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Discussion in 'Dream World' started by boodan!!!, May 12, 2012.

  1. boodan!!!

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    Nov 13, 2007
    hi ive been playing a fair bit of dw lately and cobalion is a monster


    Cobalion @ Leftovers
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Close Combat
    - Swords Dance
    - Iron Head
    - Return

    i personally have been running this to relatively decent success

    id love to know what other niches this monster has
  2. Chali


    Oct 6, 2007
    Oh it also has good synergy with celebi for a Justified boost for additional beasting >=]
  3. Tomahawk

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    Oct 2, 2010
    You should definitely run Stone Edge > Return on that set, currently you're walled by Chandelure which sucks as it has no problems trapping you. With Stone Edge you outspeed and KO it (though beware of Scarf variants).
  4. Aurora

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    Oct 1, 2011
    even then you can't reliably counter chandelure, because there's always that gaping hole of a chance that stone edge will miss
    but yeah, for that and for better coverage as a whole, i agree with tomahawk; ditch return
  5. Jimbon

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    Jan 24, 2012
    Cobalion isn't countering Chandelure, it's an okay check at best. As for Cobalion, I think it's a pretty cool underrated mon in Dream World. A decent spread of stats and good typing mean I could see it doing something at least. It also has good offensive coverage with Chandelure, fighting / ghost which is also kind of interesting. Chandelure trapping and removing its counters mainly Gliscor and Skarmory giving Cobalion an easier time setting up and denting the opponents team. It also has a really good defense stat, which can often be overlooked due to its offensive power. I'm not saying everyone should be running a more defensive Cobalion, but when it can live neutral Mach Punches and Earthquakes from Techniloom and Excadrill respectively I think it's a Pokemon that definitely should not be underestimated.
  6. HardCore


    Aug 25, 2010
    Honestly I think Cobalion has to be mixed to be effective and even then it still has low attack stats coupled with the fact that so much can check and OHKO him in DW. His move pool also prevents him from being versatile. Chandelure running around isn't helping either. I would give Air Balloon mixed Cobe a try but still it has a small move pool and low power.

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