1. New to the forums? Check out our Mentorship Program!
    Our mentors will answer your questions and help you become a part of the community!
  2. Welcome to Smogon Forums! Please take a minute to read the rules.

Quality Control Heatran (2 sets) [QC 2/2]

Discussion in 'DPP Analyses' started by Jirachee, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. Jirachee

    Jirachee Kaleidoscope
    is a Tutoris an official Team Rateris a Forum Moderatoris a Community Contributor Alumnus
    RMT Co-Leader

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,734
    [​IMG]
    http://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/pokemon/heatran
    heater.

    this is the only set that's kinda outdated on heatran and since it's probably the best it should probably get a revamp...

    [SET]
    name: Support
    move 1: Fire Blast
    move 2: Explosion / Earth Power
    move 3: Hidden Power Electric / Hidden Power Grass / Earth Power
    move 4: Stealth Rock / Taunt
    item: Passho Berry / Shuca Berry
    nature: Rash / Modest
    evs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpA

    [SET COMMENTS]

    - lures in a bunch of stuff depending on the berry. passho gets gyarados / starmie / suicune / hydro rotom-a / etc. while shuca gets no stab EQers and other Heatran
    - Fire Blast is strong and tears through a lot of things. Generic STAB
    - Explosion works great especially with Passho for luring in Waters and killing them, also stuff like Blissey.
    - Earth Power gets other Heatran
    - HP Electric and Grass hits most Water types hard, Electric nails Gyarados while Grass beats Swampert. - EP + Boom is only worth it on Shuca really.
    - Heatran is an excellent SRer, but if you already have SR somewhere, Taunt makes defensive mons cry

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    - great lure, use with a sweeper that benefits from that. if Passho, use it with something like Gyarados that likes Starmie and Suicune removed. If Shuca, use it with something like NP Celebi that likes Heatran gone.
    - if you use it on the same team as Lucario, HP electric is great for removing Gyarados, a common counter. If you use HP Grass, then Tyranitar can benefit from Swampert being removed.
    - use lo or specs if lead as it does better vs common leads thanks to higher bp moves (like overheat)
    - Max Speed if Earth Power

    [SET]
    name: Anti-Lead
    move 1: Magma Storm
    move 2: Stealth Rock
    move 3: Explosion
    move 4: Will-O-Wisp
    item: Lum Berry
    nature: Modest
    evs: 248 HP / 84 Def / 96 SpA / 80 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    - does well against a ton of common leads. Roserade, Machamp, Jirachi, Azelf, etc.
    - Magma Storm kills other leads through sashes and is strong as fuck
    - Stealth Rock is Stealth Rock
    - Explosion nails Waters and allows you to escape bad situations in case of bad lead match up
    - Will-O-Wisp cripples things that would otherwise shut down this set (i.e. ttar)

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    - The EV spread allows Heatran to always live Machamp's DynamicPunch, and will also always outspeed Machamp unless it runs a Jolly nature (which is never)
    - great for offensive teams that are looking for a way to beat anti-leads while also needing a SR user
    - other Heatran completely shut down this set so use something that can beat that
    - Lum Berry is great because it beats status leads
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2014
  2. BKC

    BKC
    is a Tutoris a Smogon IRC AOPis a Tiering Contributoris a Team Rater Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnusis Smogon Frontier's Castle Valetis a Past WCoP Winneris the Smogon Tour Season 16 Champion

    Joined:
    May 22, 2010
    Messages:
    3,659
    max speed is only needed if you have earth power

    otherwise approved 1/2
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2014
    Jaiho and Jirachee like this.
  3. Tomahawk

    Tomahawk Fuck you, pay me
    is a Team Rater Alumnus
    Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2010
    Messages:
    2,233
    i don't think we do speed creep on analyses so no 8 speed, make that spdef or atk and mention you can invest a few evs in speed in AC

    you could slash hp grass before hp electric (i use it more often) but there is not much difference tbh so this order is fine. maybe mention that hp electric makes a great lucario teammate since most stall teams rely on gyara to take on luke

    "- use lo or specs if lead"
    mention overheat as well, i believe it gets some additional kills like guaranteed on machamp with specs, and from 0% to 75% with lo.

    nice lead

    approved

    edit: mention 32 spe w/ hp electric to outspeed gyarados
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2014
    Jirachee likes this.
  4. Jirachee

    Jirachee Kaleidoscope
    is a Tutoris an official Team Rateris a Forum Moderatoris a Community Contributor Alumnus
    RMT Co-Leader

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,734
    implemented all of these, thanks a lot

    I'll start writing asap o.o

Users Viewing Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 0)