UU Froslass

[Cynde]

QC: Bouffalant / dodmen / IronBullet93
GP: P Squared / Winry
Overview
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Froslass is a fantastic Spiker for offensive teams, as it can block Rapid Spin and its high base 110 Speed allows it to set up at least 1 layer of Spikes in most situations. It also gets access to a plethora of support moves, such as Thunder Wave and Taunt. For these reasons, it is also a great lead. However, Froslass is an extremely frail Pokemon, as it has poor defensive stats and cannot take any decently strong attack if its Focus Sash is broken.


Spikes Lead
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name: Spikes Lead
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Destiny Bond
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Icy Wind / Thunder Wave
ability: Cursed Body
item: Focus Sash
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
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Spikes is pretty much the only reason why you would want to use Froslass. Destiny Bond allows Froslass to take down other Pokemon, especially Rapid Spin users, along with it after Focus Sash is used up. Taunt allows it to prevent slower leads from setting up their entry hazards and blocks slower Taunts. The last moveslot is a toss up between Thunder Wave and Icy Wind. Icy Wind works on a similar principle as Thunder Wave and prevents Froslass from becoming Taunt bait. Thunder Wave allows Froslass to shut down fast Pokemon as they try to set up and works well with Taunt and Destiny Bond.

Set Details
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The preferred item for Froslass is Focus Sash, which allows it to set up at least one layer of Spikes. Timid is used so that it can maximize its Speed for using Taunt and Destiny Bond. Cursed Body allows Froslass to set up an additional layer of Spikes against Choice-locked Pokemon 30% of the time. The 252 HP EVs are used to maximize Froslass' bulk, although if Icy Wind, Ice Beam, or Shadow Ball is used over Thunder Wave, the EVs may be moved into Special Attack.

Usage Tips
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Froslass sets up Spikes then KOes a foe with Destiny Bond or prevents Defog with Taunt and blocks Rapid Spin with its Ghost typing. Froslass should be sent out at the beginning of the match or at least close to the beginning to make the most out of Spikes. The main goal of this set is to set up as many layers of Spikes as possible, so avoid using any other moves unless absolutely required. Froslass is decently useful mid game, as it is able to revenge kill Dragons, and with its great Speed and adequate Special Attack it could pose a threat to offensive teams.

Team Options
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Pokemon that can stop Rapid Spin and Defog users after Froslass is gone are appreciated, so Pokemon such as Chandelure and Spiritomb make for nice partners because of this. Fast Taunters such as Mega Aerodactyl and Crobat are also appreciated. Anything that takes advantage of the Spikes that Froslass sets also appreciates its support, such as Sharpedo or Lucario. Stealth Rock users such as Aerodactyl or Swampert also make for good partners.

Other Options
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Shadow Ball and Ice Beam are alternatives for strong STAB moves over Icy Wind, although they provide less utility than Icy Wind. Pain Split can be used to give Froslass some longevity so that Froslass can gain a bit of health back. Froslass can use Pain Split on switch-ins, which gives it a tiny bit of longevity. A more offensive Spiker moveset with Spikes / Ice Shard / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball or Thunderbolt can be used for Froslass as well, allowing it to threaten more Pokemon with its increased coverage. Mental Herb is another item option for Froslass that allows it to not get affected by Taunt from Suicide Lead Aerodactyl and Azelf, and Taunt them back which prevents them from Taunting Froslass and it prevents them from setting their entry hazards up, allowing Froslass to set up Spikes relatively freely.

Checks and Counters
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**Faster Taunt Users**: If Froslass has Thunder Wave, then a faster Taunt from Pokemon such as Azelf and Aerodactyl completely shuts it down.

**Magic Bounce**: Magic Bouncers such as Mega Absol can also beat Froslass if it doesn't run an attacking move.

**Multi-Hit Moves**: Pokemon such as Cloyster, Cinccino, and Rhyperior can easily KO Froslass with their multi-hit moves, as these attacks break its Focus Sash and KO it in one turn.

 

[Bouff]

Hey, FatPinkUU, before I can check this, not all of your sections are in the correct format, so I'm gonna have to ask you to use the correct format (which can be found here, or you can check some of our other analyses that haven't been written up yet). After you do that, just VM / PM me saying you updated the thread and I'll edit my post with the changes you should make. :)

e: well first off, you have an alternative spread for special attack investment > hp in oo, even though you already have mentioned it in set details, so i would remove that.

secondly, is ice beam really needed? the other moves slashed with it offer more utility, which imo outweighs the reliability of the more powerful STAB attacks, so I would put that in oo as well, along with shadow ball in the same sentence.

i'd reword Taunt in C&C to Fast Taunt, as Taunt from slower Pokemon, say, lead Nape, obv won't stop Lass from setting up spikes if it Taunts Nape first.

i'd also reword skill link to multi-hit users, as stuff like rock blast rhyperior breaks lass's sash and only lets it get one spike up but obv doesn't have skill link o.o

mention pain split in oo

i also am kind of considering a bulky set w/ snow cloak to be added in oo, but idk about it so ill let the rest of qc decide. 1/3

 

[TheTraininator]

Since Ice Beam is the primary slash here, I would think that it would be best if the listed EV Spread included Max Special Attack instead of Max HP to better threaten the Pokemon that Froslass is trying to hit with it, since survivability has never been Froslass' strong suit.

EDIT: Oh, and Cursed Body should be listed as the ability of choice, since we ban Snow Cloak and its obviously the superior ability in most circumstances anyway.

 

[Cynde]

changes implemented and ready for second check

 

[Cynde]

bump

 

[Ununhexium]

Maybe you could mention Stealth Rock users in team options. For example, Swampert sees use on some Spikes teams because it has Stealth Rock and carries a valuable Fire resist, though it may have fallen out of style since we lost Sableye

EDIT: Maybe stuff like Mega Aerodactyl, Nidoking, and Nidoqueen too

 

[dodmen]

2/3

 

[IronBullet]

I reckon a more offensive Spiker set with Ice Shard, Ice Beam and Shadow Ball or Thunderbolt in the last slot would be worth a mention in OO. Decent mid-game use in being able to revenge-kill Dragons, and with its great speed, acceptable special attack and potentially LO it could certainly pose a threat to offensive teams. Include that, otherwise looks good so QC 3/3

 

[P Squared]

GP 1/2 :)
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Overview
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Froslass is a fantastic Spiker for offensive teams. It's the only Spikes stacker that can block Rapid Spins as well. Its high base 110 Speed allows it to set at least 1 layer of Spikes in most situations. Not only does it have a high Speed stat but it It also gets access to a plethora of support moves, (comma) such as Thunder Wave and Taunt. For these reasons, (comma) it is a great lead. However, (or "unfortunately" or something) Froslass is an extremely frail Pokemon, (comma) as it has poor defensive stats and cannot take any decently strong attack if its Focus Sash is broken.

Spikes Lead
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name: Lead Froslass (the names have to be the same; either make them both "Spikes Lead" or "Lead Froslass")
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Destiny Bond
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Icy Wind / Thunder Wave
ability: Cursed Body
item: Focus Sash
evs: 252 HP/ 252 Spe/ 4 SpD
nature: Timid

Moves
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Spikes is the most important part of this set, and is pretty much the only reason why you would want to use Froslass. The second moveslot is Destiny Bond which allows Froslass to take down other Pokemon, especially Rapid Spin users, along with her it (you used "it" consistently in the Overview, so I'm making them all "it". if you like, you can use "she/her", as long as you do it throughout the entire analysis) after its Focus Sash is used up. The next move is Taunt which allows it to prevent other slower leads from setting up their entry hazards and it prevents opposing blocks slower Taunts. The last moveslot is a toss-up between Thunder Wave and Icy Wind. Thunder Wave allows Froslass to shit (omg. dude.) shut down fast Pokemon trying to set up, (remove comma) and helps works well with Taunt and Destiny Bond. Icy Wind works on a similar principle as Thunder Wave and prevents Froslass from becoming Taunt bait. (so in these last three sentences, you talk about TWave first and Icy Wind second, but it's the opposite order on the moveset. switch them around either here or there so that they match)

Set Details
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The preferred item for Froslass is Focus Sash, and that which allows it her to get up at least one layer of Spikes. Timid is used on Froslass so that it can maximize its Speed for using Taunt and Destiny Bond. Cursed Body allows Froslass to set up an additional layer of Spikes against Choice-locked Pokemon 30% of the time. The 252 HP investment is used to maximize Froslass's bulk, although, (remove comma) if Icy Wind, Ice Beam, (comma) or Shadow Ball is used over Thunder Wave, (comma) the EVs may be moved to Special Attack.

Usage Tips
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Froslass sets up Spikes and then KOes a foe then kills something with Destiny Bond or prevents Defog with Taunt and blocks Rapid Spin with its Ghost typing. Froslass should be sent out at the beginning of the match, if not, or at least close to the beginning so as the to make the most out of Spikes. The main goal of this set is to get set up as many Spikes as possible, (comma) so avoid using any other moves unless absolutely required. Froslass is decently useful in the Decent mid-game use in being, as it is able to revenge kill Dragons, and with its great Speed, and adequate Special Attack, with the possibility of Life Orb it could pose a threat to offensive teams, especially if it runs Life Orb.

Team Options
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Pokemon that can stop Rapid Spin or and Defog users after Froslass is gone are appreciated, so Pokemon such as Pokemon like Chandelure and Spiritomb make for nice partners because of this. Fast Taunters like such as Mega Aerodactyl (remove dash) and Crobat are also appreciated. Anything that takes advantage of the Spikes that Froslass sets also appreciates its support, such as like Sharpedo or Lucario. Stealth Rock users such as like Aerodactyl and or Swampert also make for good partners.

Other Options
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Shadow Ball or Ice Beam is an option alternative for a strong STAB attacking move over in the Icy Wind moveslot, although it provides less utility than the other two moves. (okay I'm confused...I think you mean that Shadow Ball and Ice Beam provide less utility than Icy Wind? but right now it sounds like you're saying Icy Wind provides less utility than Shadow Ball and Ice Beam. if I was right, I'd just change this to "Shadow Ball and Ice Beam are alternatives for strong STAB moves over Icy Wind, although they provide less utility than Icy Wind." if I'm wrong...idk then) Pain Split can be used to give Froslass some longevity so that Froslass can gain a bit of health back. Froslass can use Pain Split on switch-ins, as foes It can pain split on switch ins since people will fear Destiny Bond. It gives Froslass a tiny bit of longevity. A more offensive Spiker moveset with Spikes / Ice Shard / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball or Thunderbolt can be used for Froslass as well, (comma) allowing it to threaten more Pokemon with its increased coverage, the moveset being Spikes, Ice Shard, Ice Beam, Shadow Ball / Thunderbolt. Mental Herb is another item option for Froslass that allows it to not get affected by Taunt from Suicide Lead (if these are well-known set names for Aerodactyl and Azelf, okay. otherwise, make it lowercase: "suicide lead") Aerodactyl and Azelf, (remove comma) and Taunt them back to prevent them which prevents them from Taunting Froslass and it prevents them from getting their entry hazards up, allowing Froslass to set up Spikes relatively freely. (period)

Checks and Counters
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** Faster Taunt Users**: If it Froslass has Thunder Wave, (comma) then a faster Taunt from Pokemon such as Azelf and Aerodactyl completely shuts it down from Pokemon like Azelf or Aerodactyl. (do you mean...if it doesn't have Thunder Wave? I'm confused)

** (remove space) Magic Bounce**: Magic Bouncers such as like Mega Absol can also beat Froslass if it doesn't run an attacking move.

**Multi-Hit Moves**: Pokemon that can break Froslass's Focus Sash can KO kill Froslass due to their ability to break it's sash and kill it in one turn such as like Cloyster, Cinccino, and or Rhyperior.

 

[Winry]

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Overview
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Froslass is a fantastic Spiker for offensive teams, [comma > period] as it It's the only Spikes stacker that can block Rapid Spins as well. [remove period] and its high base 110 Speed allows it to set up at least 1 layer of Spikes in most situations. It also gets access to a plethora of support moves, such as Thunder Wave and Taunt. For these reasons, it is also a great lead. However, Froslass is an extremely frail Pokemon, [ac] as it has poor defensive stats and cannot take any decently strong attack if its Focus Sash is broken.


Spikes Lead
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name: Spikes Lead
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Destiny Bond
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Icy Wind / Thunder Wave
ability: Cursed Body
item: Focus Sash
evs: 252 HP/ 252 Spe/ 4 SpD
nature: Timid

Moves
========

Spikes is pretty much the only reason why you would want to use Froslass. Destiny Bond allows Froslass to take down other Pokemon, especially Rapid Spin users, along with it after Focus Sash is used up. Taunt allows it to prevent slower leads from setting up their entry hazards and blocks slower Taunts. The last moveslot is a toss up between Thunder Wave and Icy Wind. Icy Wind works on a similar principle as Thunder Wave and prevents Froslass from becoming Taunt bait. Thunder Wave allows Froslass to shut down fast Pokemon as they try trying to set up and works well with Taunt and Destiny Bond.

Set Details
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The preferred item for Froslass is Focus Sash, which allows it to get set up at least one layer of Spikes. Timid is used so that it can maximize its Speed for using Taunt and Destiny Bond. Cursed Body allows Froslass to set up an additional layer of Spikes against Choice-locked Pokemon 30% of the time. The 252 HP EVs are used investment is to maximize Froslass' bulk, [ac] although if Icy Wind, [ac] Ice Beam, [ac] or Shadow Ball is used over Thunder Wave, [ac] the EVs may be moved into Special Attack.

Usage Tips
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Froslass sets up Spikes then KOes a foe with Destiny Bond or prevents Defog with Taunt and blocks Rapid Spin with its Ghost typing. Froslass should be sent out at the beginning of the match or at least close to the beginning to make the most out of Spikes. The main goal of this set is to set up as many layers of Spikes as possible, so avoid using any other moves unless absolutely required. Froslass is decently useful in the mid-game, as it is able to revenge kill Dragons, and with its great Speed and adequate Special Attack it could pose a threat to offensive teams.

Team Options
========
Pokemon that can stop Rapid Spin and Defog users after Froslass is gone are appreciated, so Pokemon such as Chandelure and Spiritomb make for nice partners because of this. Fast Taunters such as Mega Aerodactyl and Crobat are also appreciated. Anything that takes advantage of the Spikes that Froslass sets also appreciates its support, such as Sharpedo or Lucario. Stealth Rock users such as Aerodactyl or Swampert also make for good partners.

Other Options
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Shadow Ball and Ice Beam are alternatives for strong STAB moves over Icy Wind, although they provide less utility than Icy Wind. Pain Split can be used to give Froslass some longevity so that Froslass can gain a bit of health back. Froslass can use Pain Split on switch-ins, as foes It can pain split on switch ins since people will fear Destiny Bond. It which gives Froslass a tiny bit of longevity. A more offensive Spiker moveset with Spikes / Ice Shard / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball or Thunderbolt can be used for Froslass as well, allowing it to threaten more Pokemon with its increased coverage. Mental Herb is another item option for Froslass that allows it to not get affected by Taunt from Suicide Lead Aerodactyl and Azelf and Taunt them back, [ac] which prevents them from Taunting Froslass and it prevents them from setting getting their entry hazards up, allowing Froslass to set up Spikes relatively freely.

Checks and Counters
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**Faster Taunt Users**: If Froslass has Thunder Wave, then a faster Taunt from Pokemon such as Azelf and Aerodactyl completely shuts it down from Pokemon like Azelf or Aerodactyl.

**Magic Bounce**: Magic Bouncers such as Mega Absol can also beat Froslass if it doesn't run an attacking move.

**Multi-Hit Moves**: Pokemon such as Cloyster, [ac] Cinccino, [ac] and Rhyperior can easily KO Froslass with their multi-hit moves, [ac] as these attacks break its Focus Sash and KO it in one turn that can break Froslass' Focus Sash can KO Froslass due to their ability to break it's and kill it in one turn such as Cloyster, Cinccino, and Rhyperior.

2/2

 

[SM979]

the ev spread should read "252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe"

 

[Cynde]

alright added those things, so this is done

 

[IronBullet]

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