literal set robber oml
Torterra @ Life Orb
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Synthesis
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge / Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (60 BP) vs. 160 HP / 4 Def Torterra: 102-120 (27.4 - 32.3%) -- 54.8% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Mega Steelix is unable to touch Torterra unless it runs Ice Fang. Torterra can simply Synthesis to heal back its HP lost from Heavy Slam and hit Steelix hard with Earthquake.
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Project Counter That Threat! Mk. III [Week 12: Garbodor]
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guess i play this tier now kinda so figure i may as well post a bit lol
solid check
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(M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 108 HP / 252 SpA / 148 Spe [EVs really depend on what you want to outpace. This specifically is for max speed base 55s, but for countering Mega Steelix purposes it can run more HP to increase survivability and such.]
Modest Nature
IVs: 30 HP / 30 SpA
- Hydro Pump
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Scald
Similarly to the above posted Pelipper, Mantine bones opposing MegaLix. Specs is the most hype variant atm, although standard defensive is fine, too, so I elected to post it (it's versace cased's (or w.e name he goes by now) set, not mine js) as opposed to the norm. Basically, it can take about 1/4 from heavy slam most of the time and 0 from eq while destroying it (or at least forcing it out) with the threat of specs modest STAB water attacks, which is cool. rocks being up and taking damage from slam each time limits it a bit in terms of health, so i'd say it's only a solid check due to that, but it's basically a counter in the short-term vs mega steelix.
some calcs:
4 Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (80 BP) vs. 108 HP / 0 Def Mantine: 70-83 (23.4 - 27.8%) -- 82.7% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (80 BP) vs. 108 HP / 0 Def Mantine: 93-111 (31.2 - 37.2%) -- 81.5% chance to 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mantine Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Steelix: 320-378 (90.3 - 106.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mantine Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Steelix: 446-528 (125.9 - 149.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ps stone edge is quite uncommon and nobody runs tfang lol
solid check
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 108 HP / 252 SpA / 148 Spe [EVs really depend on what you want to outpace. This specifically is for max speed base 55s, but for countering Mega Steelix purposes it can run more HP to increase survivability and such.]
Modest Nature
IVs: 30 HP / 30 SpA
- Hydro Pump
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Scald
Similarly to the above posted Pelipper, Mantine bones opposing MegaLix. Specs is the most hype variant atm, although standard defensive is fine, too, so I elected to post it (it's versace cased's (or w.e name he goes by now) set, not mine js) as opposed to the norm. Basically, it can take about 1/4 from heavy slam most of the time and 0 from eq while destroying it (or at least forcing it out) with the threat of specs modest STAB water attacks, which is cool. rocks being up and taking damage from slam each time limits it a bit in terms of health, so i'd say it's only a solid check due to that, but it's basically a counter in the short-term vs mega steelix.
some calcs:
4 Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (80 BP) vs. 108 HP / 0 Def Mantine: 70-83 (23.4 - 27.8%) -- 82.7% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (80 BP) vs. 108 HP / 0 Def Mantine: 93-111 (31.2 - 37.2%) -- 81.5% chance to 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mantine Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Steelix: 320-378 (90.3 - 106.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mantine Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Steelix: 446-528 (125.9 - 149.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ps stone edge is quite uncommon and nobody runs tfang lol
Bouffalant @ Leftovers
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Substitute
Sap Sipper means Bouff counters Lilligant as it avoids Sleep Powder and Giga Drain while it takes like 20-something% from HP. Meanwhile it just smacks Lilligant.
252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 156 HP / 0 SpD Bouffalant: 81-95 (21.8 - 25.6%) -- 1% chance to 4HKO
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Substitute
Sap Sipper means Bouff counters Lilligant as it avoids Sleep Powder and Giga Drain while it takes like 20-something% from HP. Meanwhile it just smacks Lilligant.
252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 156 HP / 0 SpD Bouffalant: 81-95 (21.8 - 25.6%) -- 1% chance to 4HKO
Magmortar @ Life Orb
Ability: Vital Spirit
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Psychic
Magmortar is immune to Sleep Powder thanks to Vital Spirit and resists Lilligant's STAB moves, while only fearing the occasional Hidden Power Rock.
252+ SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Magmortar: 44-52 (15.1 - 17.8%) -- possible 6HKO
Not calcing Fire Blast because lol
Also I didn't put EQ on the set because it was mainly for Dragalge and Lanturn / Flareon are fairly uncommon nowadays, and AV Hariayama is 2HKOed by Modest Psychic which is pretty damn sweet.
Ability: Vital Spirit
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Psychic
Magmortar is immune to Sleep Powder thanks to Vital Spirit and resists Lilligant's STAB moves, while only fearing the occasional Hidden Power Rock.
252+ SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Magmortar: 44-52 (15.1 - 17.8%) -- possible 6HKO
Not calcing Fire Blast because lol
Also I didn't put EQ on the set because it was mainly for Dragalge and Lanturn / Flareon are fairly uncommon nowadays, and AV Hariayama is 2HKOed by Modest Psychic which is pretty damn sweet.
Munchlax @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Body Slam
- Whirlwind
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
Not really your #standard lilligant counter, but nonetheless effective. At worst lilligant can sleep it, in which case it has sleep talk for, while it can threaten Lilligant with a easy phaze out to stop its sweeping, or deal significant damage while potentially crippling it with paralysis.
252+ SpA Life Orb Lilligant Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 83-99 (17.5 - 20.8%) -- possible 5HKO
0 Atk Munchlax Body Slam vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Lilligant: 102-121 (36.1 - 42.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Plus lets be real its the cutest counter yn
Hard Check, (slightly unreliable) Counter
Flareon @ Choice Band
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Superpower
- Quick Attack
- Sleep Talk / Baton Pass
It takes very little from anything Lilligant throws at it (only fearing the really bad HP Rock), and can even use Sleep Talk in its last slot to care less about Sleep Powder. Really, the only way you lose to it is if you stay sleep for 3 turns+always Sleep Talk into Quick Attack (and even that 3HKOes lol). I don't think I need to tell you how much Lilli takes from Flare Blitz :p
252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Flareon: 66-78 (24.3 - 28.7%) -- 98% chance to 4HKO
Flame Plate with Will-O-Wisp is bae though
edit: cuter counter
Flareon @ Choice Band
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Superpower
- Quick Attack
- Sleep Talk / Baton Pass
It takes very little from anything Lilligant throws at it (only fearing the really bad HP Rock), and can even use Sleep Talk in its last slot to care less about Sleep Powder. Really, the only way you lose to it is if you stay sleep for 3 turns+always Sleep Talk into Quick Attack (and even that 3HKOes lol). I don't think I need to tell you how much Lilli takes from Flare Blitz :p
252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Flareon: 66-78 (24.3 - 28.7%) -- 98% chance to 4HKO
Flame Plate with Will-O-Wisp is bae though
edit: cuter counter
Xatu @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / ?? Def / ?? Spe
Bold / Timid Nature
- Psyshock
- Roost
- Calm Mind / Thunder Wave
- Heat Wave / U-turn
Most variants of Xatu can hold off Lilligant very well for the most part, be it a bulky Calm Mind variant or a defensive supportive one, due to its Grass resistance and Sleep Powder immunity. You want Psyshock on Xatu so that your damage isn't hindered by Quiver Dance boosts, and Roost to keep Xatu healthy enough to keep Lilli at bay throughout the match. Xatu has two main ways of fending off Lilligant: Calm Mind which neutralizes Quiver Dance boosts while powering up Xatu's Psyshock, or Thunder Wave which ruins Lilligant. Be warned that while Thunder Wave cripples Lilligant by slowing it down, it also exposes Xatu to neutral (and probably boosted) Giga Drains if it goes for Roost, though neutralizing Lilligant as a threat for the rest of the match can be a worthy tradeoff in its own right. The EV spread and nature is customisable.
+1 252 SpA Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Xatu: 117-138 (35 - 41.3%) -- 75.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Xatu Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lilligant: 105-124 (37.3 - 44.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 0 SpA Xatu Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lilligant: 157-186 (55.8 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Couple of points to note on countering Lilligant:
1.) When teambuilding, two checks for Lilligant beat one surefire counter unless the counter absorbs sleep. This way, when battling you can have either of your Lilligant checks absorb the Sleep Powder and the other awake to stop Lilligant from boosting too much and sweeping your team. It also beats having something just to fodder for sleep because Lilligant can boost or sleep when it comes in and you want to have your checks take care of either situation.
2.) Take advantage of Lilligant's weaker physical defense because Quiver Dance only boosts Special Defense and not regular Defense.
That being said, here is an option that completely ignores either piece of "advice" above but still does a pretty good job of beating Lilligant on its own:
GIFSoup
Roselia (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef
Modest Nature
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Toxic Spikes
- Synthesis
252+ SpA Roselia Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lilligant: 342-404 (121.7 - 143.7%)
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power (Ice) vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Roselia: 185-218 (76.7 - 90.4%)
The set is the set I found digging through the 1760 NU stats, with Toxic Spikes over Spikes, as Lilligant really hates Toxic Spikes without a Lum Berry. Lilligant cannot sleep Roselia with Sleep Powder and Roselia can revenge with Sludge Bomb. Specially Defensive Vileplume could also work in a similar fashion.
1.) When teambuilding, two checks for Lilligant beat one surefire counter unless the counter absorbs sleep. This way, when battling you can have either of your Lilligant checks absorb the Sleep Powder and the other awake to stop Lilligant from boosting too much and sweeping your team. It also beats having something just to fodder for sleep because Lilligant can boost or sleep when it comes in and you want to have your checks take care of either situation.
2.) Take advantage of Lilligant's weaker physical defense because Quiver Dance only boosts Special Defense and not regular Defense.
That being said, here is an option that completely ignores either piece of "advice" above but still does a pretty good job of beating Lilligant on its own:
GIFSoupRoselia (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef
Modest Nature
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Toxic Spikes
- Synthesis
252+ SpA Roselia Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lilligant: 342-404 (121.7 - 143.7%)
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power (Ice) vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Roselia: 185-218 (76.7 - 90.4%)
The set is the set I found digging through the 1760 NU stats, with Toxic Spikes over Spikes, as Lilligant really hates Toxic Spikes without a Lum Berry. Lilligant cannot sleep Roselia with Sleep Powder and Roselia can revenge with Sludge Bomb. Specially Defensive Vileplume could also work in a similar fashion.
May I ask why the 252 SpDef instead of 252 HP? You get very negligible boost in special bulk because Roselia's SpD is so much higher than her base 50 HP.
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Roselia: 182-216 (59.8 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Roselia: 140-166 (58 - 68.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
You notice that going 252 SpD over 252 HP actually doesn't make you significantly bulkier specially. this 1-2% is basically useless and if you're gonna care about that 1% you probably are better off trying to minimize burn damage or something like that instead. Those situations come in much more often. Note that it's a 2% out of 70% max roll. On most attacks Roselia want to tank, it is basically unnoticeable.
On the other hand,
252+ Atk Choice Band Sawk Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Roselia: 195-231 (80.9 - 95.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Sawk Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Roselia: 195-231 (64.1 - 75.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
you are significantly compromising physical bulk. I know physical bulk on roselia is not always relevant, but you might be forced to survive 1 strong physical stab to win the game.
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Roselia: 182-216 (59.8 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Roselia: 140-166 (58 - 68.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
You notice that going 252 SpD over 252 HP actually doesn't make you significantly bulkier specially. this 1-2% is basically useless and if you're gonna care about that 1% you probably are better off trying to minimize burn damage or something like that instead. Those situations come in much more often. Note that it's a 2% out of 70% max roll. On most attacks Roselia want to tank, it is basically unnoticeable.
On the other hand,
252+ Atk Choice Band Sawk Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Roselia: 195-231 (80.9 - 95.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Sawk Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Roselia: 195-231 (64.1 - 75.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
you are significantly compromising physical bulk. I know physical bulk on roselia is not always relevant, but you might be forced to survive 1 strong physical stab to win the game.
I took a (probably too quick) look at the 1760 usage stats and used the most popular EV spread from there.
| Spreads | | Modest:0/0/4/252/252/0 28.429% | | Calm:252/0/0/4/252/0 24.756% | | Bold:248/0/196/0/56/8 11.794% | | Calm:252/0/4/0/252/0 5.165% | | Calm:248/0/0/8/252/0 4.320% | | Modest:0/0/128/252/128/0 3.811% | | Other 21.725% |
You're generally better off looking at the dex spread, as the spreads in usage aren't always the most optimal out there.
Swalot as a Counter
Swalot @ Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Atk / 176 SpD
Careful Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Earthquake
just a simple resttalk swalot set. it can sleep talk on sleep powders, switch in to giga drains (more so with liquid ooze!), eat up Hidden Powers, and heal away the damage with Rest. 80 EVs in attack is to always kill with Gunk Shot, and Earthquake is to hit those shittalking steel types among other coverage.
Swalot @ Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Atk / 176 SpD
Careful Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Earthquake
just a simple resttalk swalot set. it can sleep talk on sleep powders, switch in to giga drains (more so with liquid ooze!), eat up Hidden Powers, and heal away the damage with Rest. 80 EVs in attack is to always kill with Gunk Shot, and Earthquake is to hit those shittalking steel types among other coverage.
252+ SpA Life Orb Lilligant Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 176+ SpD Swalot: 68-81 (16.8 - 20%) -- possible 5HKO
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 176+ SpD Swalot: 110-130 (27.2 - 32.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
80 Atk Swalot Gunk Shot vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Lilligant: 282-332 (100 - 117.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 176+ SpD Swalot: 110-130 (27.2 - 32.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
80 Atk Swalot Gunk Shot vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Lilligant: 282-332 (100 - 117.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
CanadianWifier
Run Away With Me
+1 252 SpA Lilligant Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 40 SpD Sawsbuck: 222-262 (73.7 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Life Orb Sawsbuck Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Lilligant: 269-317 (95.7 - 112.8%)
40 Spdef allows you to always live after rocks. You may die to LO recoil but it beats Lilligant 1 on 1 even if you get predicted and they quiver on the switch.
Sawsbuck @ Life Orb
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 Atk / 40 SpD / 216 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Double-Edge
- Horn Leech
- Jump Kick
252 Atk Life Orb Sawsbuck Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Lilligant: 269-317 (95.7 - 112.8%)
40 Spdef allows you to always live after rocks. You may die to LO recoil but it beats Lilligant 1 on 1 even if you get predicted and they quiver on the switch.
Sawsbuck @ Life Orb
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 Atk / 40 SpD / 216 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Double-Edge
- Horn Leech
- Jump Kick
CanadianWifier
Run Away With Me
Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Recover
- Toxic
Even just the bog standard set will do nicely here, no need to break out Curse. This thing literally doesn't give 2 shits about Mawile, sadly. The hyped SD set can't beat it thanks to Unaware, and it doesn't get any grass move besides HP Grass. In return Quaggy can just fish for a Scald burn, or do 90 - 107% with Earthquake. RIP Mawile, it's really too bad your hard counter had to drop along side of you.
edit: xzern, any reason you didnt pick Viriz? :P
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Metang @ Eviolite
Ability: Clear Body
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Stealth Rock
- Bullet Punch / Zen Headbutt
- Earthquake
This shiny metal pokemon has clear body which doenst care about his intimidate set, also has godly defensive stat thanks to eviolite.If Mawile had knock off LUCKYLY HE DOESNT he could destroy eviolite users. He resist fairy Stab and is neutral to Sucker punch, lets you set your rocks and can hit Mawile super effectively with EQ.
Metang @ Eviolite
Ability: Clear Body
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Stealth Rock
- Bullet Punch / Zen Headbutt
- Earthquake
This shiny metal pokemon has clear body which doenst care about his intimidate set, also has godly defensive stat thanks to eviolite.If Mawile had knock off LUCKYLY HE DOESNT he could destroy eviolite users. He resist fairy Stab and is neutral to Sucker punch, lets you set your rocks and can hit Mawile super effectively with EQ.
Camerupt @ Cameruptite
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 248 HP / 176 Def / 84 Spe
Bold Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Flamethrower
- Earth Power
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Mawile Play Rough vs. 248 HP / 176+ Def Mega Camerupt: 156-185 (45.4 - 53.9%) -- 46.1% chance to 2HKO
This is Mawile's strongest move against Mega Camerupt and Mega Camerupt can just threaten Mawile with a STAB move while Resting when needed.
Mawile is surprisingly strong :o
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 248 HP / 176 Def / 84 Spe
Bold Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Flamethrower
- Earth Power
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Mawile Play Rough vs. 248 HP / 176+ Def Mega Camerupt: 156-185 (45.4 - 53.9%) -- 46.1% chance to 2HKO
This is Mawile's strongest move against Mega Camerupt and Mega Camerupt can just threaten Mawile with a STAB move while Resting when needed.
Mawile is surprisingly strong :o
Also, Metang isn't neutral to Sucker Punch. It's hit super effectively by it.
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Mawile Fire Fang vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Metang: 265-315 (82 - 97.5%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
Mawile gets Grass Knot, and can totally 2HKO Quagsire even with 0 SpA investment.*stares blankly* hi there Mawile.
it doesn't get any grass move besides HP Grass.
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Mawile Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 165-195 (41.8 - 49.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Life Orb Mawile Grass Knot (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Quagsire: 265-312 (67.2 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
nice and ded counter, who says Mawile needs SD to wreck stuff
Mawile does not get Fire Punch, but does get Fire Fang.
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Mawile Fire Fang vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Metang: 265-315 (82 - 97.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Time for my own counter:
Qwilfish @ Black Sludge
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish / Bold Nature
- Haze / Taunt
- Waterfall / Scald
- Spikes
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Haze Qwilfish stops both SD Mawile and Baton Pass Mawile cold, and Waterfall cleanly 3HKOes the Sheer Force variants that have speed investment (meaning less HP investment). Taunt can also work on them, tho it is less effective than Haze against SD Mawile but does give Qwilfish a better edge against support Mawile. While support Mawile with Super Fang / Seismic Toss can actually beat Qwilfish, fixed damage attacks generally aren't very threatening for other mons to switch into, plus Mawile is easy Spikes fodder as is. If you can afford Scald on Qwilfish, it handles Mawile even better.
Mawile also gets Thunder Fang, which you could use to hit Pelipper way harder than anything else. So if you switch Qwilfish in on a SD, you can actually lose :/
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Mawile Thunder Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Qwilfish: 174-205 (52 - 61.3%) -- 95.3% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery (This is after Qwilfish hazed away the +1 boost left after Intimidate)
For myself I give you:
Weezing @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Fire Blast
- Taunt
- Sludge Bomb
- Pain Split
Can take anything +2 Mawile deals and have a good chance to OHKO with Fire Blast vs faster variants and outspeed those that invest in bulk. Taunt stop SD passing if it subs on the switch.
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Mawile Thunder Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Qwilfish: 174-205 (52 - 61.3%) -- 95.3% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery (This is after Qwilfish hazed away the +1 boost left after Intimidate)
For myself I give you:
Weezing @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Fire Blast
- Taunt
- Sludge Bomb
- Pain Split
Can take anything +2 Mawile deals and have a good chance to OHKO with Fire Blast vs faster variants and outspeed those that invest in bulk. Taunt stop SD passing if it subs on the switch.
It actually got Thunder Punch not just Fang as well which makes Qwilfish less of a counter more a check :s
Mawile is trickier to counter than I first thought :s
Mawile is trickier to counter than I first thought :s
Can we not make this 'Counter every move this Pokemon has!'
I doubt Thunder Punch has any room onto a Mawile set, SD needs all 4 moves, 4 attacks let you carry a coverage move, but preferably something like Grass Knot or Knock Off. Defensive only carries Play Rough or Seismic Toss I believe. You are not going to counter every single move a Pokemon learns, you only need to counter the viable ones, and Thunder Punch can't really be fit into any of Mawile's movesets.
I doubt Thunder Punch has any room onto a Mawile set, SD needs all 4 moves, 4 attacks let you carry a coverage move, but preferably something like Grass Knot or Knock Off. Defensive only carries Play Rough or Seismic Toss I believe. You are not going to counter every single move a Pokemon learns, you only need to counter the viable ones, and Thunder Punch can't really be fit into any of Mawile's movesets.
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