Yeah it's hard fitting everything you want in, which was why I mentioned Salamence in the first place. With Salamence, you're looking at using Hone Claws once and then attacking, ideally OHKOing the enemy (i.e. no roost, and since it can't even ES, then that's another moveslot you didn't need to worry about trying to fit in). With Dragonite, you want to take advantage of its bulk. You want to have more than one boost. That's why you might want roost, but the fact that Dragonite is not that fast means it might not be able to get the roost in before it faints sometimes. That's just how it is. That's probably also why Dragon Dance / Sub / Roost / Dragon Claw is the most successful use of Dragonite in Subway so far. Yes, people (like myself) used it in crippling/trick-scarf teams, but from my experience, there are plenty of things it can set up on even without crippling... surprisingly, even some rock types (You DD as you take a hit with Multiscale. Then sub roost stall out all the stone edge/rockslide, and then can set up). In a way, Dragonite can just run Dragon Rush / Sub / Roost / Hone Claws, but that's really just inferior to DD. Of course, you do only have 2 move slots after HC and Dragon Rush, so you just got to make the best out of that. EDIT: hah, on that note, I did use Agility/Sub/Hone Claws/Meteor Mash Metagross before. It's awesome but can't set up too reliably. I've been in that situation where I "want to use the more inaccurate moves because I have hone claws" before. It simply shouldn't be assessed that way. It should always be "what's the best attack to use for this move slot", not "I use this because it can now take advantage of the accuracy issue". I pointed out before that Fire Punch does equally well, and sometimes even better vs the steel types in Subway. I did not say that meaning you should definitely use Fire Punch over Fire Blast. It's merely to state that Fire Blast shouldn't be used simply because of the improved accuracy. The fact, as stated, is that without SpA, Fire Blast does not OHKO much other than non-Occa Scizor, which +0 Fire Punch OHKOs too. If I were in your case and I really wanted to use Hone Claws Dragonite, I would probably actually just use Earthquake > Fire Blast. Reasons: 1) It hits ground-weak steel types harder than uninvested Fire Blast and obviously also hits harder than Fire Punch due to higher base power. It's also a non-contact move that could be potentially useful for Static and Flame Body pokemon (unfortunately Volcarona and Balloon ones aren't weak to ground but whatever). 2) I see that I have HP Fire Magnezone and a strong fighting type as teammates that can make Dragonite's time much easier vs things like Ferrothorn/Scizor. EDIT: Forgot to mention, one of the main reasons to not use Fire Blast is that you have to run a -Def/SpDef nature if you want to keep Dragonite speedy enough, which sort of goes against Multiscale -> one of its main selling points of why you'd want to use Dragonite in the first place. By the way, there aren't even any Balloon steel types (if you look at the subway pokemon text file I linked to) in subway. That's all I have to say on this matter I think. It's also just what I "think" based on what I know. I haven't actually tried any HC Dragonite, so who knows, maybe Fire Blast does end up being better for reasons unknown to me. If I'm ever trying HC Dragonite, I'll probably try out something weird like bulky Dnite with HC / Agility / Dragon Rush / Roost, hehe. Just too bad Sub can't be fit in that set. Anyway, have fun. Short (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Short (open) Short (close) The short of it is that, from what I know, the most successful Dragonites, subway or not, have nearly always been bulky, to take advantage of Multiscale. Whether it be Choice Band with max attack and split HP/Speed, or bulky with DD no roost, or bulky with DD and roost. Bulk is the reason to use Dragonite over other dragons. ... and not extremespeed, or other things (that's not to say that ES does not fit in because it certainly does well on Choice Band set -> it's just not THE reason why Dragonite is used most of the time). Whether that will continue to be true in the future... who knows, but I think it will.