Kick miss can be fatal, but I think most of the time you would benefit more by using a different item, such as Life Orb or Lum Berry
  13. bluemon

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    or drain punch + life orb. much better.
  14. Chinese Dood

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    I would recommend using a Trick Room Scrafty instead. This was one I used before.

    Scrafty @ Life Orb
    Brave / Moxie
    - Fake Out
    - Drain Punch
    - Crunch
    - Detect/Protect/Ice Punch

    I used Detect (cuz I was going to use it for VGC), but for Subway, probably Ice Punch is better.

    Fake Out will allow Reuniclus to Trick Room much more easily. Azumarill should be brave too. Might want to test out Water Gem instead of Choice Band, but if Band is working for you, then go for it.

    ... Aren't you supposed to have 4 pokemon for Double Subway???

    Good luck.

    EDIT: OOOOhhhhh, nevermind, after posting, I realize you're probably using this in SINGLE subway... In that case, nevermind anything I said.
  15. Molk

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    Thanks guys I was thinking of remaking my whole BS team, what are some effective pokemon to use in the battle subway?
  16. LockDown

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    Idk if I should post a planned team, but I would like some advice beforehand to help me out.
    Gyarados@Mystic Water (Life Orb?)-Done
    Jolly, 4Hp/252Atk/252Spe
    ~DDance
    ~Waterfall
    ~Earthquake
    ~Ice Fang
    Lead, does really well, can set up on a bunch of things with intimidate help. If this thing gets to +2, it's pretty much gg.

    Hitmontop@Muscle Band- To be caught
    Adamant, 252HP/252Atk/4Def
    ~Fake Out
    ~Mach Punch
    ~Bullet Punch
    ~Rock Slide
    Made for priority abuse, picking things off or just killing them while taking a hit. This is probably a stupid moveset, but I thought it might work. I really wish this guy learned Smack Down.

    Golurk@Leftovers?- Currently breeding
    Adamant, 252HP/252Atk/4Def
    Not so sure, was thinking of SubPunch, with Substitute to help with status, but I don't have much experience w/ the BS and don't know how well SubPunch sets work. This guy was mainly for the typing, it seemed to fit perfectly with what I needed.

    Gyarados was tested with my in-game relaxed krookodile (lol) and naughty emboar. got to a 21 streak, lost when i forgot to calculate a leafeon's leaf blade piercing my intimidate with a crit. One major flaw I can see is that it is all physical attackers, but I just couldn't find a new mix to support Gyarados. Maybe NP Vacuum Wave Luke over Hitmontop? Any advice is helpful. I don't have RNG or dream world access, so please don't propose any of that.
  17. Zacchaeus

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    For Gyarados, you have to decide between Moxie and Intimidate. Moxie will increase sweeping potential while Intimidate will help you set up to begin with, so I would suggest Intimidate for lead Gyarados. Consider also using Stone Edge over Ice Fang or Aqua Tail over Waterfall (although that option is usually not used). Hitmontop is a cool idea and all, but if you are forced to bring Hitmontop in against an enemy at good health, you won't be able to scratch it with that moveset. You would probably be better off using something with access to Extremespeed, (which now goes before any other priority attack besides Fake Out,) such as Lucario, Dragonite, or Arcanine. And if you want to use a Focus Punch Golurk, I would suggest Substitute, Focus Punch, Shadow Punch, and Earthquake with the ability Iron Fist.
  18. LockDown

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    well i posted that gyarados is already complete, and that i don't have dream world, so that rules out moxie. also with the whole priority thing, most priority users are physically based, and golurk seemed like a sure-fire counter to (choiced) electrics and normal/fighting users, specifically scarf pinsir if gyarados isn't set up. Also, its the BS, so i don't really trust stone edge/aqua tail, even though they get more coverage/power (and rock slide is pretty weak, but so is ice fang)
  19. ExaltedRequiem

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    I'm in the midst of crafting a singles team, thought I'd go ahead and post it here to see what kind of response it gets.

    Blaziken (M) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Speed Boost
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Blaze Kick
    - Hi Jump Kick
    - Stone Edge
    Fairly standard to how I normally run the Tower/Subway, ie set up lead that kills until it dies and two in the back that support each other. Focus Sash will ensure that I get the SD and a turn of Speed Boost, barring TTar/Hippo/Snow leads that OHKO me. Blaze Kick is the Fire STAB of choice for the balance of power vs no recoil. HJK, while not perfect, is infinitely superior to Superpower for a setup poke. Stone Edge is coverage.

    Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Double Hit
    - Bullet Punch
    - U-turn
    - Superpower
    Banded Scizor. Mainstay in the Tower since Platinum. Absolutely love it to death. BP/Superpower/U-Turn is fairly self explanatory, at least I hope so. Double Hit does several things. 1- Eats Substitutes for breakfast, thanks to Technician. 2-Punches Gyarados in the giant, gaping maw, which most Scizor sets can't readily do. Both things that will help against anything that took down Blaziken.

    Chandelure (F) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Overheat
    - Shadow Ball
    - Energy Ball
    - Hidden Power [Fighting]
    And the thing that covers Scizor's ass. Flash Fire for the immunity on Scizor's 4x. Also, Flash Fire+Specs+STAB Overheat off of 145 base Special Attack is stupidly powerful. Shadow Ball is the obvious secondary STAB move. HP [Fighting] combines with Shadow Ball for flawless coverage, just in case Overheat doesn't do (I'm looking at you, Heatran.) Energy Ball is rather close to filler, but might come in handy since she'll outspeed the Water/Grounds.
  20. atsync

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    Looks like this thread is pretty active at the moment!

    I've been trying something different recently (not sure about original though) and I thought it couldn't hurt to share even if it hasn't acheived an outstanding streak yet. I've only managed to get a streak of 21 wins with this team so far, which is pathetic really, but it has been fun to try out.

    Linoone @ choice scarf

    Simple Beam
    Switcheroo
    Return
    Shadow Claw

    Gorebyss @ white herb

    Shell Smash
    Surf
    Hidden Power (electric)
    Ice Beam

    Toxicroak @ focus sash

    Fake Out
    Sucker Punch
    Taunt
    Drain Punch

    Latios @ life orb

    Dragon Pulse
    Psyshock
    Thunderbolt
    Grass Knot

    The strategy is simple (pun intended). If it's safe to do so, I have Linoone use Simple Beam on Gorebyss to change its ability to Simple. Gorebyss uses Shell Smash. Because of Simple, Gorebyss acheives a ridiculously high special attack stat of over 500, and has enough speed to outrun everything. It then can happily steamroll through teams with Surf. I usually switch Linoone out for Toxicroak (if it's alive) who really helps Gorebyss out with Fake Out and Sucker Punch (and it's immune to water attacks to boot).

    If it is unsafe to try the boost (strong electric and grass attacks, fake out and other priority, etc), I usually have Linoone use Switcheroo on the most threatening opponent and switch Gorebyss out for Latios (depends on the opponent really). Latios covers both of my leads weaknesses which is nice.

    I like Simple Beam but I think I might change my team a bit. I don't think Shell Smash Gorebyss is the right choice for this team (not surprising really) as it can go wrong fairly easily (and when that happens I'm stuck with a near-useless Linoone and a mediocre Gorebyss). Does anyone have any ideas of what I could use instead?
  21. Skore

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    Someone mentioned coverage for water/fighting types earlier.

    While frail, I've had decent success using Rotom-A in-game:

    [​IMG]

    Rotom-S@ Focus Sash
    Timid - 4 HP/252 SpAt/252 Spe
    Air Slash
    Thunderbolt
    Will-O-Wisp
    Pain Split

    Unless Sandstorm or Hail is on the field I can usually get any problem pokes out of the way or dented and statused; if luck goes your way you can get a clean KO with flinch hax.

    It also provides a useful Ground immunity
  22. ExaltedRequiem

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    @atsync
    You know, I hate Subway sometimes. I just built an entire team from scratch, based on the Simple Beam strategy that you seem to like. Then I remembered Genesect was banned. I'll post the team anyway, see if it gives you any ideas.

    Genesect @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Download
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Simple Beam
    - Ice Beam
    - Thunderbolt
    - Bug Buzz

    Beheeyem (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Telepathy
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
    Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Calm Mind
    - Simple Beam
    - Thunderbolt
    - Psychic

    Chandelure (M) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Overheat
    - Shadow Ball
    - Energy Ball
    - Hidden Power [Fighting]

    Terrakion @ Choice Band
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Close Combat
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide
    - X-Scissor

    As an extra note, if you have access to a cheating device/GTSfake tech, run Beeyeehem with Analytic (his Dream World ability, just not released yet). That way, even if you can't get him Simple, he'll still hit like a tank, thanks to Quiet. Or, keep Telepathy and spam Terrakion's EQ without hitting him. Your call.
  23. Peterko

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    Please stop posting illegal teams (Custap, Genosect). Thank you in advance.

    And the answer to the "glitch" question people were asking is no, I won´t list records using the Sky Drop glitch. It wasn´t allowed in official VGC tournaments this year so I won´t list it. For those who try it anyway, good luck getting a streak with gravity and a 60 BP move...

    I´m playing OmaTop in doubles again, lost due to a misclick in battle #64 yesterday (lati/+2 low HP scizor vs carracosta/ and accidentally didn´t double target, hit the wrong target with scizor). I´m back at 84 right now. Tried Quick Guard on Top instead of AA only to be promptly reminded by the friend next door Subway AI that it´s the same priority as FO so it sucks on something as slow as Top, back to AA. Also trying a Lum Berry on Scizor.
  24. Zacchaeus

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    Yeah I'm glad Peterko cleared that up, and by the way guys, I already tried Sky Drop + Gravity in Super Doubles and it was terrible. Also, keep in mind that you can use things that are banned competitively outside of Sky Drop + Gravity such as Blaziken, Moody, and Minimize.

    Also, if your team isn't achieving adequate streaks, (at least 49,) it's probably not worth posting because it genuinely isn't a good team. I'm not trying to be mean, it's just that if people like me or Jumpman posted about all of our teams even if they weren't very successful, we would be posting a new team every page.

    And the best piece of advice we could give to people who haven't reached the leaderboard is to use one team extensively and learn the ins and outs of it thoroughly
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    Yeah sorry I'll stop posting everything I come up with (except the good ones). I was only doing it to try give other people ideas while also asking how I could improve it but I don't want to derail the thread with all the stuff I'm trying. I am going to stick with Simple Beam for now though as I think I can make it work (I'm not using Gorebyss anymore though).

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