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Gigalith (Revamp) (QC 3/3) (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Magical Magmortar, Aug 30, 2013.

  1. Magical Magmortar

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    [Overview]
    • Custap Lead that sets up Stealth Rock then hits with an attack
    • Stronger Explosion and Rock Blast than Golem; however, Golem has STAB on Earthquake, making it a better choice most of the time
    • Mono rock typing makes it outclassed offensively by Golem and defensively by Regirock
    • Great offensive presence
    • Explosion lets you go out with a bang
    • Sturdy lets you survive a hit and set up Stealth Rock
    [SET]
    name: Custap Lead
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Explosion
    move 3: Rock Blast
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Custap Berry
    ability: Sturdy
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Great Suicide lead because of great attack
    • Explosion is the main move
    • Rock Blast breaks substitutes
    • Earthquake hits Steel and Rock types trying to switch in
    • Custap Berry grants infinite speed, letting you go before the opponent besides priority
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • EVs outspeed uninvested Carracosta
    • Adamant nature raises the power
    • Golurk, Haunter, and Drifblim are all great offensive spinblockers because there is no way to bring back Stealth Rock if Gigalith has exploded
    • Stone Edge can be used instead of Rock Blast for more power but breaking substitute is just more helpful
    • Normal Gem can be used to make Explosion more powerful
    • Leftovers can be used to survive throughout the match
    • Gigalith is best on offensive teams so partners like Scolipede, Ludicolo, Gorebyss, and Sawk appreciate Stealth Rock and Explosion against walls
    [Other Options]
    • Superpower over Earthquake
    • Autotomize
    • Choice Band
    • Heavy Slam hits Rock types but has a horrible offensive typing
    [Checks and Counters]
    • Choice Band Mold Breaker Sawk goes through Sturdy
    • Wartortle
    • Tangela
    • Taunt Misdreavus
    • Bulky Ground-types, Torterra beats it but cannot prevent Custap Stealth Rock
    • Golurk gets around Stealth Rock 50% of the time with DynamicPunch, but it is uncommon
    • Alomomola


    [Overview]

    <p>In a tier filled with Rock-types, Gigalith struggles to stand out. Gigalith often finds itself as a Custap lead that sets up Stealth Rock and then finishes with an attack. Its sole Rock typing makes it outclassed offensively by Golem and defensively by Regirock. A stronger Rock Blast and Explosion might make it seem better than Golem, but Golem gets STAB on Earthquake and an Electric-type immunity, which makes it better overall. Gigalith's main selling point is Sturdy, which lets it almost always survive a hit and set up Stealth Rock. Also, great offensive presence and a powerful Explosion are good reasons to choose Gigalith if you need a suicide lead.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Custap Lead
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Explosion
    move 3: Rock Blast
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Custap Berry
    ability: Sturdy
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Gigalith makes for a great suicide lead because of its high Attack. This set aims to set up Stealth Rock quickly and then hit with a powerful attack. Explosion is the main attack for Gigalith, letting it go out with a bang. Rock Blast breaks Substitute and Focus Sash, and Earthquake hits Rock-types and Steel-types that would otherwise freely switch in on Gigalith. Sturdy guarantees that Gigalith can almost always set up Stealth Rock.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs outspeed uninvested Carracosta. Custap Berry lets Gigalith move before everything in its priority bracket, but does not prevent it from being outsped by priority moves. As far as partners go, Golurk, Haunter, and Drifblim are great offensive spinblockers and appreciate Stealth Rock. Stone Edge can be used over Rock Blast for added power; however, Rock Blast is much more helpful because it breaks Substitute. Normal Gem can be used as a way to boost the power of Explosion, but Custap Berryis better because of the pseudo-Speed boost it grants. Leftovers can be used for passive recovery, but Gigalith is better off as a suicide lead. Lum Berry can also be used to avoid status, but Custap Berry is consistently useful. Gigalith fits in well on offensive teams, as offensive partners such as Ludicolo, Sawk, and Braviary enjoy Stealth Rock and Explosion, which weaken walls to the point that these Pokemon are be able to break through.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Superpower can be used for a more powerful way to break through Rock- and Steel-types, but the Attack drop really hinders Gigalith. Autotomize can raise Gigalith's pitiful Speed, but Gigalith is quite vulnerable to priority, limiting the effectiveness of doing this. Choice Band can be used as an instant way to raise Gigalith's power, but Gigalith relies on its coverage and switching moves too much for this to be worth it in general. Heavy Slam hits fellow Rock-types hard but has a horrible offensive typing. Although Gigalith's main goal is to deal damage early-game, Toxic can be a surprise to physical walls which take little damage from Gigalith's attacks.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Choice Band Sawk can break through Sturdy with Mold Breaker and OHKO Gigalith with Close Combat, making it a good counter. Wartortle is the next best counter to Gigalith because can take Gigalith's attacks with ease and beats Gigalith one-on-one with Scald and Rapid Spin. Tangela can get around Gigalith by using Sleep Powder and 2HKOing it with Giga Drain. Misdreavus can shut down Gigalith by using Taunt in conjunction with Will-O-Wisp, rendering Gigalith harmless. Bulky Ground-types such as Torterra, which beats Gigalith but cannot prevent Stealth Rock being set up, and Golurk, which though it does not often run it, can get around Stealth Rock 50% of the time with DynamicPunch are also decent answers to Gigalith. Marowak is a great answer to Gigalith because it can bypass Sturdy with Bonemerang. Alomomola can live any of Gigalith's attacks and heal off the damage with Wish or Regenerator.</p>
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    the two sets are basically the same, i'd just put leftovers and normal gem in ac and use custap as the main set since it's the best gigalith can do even though it's outclassed by golem.
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    changes made. thanks FLCL!
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    [Overview]
    You can combine the first two points since they're basically the same with the second one being more specific. You can mention that as Golem outclasses it offensively, Regirock outclasses it defensively since it has superior bulk all around compared to Gigalith. Mention what it does in the metagame in the overview. Basically just say its used as a Custap lead that sets up Stealth Rock and then goes off with an attack. Do mention that its advantage over Golem is a stronger Explosion and Rock Blast, which could make a difference since you're only going to generally get off one attack anyways after you SR.

    [SET COMMENTS]
    Custap does not grant you priority, it actually just gives you "infinite" Speed, letting you do whatever you want before the opponent but will always be beat by priority moves of any kind.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    Specifically mention that it outspeeds uninvested Carracosta, since it does not outspeed the standard Shell Smash.

    [Checks and Counters]
    CB Mold Breaker should be at the top of the list as it goes through Sturdy and OHKOes Gigalith. Next up should be Wartortle and Tangela. Wartortle is faster than Gigalith and will beat it 1v1 and can beat other Ghost-types. Even with Explosion the game is usually like this: Wartortle Scald as you SR; You Rock Blast as they Rapid Spin; You get taken down by Scald next turn. If you Explode instead of Rock Blast then they get off the spin anyways and you don't have SR. Tangela can get around you by Sleep Powdering and 2HKOing with Giga Drain, with Giga Drain never putting Gigalith in Custap range unless it crits, meaning even if you would wake up second turn you cannot Custap SR. Add Torterra and mention how Alomomola, Torterra, and Golurk all beat it, but do not prevent it from setting up Stealth Rock. (You can mention that some Stealth Rock Golurks opt for No Guard and DynamicPunch, but even then it's only a 50% chance of preventing SR)

    Remove multihit moves, none of them are a threat to Gigalith and even the strongest multihit move I can think of (CB Torterra Bullet Seed) has a very low chance of actually taking down Gigalith. It needs 5 hits at the least and even then it's only about a 50% chance to take down Gigalith. I would also remove other entry hazards from the list considering that its main set is a Custap Lead, meaning it will almost always be send out first turn anyways.

    Implement this @Magical Magmortar and I'll look at it again so I can stamp it later.
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    Magical Magmortar are you still working on this? Please implement ebeast's check! :)
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    Sorry for this being inactive, I am busy. I plan to do this tomorrow Treecko!
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    Ok I have implemented ebeast's check!
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    [Checks and Counters]
    Mention that Golurk can get around SR 50% of the time with DynamicPunch but that that is an uncommon attack on it.

    QC Approved 1/3 Magical Magmortar
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    You have so few teammates. Emphasize that Gigalith works best on offensive/hyper offensive teams that don't need Gigalith's resistances and appreciate the damage that it can get off. For the Ghost-type teammates, mention Golurk, Haunter, and Drifblim as decent offensive spinblockers. Mention that Gigalith works best with offensive playstyles, so teammates that fit these playstyles (Spikes Stacking Offense, Weather, Dual Screens, Choiced) are all good teammates. Stuff like Scolipede, Ludicolo, Gorebyss, Sawk, Braviary, etc. all appreciate Stealth Rock and Gigalith possibly weakening defensive mons with Explosion. Mention specifically that it is Taunt Misdreavus that counters Gigalith.
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    make sure you mention why most teams prefer Golem > Gigalith. The lack of STAB on EQ really sucks. Gigalith isn't a bad Pokemon, but it should definitely be stated when you should use it, and when to use Golem instead.
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    I'm going to pick straight from my experiences with Golem (and the Golem Analysis) as they play really similarly.

    Toxic
    should be mentioned in AC as a last ditch attempt to do something to Alomomola


    I think something about Golem having priority outside of custap could be cool to mention.

    I also don't think (and after discussing it in #neverused w/ oglemi ) it should be called Custap lead if you're mentioning alternative items in AC. Something like "Lead" was something that Oglemi suggested.
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    yes, this is being worked on. I was just gone for the past few days :P
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    [Overview]
    • The first sentence doesn't really make sense. It basically says "NU has a lot of Rock-types, so as a result Gigalith's a Custap lead w/ SR + Explosion." Just start off by saying Gigalith struggles to stand out compared to other Rock-types.
    • When you say Golem is better b/c of STAB EQ, also mention that Golem is immune to Electric, which is another huge selling point over Gigalith.
    • At the end, I think you should mention that while Gigalith isn't a bad Pok√©mon, it's just really outclassed. It's perfectly usable, there just aren't many reasons TO use it.
    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Mention how Sturdy also makes it a good lead, allowing to live almost any hit and set up rocks.
    • Move the Custap Berry mention to AC.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Mention Lum Berry here, and how it can avoid sleep moves like Lovely Kiss and Sleep Powder to let you set up SR, and also give a one-time shield to burns or w/e. Mention that Custap is generally more consistent and helps Gigalith deal more damage early-game.
    [Other Options]
    • Put Toxic here, since it can be a decent surprise for physical walls that wouldn't take much from Gigalith's attacks. Mention that since Gigalith dies early-game it mainly wants to deal damage than spread status.
    Implement and I'll check back later Magical Magmortar :)
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    If you are going to mention Ground-types in CC, I want separate a mention of Marowak, who can Bonemerang Gigalith into oblivion.
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    On the mention of Marowak, mention specifically that Bonemerang can break through Sturdy since it hits twice.

    Looks good bud QC Approved 3/3
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    [Overview]

    <p>In a tier filled with Rock-types, Gigalith struggles to stand out. Gigalith often finds itself as a Custap Lead that sets up Stealth Rock, (AC) and then finishes with an attack. Mono(it sounds better how i have done it IMO, and i haven't seen any analyses with mono [typing] soooo) Its sole rRock typing makes it outclassed offensively by Golem, (AC) and defensively by Regirock. A stronger Rock Blast and Explosion might make it seem better than Golem, but Golem gets STAB on Earthquake and a Electric-type immunity which makes Golem better overall. Another(all this time you were talking about how it sucks; hence 'another' is out of place)Gigalith's main selling point for Gigalith is Sturdy, (AC) which as it lets you Gigalith survive a hit, and set up Stealth Rock. Also, great offensive presence and a powerful Explosion are good reasons to choose Gigalith if you need a suicide lead.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Custap Lead
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Explosion
    move 3: Rock Blast
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Custap Berry
    ability: Sturdy
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Gigalith makes a great suicide lead because of its high aAttack. This set functions to set up Stealth Rock quickly, and then hit with a powerful attack. Explosion is the main attack for Gigalith, letting it go out with a bang. Rock Blast breaks Substitute and Focus Sash, and Earthquake hits Rock- and Steel-types trying to that would normally switch in on Gigalith. Sturdy lets Gigalith survive any hit and set up Stealth Rock.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs outspeed uninvested Carracosta and go for maximum aAttack, which is also further raised by an Adamant nature. Custap Berry grants infinite lets it outspeed everything in the same priority bracket, but will always not prevent it from being outsped surpassed by priority moves. As far as partners go,(you're starting partners all of a sudden without any previous context, you could move this sentence below) Golurk, Haunter, and Drifblim are great offensive spinblockers and appreciate Stealth Rock. Stone Edge can be used over Rock Blast for added power; however, Rock Blast is much more helpful because it breaks Substitute. Normal Gem can be used as a way to boost the power of Explosion, but Custap is better because of its infinite speed. Leftovers can be used for to survive through the match passive recovery, but Gigalith is usually seen better off as a suicide lead. Lum Berry can also be used to avoid status, but Custap Berry is more consistent, and helps Gigalith deal more damage(explain). Gigalith fits in well on offensive teams, so offensive partners like such as Ludicolo, Sawk, and Braviary enjoy Stealth Rock and Explosion, against as both weaken walls to the point that the aforementioned Pokemon may be able to break through them.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Superpower can be used for a more powerful way to break through Rock- and Steel-types, but the Attack drop really hinders Gigalith. Autotomize can raise Gigalith's pitiful sSpeed, but it Gigalith is still quite vulnerable to priority, limiting the set's effectiveness overall. Choice Band can be used as an instant way to raise Gigalith's power, but Gigalith relies on its coverage and switching moves too much. Heavy Slam hits fellow Rock-types hard, but has a horrible offensive typing. Although Gigalith's main goal is to deal damage early-game, Toxic can be a surprise to physical walls who take little damage from Gigalith's attacks.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Choice Band Sawk can break through sSturdy with Mold Breaker, and OHKOes Gigalith with Close Combat, making it a good counter. Wartortle is the next best counter to Gigalith, as because it takes Gigalith's damage with ease and beats Gigalith 1 on 1 one on one with Scald and Rapid Spin. Tangela can get around Gigalith by using Sleep Powdering on it and 2HKOing it with Giga Drain. Taunt Misdreavus shuts down Gigalith by using Taunting then using in conjunction with Will-oO-Wisp, rendering Gigalith harmless. Bulky Ground-types such as who Torterra beats Gigalith but cannot prevent Custap Stealth Rock, while Golurk gets around Stealth Rock 50% of the time with DynamicPunch, but although it is uncommonly used on Golurk. Marowak is a great answer to Gigalith because it can just Bonemerang hit Gigalith with Bonemerang because it gets through to bypass Sturdy by hitting twiceo times. Alomomola can live through any of Gigalith's attacks and heal off the damage with Wish or Regenerator.</p>

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