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First viable (fourth try) CAP team [RMT]

Discussion in 'Create-A-Pokémon Project' started by zarator, Nov 11, 2008.

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  1. zarator

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    Mar 12, 2008
    Im gonna retire this after seeing that it works - I'm not interested in laddering with any sort of team so whatever. Just wanted to know what do you think about this.

    Team at a Glance

    Syclant @ Focus Sash
    Timid - Compoundeyes
    4 Atk/252 Sp Atk/252 Spd
    - Blizzard
    - Focus Blast
    - Taunt
    - Ice Shard

    This Syclant made an awesome lead against many different threats. Thanks to the unexpected combination of Taunt + Ice Shard, two often neglected moves on the icicle monster, Syclant will surprise and destroy many common leads such as Aerodactyl, Azelf, Fidgit, and even the odd Lucario or Scizor (and, in Fidgit's case, generally preventing its setup). It will struggle against Tyranitar, though, since even Focus Blast cant OHKO the Careful variants and is OHKOed in return thanks to Stone Edge and Explosion. Sometimes, however, Blissey pops out early in the game, and this is a nice opportunity to scout her moveset thanks to Taunt. Of course, there always is the possibility of being toasted up by Flamethrower, but even this reveals at least something of my opponent's movepool. And, as you will see later, knowing which set runs blissey is crucial to my strategy.

    Revenankh @ Leftovers
    Careful - Shed Skin
    252 HP/120 Def/136 Sp def
    - Rest
    - Hammer Arm
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Bulk Up

    Standard Revenankh. This is my default switch into Blissey, since it can soak up both status moves and attacks. The only things which really worry Revenankh are mainly Skarmory and Hyppowdon, because they will simply roar him away without taking too much damage from a +1 Hammer Arm. Shaymin-S of course forces him out too, but the flying pixie meets swiftily a Zapdos switch in, so it is not much of an issue.

    Pyroak @ Leftovers
    Bold - Battle Armor
    252 HP/16 Def/240 Sp def
    - Leech Seed
    - Flamethrower
    - Toxic
    - Synthesis

    Maybe the only filler on my team. I only needed something which could take an hit here and there and so I chose Pyroak. Probably there are better replacements, so I'm open to suggestions.

    Stratagem @ Leftovers
    Timid - Technician
    4 HP/ 252 Sp atk/252 Spd
    IVs: 28/30/30/31/28/30 (Sp def last)
    - Calm Mind
    - Ancientpower
    - Giga Drain
    - HP Flying [59]

    "The best special sweeper in the game, with the possible exception of Jirachi. Raikou is one of the Pokémon that forces people to use standards"
    These words seem to echo soundly through the crystalline limbs of Stratagem. As many people already said, Stratagem is arguably what Raikou used to be in Advance, that kind of Special Monster that almost force you to use Blissey. Most people, however, stll thing Stratagem actually is Raikou and think they can beat him the old way, ie. Seismic Tossing away. What Raikou didnt have, and what actually makes Stratagem the only, pure special sweeper this side of Lucario which is able to come all over the fat pink blob. This special mentin is mainly due to Giga Drain. After 2 CMs or 3, the health received through leeching will eventually exceed the damage dealt by Seismic Toss, and so Stratagem will slowly regain health. In the meantime, Blissey will Softboil, unaware that what may seem a necessity is actually a fatal error. Every turn Blissey spend healing, in fact, is a free turn for Stratagem to Calm Mind. And when 6 CMs are under its belt, nothing apart from bullet punch, mach punch, aqua jet and physical scarfers can really stop something with 394 Speed and 1344 Sp atk. The only threat to this strategy is Toxic, a move which some Blissey happen to carry, maybe reminiscing their Uber experiences. Stratagem cant really afford to be Toxiced, but by the time you face Blissey with Stratagem you whould already realized which set the pink wall is running

    Zapdos @ Leftovers
    Bold - Pressure
    252 HP/220 Def/36 Spd
    IVs 30/28/31/31/30/31/ (Sp def last)
    - Roost
    - Thunderbolt
    - Heat Wave
    - HP Grass [68]

    There are pokemon who took a hit with every generation, like poor Exxegcutor. There are pokemon who where firstly BL, knew the injury of UU and then came back rampant into OU metagame, like Gyarados. There are pokemon who knew a first upgrade but then a dramatic fall in grace like Snorlax. And there are pokemon who never fall from the highlights of OU. Certainly Zapdos is one of these. Paraphrasing the opinion of Farfetch'd posted on D/P analysis, it seems like some member of the Game Freak always had a soft spot for the thundering bird, and tried to sneak in a little gift or 2 for it in every gen shift. G/S/C brought him the Resttalk combo. R/S/E made a top tier Baton Passer out of him. D/P gifted the legendary bird with the godsend that Roost has been, and even the Platinum update packed a nice Heat Wave to deal with Steels and friends.
    As you may have realized from this long introduction, Zapdos is very crucial for my team. It counters so many threats one would not be able to list them all here - Choice Tyranitar and Heatran just to name a few. Pressure and Roost work perfectly together to drain opponent PPs, and Revenankh help him getting the upper hand against Blissey. In a word, Zapdos is a monster.

    Blissey @ Leftovers
    Bold - Natural Cure
    84 HP/252 Def/172 Sp atk
    - Ice Beam
    - Seismic Toss
    - Softboiled
    - Thunderwave

    Onestly, I have never been a fan of Blissey, a thing you can catch from how much I focus my attention on destroying her^^ But with all these Stratagems around, Blissey is the only reliable answer, as long as I dont know which set the rockmon is running. BTW, is also a good answer to many other special threats such as Shaymin-S, so it is not overly specialized. And, talking about Shaymin-S, the Sp atk EVs given grant a OHKO with Ice beam, unless it runs defensive EVs.

    So, here is the team, probably I need some other way to deal with Blissey, since once I lose Revenankh I no longer have safe switch ins. Im obviously open to suggestions, so, rate up

    P.S.: Just pointing out - you will have realized it now - that no other pokemon since the very starting days of R/B/Y ever took the place in my heart which will always belong to the thunder lord Zapdos^^​
  2. cyberzero

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    May 27, 2008
    That's a pretty good team you have there, I can't find any glaring holes in it. A suggestion would be to use a spinner because it looks like your team has entry hazard problems. Outside of Revenakh and Blissey, status is a problem and no one can take Toxic Spikes besides those two, as well as Zapdos. You have three Pokemon that are weak to Stealth Rock. Zapdos, Pyroak and Syclant take 25%, 25%, and 50% each time switching, respectively.
    A minor detail is the HP Flying that you use on Stratagem. Instead of using the IVs that you posted, I recommend using 30/30/30/31/30/30 (Sp. Def last) because it is still Hidden Power Flying [59] while allowing you more Special Attack, 2 IVs to be exact. Although this is nothing critical, it might still make a difference in the long run.
  3. tennisace

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    Dec 16, 2007
    I recommend replacing Pyroak with a Spinner Fidgit. As Cyberzero said, Stealth Rock really tears through your team. Fidgit is bulky too, and can Wish. That also helps your team, since you're not running Wish Bliss. Also, use 14 Attack IVs on zapdos, and 31 HP IVs for HP Grass with Bold.
  4. zarator

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    Mar 12, 2008
    Well, it is true that I have a marked Stealth Rock weakness, but on practice it is noot much of an issue. Syclant is meant to die and not to switch out - even if I face a Tyranitar I prefer to dent him badly and have a free switch in to Stratagem - and Zapdos and Pyroak can heal off the damage. Toxic Spikes is a problem, though, because I cant allow Stratagem to be Toxiced. Fidgit, however, as always disappointed me so far, both because it is not a so good lead (most standard leads can either Taunt or OHKO him ) and because I dont really need Wish support on this team (all my mates bar the lead can heal off by themselves). A status absorber would be nice, though.
    The main problem with Fidgit is that many pokemon like Tyranitar can switch on him unscathed, and, unlike Alakazam, Fidgit is not going to surprise anyone with Encore, so you cant really hope something like Skarmory or Hyppowdon will stay in. Do you know something which can stop cold the 2 without giving any safe switch in? I really have problems dealing with those 2...
  5. jagged_angel


    Aug 29, 2007
    I'm confused as to how your Stratagem beats Blissey. Maybe this is because I've not tested it much or maybe I'm being dense but surely most Blisseys either have Toxic which you've acknowledged is a problem or Thunder Wave which also screws Gem over. They might even have Sing (ha) which is not nice either.
    Obviously Substitute would help but then you lose type coverage.

    If you don't mind losing the bulk but gaining some nice resists, try SD Lucario instead of Pyroak. You've got a 4x Stealth Rock resist to offset your 3 weak pokes, a Bullet Puncher which helps against Gem and you said you wanted another way to deal with Bliss. With BP and Extremespeed Luke can stomach getting Thunder Waved if Rev is already dead(er) and obviously it sees Toxic as a free switch in.
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