Inheritance [Prime Council Elected]

[Imperator Romanum]

Inheritance Ubers viability rankings​

S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are amazing in the Inheritance Ubers metagame. These Pokemon are usually able to perform a variety of roles effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.

• S Rank

Groudon-P (Rayquaza, Ho-oh, Altaria, Victini, Charizard-X)
Gengar-Mega (Shuckle, Venomoth, Parasect)
Rayquaza-Mega (Mega Rayquaza)

• Low S rank

Deoxys-A (Keckleon, Greninja, Alakazam)

A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are fantastic in the Inheritance Ubers metagame, and can sweep, support, or wall significant portions of the metagame. These Pokemon require less support than most others to be used effectively and have few flaws that can easily be overlooked when compared to their positive traits.

• High A Rank

Salamence-Mega (Genesect, Lucario, Mega Rayquaza)
Kyogre (Alomomola, Masquerain, Corsola)
Slaking (Breloom, Gliscor, Lucario-Mega, Genesect)
Chansey (Sableye, Mega Sableye)
Giratina (Sigilyph, Gliscor, Breloom, Furfrou, Sableye, Mega sableye, Quagsire, Clefable)

• Mid A Rank

Palkia (Kingdra, Blastoise-Mega, Primal Kyogre)
Latios (Blastoise-Mega, Dragalge)
Kyurem-Black (Glalie-Mega, Cloyster, Charizard X, Keckleon)
Mawile-Mega (Mew, Carracosta, Donphan, Hitmontop, avalugg)
Lugia (Clefable, Quagsire, Sableye, Masquarin, Mega Sableye, Sigilyph, Breloom, Gliscor)

• Low A Rank

Dialga (Blastoise-Mega, Voltbeat, Clefable)
Zekrom (Charizard-x, Victini) anything else?
Regigigas ( Breloom, Gliscor, Lucario mega, Genesect)
Xerneas (Altaria-Mega, Slurpuff, Mega Absol)
Kyurem-White (Mega Gladlie, Aurorus)


B Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are great in the Inheritance Ubers metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than those above them that affect how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential.

• High B Rank

Metagross-Mega (Carracosta, Volbeat, Bronzong, Genesect)

• Mid B Rank

Rayquaza (Salamence-Mega, Talonflame)
Ho-oh (Rayquaza-Mega, Talonflame, Salamence-Mega)
Giratina-Origin (Dragalge, Salamence)

• Low B Rank

Terrakion (Check regular inheritance viability rankings

C Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that have notable niches in the Inheritance Ubers metagame, but have just as many notable flaws that prevent them from being effective. Pokemon in the C tier often require significant support to be effective. Pokemon from this rank tend to face a lot of competition with the more commonly used Pokemon.

• High C Rank

Glalie-Mega (Genesect, Lucario, Rayquaza, Check regular Inheritance viability rankings)
Blaziken-Mega (Rayquaza)
Ditto (Ditto)

• Mid C Rank

Keldeo (Blastoise-Mega, Ogre primal)
Rhydon

• Low C Rank

D Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are mediocre in the Inheritance Ubers metagame, but are viable enough to justify their use on select teams. These Pokemon are either usable but have no real niche, or are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are often severely outclassed because of it.

 

[grurk]

Slaking should go to s, and deoxys should go down to high A

 

[Imperator Romanum]

Slaking should go to s, and deoxys should go down to high A

Slaking is fodder for Mega Gengar, can't OHKO Primal don at +2, is revenge killed by opposing E speed, walled by Unaware Giratina, lacks a proper answer to most ghost types in general. Nah, it's fine in +A.
There's a higher chance of Deoxys-A going up than down, atleast until its banned.

 

[xJownage]

First, after playtesting rayray I can say its pretty meh...like mid A meh. Since pdon has recovery and sacred fire, and shit like levidialga running around, it not only has checks, but COUNTERS. Its lack of recovery and better ability significantly hampers its effectiveness. Most teams have more than one check by default; this includes offensive teams. Mega ray should be a rank and nothing more.

Slaking has plenty of checks and counters, and is pretty easy to switch into. It is generally disappointing in damage output before it boosts, while banded variants can be taken advantage of and lose momentum.

Deo-a cant go above low S because of the opportunity cost accompanying running a mon with the bulk of a wet tissue. Sash remedies this to a limited extent, but there is no way you can rank it with pdon and mega gengar.

Why are chatot and noivern listed for kyuw? Aurorus / mega glalie, maybe a sweeper of some sort, but it looks like somebody assumed it was mega and got refrigerate lol.

Add absol-mega to xerneas and move it to A rank. Paired wirh a sweeper, fast taunt + mb + cm + bp literally 6-0s stall not running fast haze / parting shot when accompanied by a moldy special attacker. You could also pass SD if you wanted to, but cm adds to the recipients bulk on that side, which is helpful considering most stallmons run special attacks. sD is also weak to burn on the switchin.

Stall teams are surprisingly hard to break in this meta. Ph slaking and other wallbreakers do well. Chansey is aids. If only one of the ml users could break chansey...

 

[Imperator Romanum]

First, after playtesting rayray I can say its pretty meh...like mid A meh. Since pdon has recovery and sacred fire, and shit like levidialga running around, it not only has checks, but COUNTERS. Its lack of recovery and better ability significantly hampers its effectiveness. Most teams have more than one check by default; this includes offensive teams. Mega ray should be a rank and nothing more.

Slaking has plenty of checks and counters, and is pretty easy to switch into. It is generally disappointing in damage output before it boosts, while banded variants can be taken advantage of and lose momentum.

Deo-a cant go above low S because of the opportunity cost accompanying running a mon with the bulk of a wet tissue. Sash remedies this to a limited extent, but there is no way you can rank it with pdon and mega gengar.

Why are chatot and noivern listed for kyuw? Aurorus / mega glalie, maybe a sweeper of some sort, but it looks like somebody assumed it was mega and got refrigerate lol.

Add absol-mega to xerneas and move it to A rank. Paired wirh a sweeper, fast taunt + mb + cm + bp literally 6-0s stall not running fast haze / parting shot when accompanied by a moldy special attacker. You could also pass SD if you wanted to, but cm adds to the recipients bulk on that side, which is helpful considering most stallmons run special attacks. sD is also weak to burn on the switchin.

Stall teams are surprisingly hard to break in this meta. Ph slaking and other wallbreakers do well. Chansey is aids. If only one of the ml users could break chansey...

Mega Rayquaza does not have counters, Dialga doesn't appreciate choice banded V-create, nor does it like +1 Outrage, even fully physically defensive Dialga is 2HKOd by V-create. It's still a Mega Rayquaza, I put it there because its a nice starting place for it, if it needs to go down, do it slowly. Delta stream isn't a bad ability either, it sets up on Primal don if it has a lum, atleast certain sets.

It's not going down either, which was more my point hehe.

Yeah sorry, crap. I forgot about that.

Done! Staying in A- until I see a few more arguments, reluctant to move everything around as it stands.

 

[xJownage]

Mega Rayquaza does not have counters, Dialga doesn't appreciate choice banded V-create, nor does it like +1 Outrage, even fully physically defensive Dialga is 2HKOd by V-create. It's still a Mega Rayquaza, I put it there because its a nice starting place for it, if it needs to go down, do it slowly. Delta stream isn't a bad ability either, it sets up on Primal don if it has a lum, atleast certain sets.

It's not going down either, which was more my point hehe.

Yeah sorry, crap. I forgot about that.

Done! Staying in A- until I see a few more arguments, reluctant to move everything around as it stands.

Mega Ray has counters to each of its specific sets. Sure, if you think its SD / espeed / DA / EQ and bring in levidialga but it turns out its banded outrage, then you take tons of damage, but that applies to much of inheritance. Mega Ray is NOWHERE CLOSE in centralization and effectiveness to the other mons in either S rank. Are you really telling me mega ray is as good as pdon and mega gar, and is better than deo-a? Hell, is it better than mons in A+ like slaking, giratina, and chansey? No, it really isn't. A is where it fits in terms of how good it is in the meta. It fits best with kyube, latios, etc. With tons of priority and its lack of recovery, it is rather, well, lackluster in this meta. Sure, its got its strong points, A rank is certainly good, but it definitely is not on par with many of the top mons atm.

Slaking is perfect at A+. Amazing against varying playstyles depending on the set. Poison heal destroys balance, Espeed destroys offense, while it can run all kinds of weird MG sets to destroy stall. Have fun with worry seed users.

Yeah I was agreeing with you on that. S- is a good place for it, although I don't like splitting S, because it certainly isn't as easy to use as pdon and mega gar.

Also, worry seed can beat the magic bounce set iirc, so theres that. Either way, its a one trick pony. The point is shit is just too bulky for you to slap powerful mons on a team and beat stall in this meta, which is a good thing.

 

[SpartanMalice]

One set for Pdon I found useful, but might be just a decent niche:

Groudon @ Red Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Lax Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Fire move/Stone Edge/WoW
- Morning Sun

The thing I needed was a mon with a support move and recovery, and using ds this was the closest I could find that would suit Primaldon's needs. Sadly lacks physical fire moves, so you are either gonna have to ditch the fire stab, or run mixed which hurts bulk. All in all though don is bulky enough to take a few hits and heal it off at the end vs Morning Sun. Obviously, not the best mon though as it had a tough time with Jernmax's Gengar.

 

[Anna says hi]

Imo lax nature is NEVER worth running, if you wanna run mixed on a wall just go -speed.

 

[xJownage]

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/customgame-238079323

I don't even need the absol strat to beat stall teams. Pdon does a good job there with sacred fire and archeops is good too!

 

[motherlove]

Inheritance Ubers viability rankings​

S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are amazing in the Inheritance Ubers metagame. These Pokemon are usually able to perform a variety of roles effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.

• S Rank

View attachment 43279 Groudon-P (Rayquaza, Ho-oh, Altaria, Victini, Charizard-X)
View attachment 43269 Gengar-Mega (Shuckle, Venomoth, Parasect)
View attachment 43285 Rayquaza-Mega (Mega Rayquaza)

• Low S rank

View attachment 43267 Deoxys-A (Keckleon, Greninja, Alakazam)

A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are fantastic in the Inheritance Ubers metagame, and can sweep, support, or wall significant portions of the metagame. These Pokemon require less support than most others to be used effectively and have few flaws that can easily be overlooked when compared to their positive traits.

• High A Rank

View attachment 43274 Salamence-Mega (Genesect, Lucario, Mega Rayquaza)
View attachment 43282 Kyogre (Alomomola, Masquerain, Corsola)
View attachment 43266 Slaking (Breloom, Gliscor, Lucario-Mega, Genesect)
View attachment 43270 Chansey (Sableye, Mega Sableye)
View attachment 43273 Giratina (Sigilyph, Gliscor, Breloom, Furfrou, Sableye, Mega sableye, Quagsire, Clefable)

• Mid A Rank

View attachment 43268 Palkia (Kingdra, Blastoise-Mega, Primal Kyogre)
View attachment 43276 Latios (Blastoise-Mega, Dragalge)
View attachment 43271 Kyurem-Black (Glalie-Mega, Cloyster, Charizard X, Keckleon)
View attachment 43280 Mawile-Mega (Mew, Carracosta, Donphan, Hitmontop, avalugg)
View attachment 43278 Lugia (Clefable, Quagsire, Sableye, Masquarin, Mega Sableye, Sigilyph, Breloom, Gliscor)

• Low A Rank

View attachment 43281 Dialga (Blastoise-Mega, Voltbeat, Clefable)
View attachment 43283 Zekrom (Charizard-x, Victini) anything else?
View attachment 43289 Regigigas ( Breloom, Gliscor, Lucario mega, Genesect)
View attachment 43290 Xerneas (Altaria-Mega, Slurpuff, Mega Absol)
View attachment 43275 Kyurem-White (Mega Gladlie, Aurorus)


B Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are great in the Inheritance Ubers metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than those above them that affect how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential.

• High B Rank

View attachment 43272 Metagross-Mega (Carracosta, Volbeat, Bronzong, Genesect)

• Mid B Rank

View attachment 43285 Rayquaza (Salamence-Mega, Talonflame)
View attachment 43284 Ho-oh (Rayquaza-Mega, Talonflame, Salamence-Mega)
View attachment 43277 Giratina-Origin (Dragalge, Salamence)

• Low B Rank

View attachment 43287 Terrakion (Check regular inheritance viability rankings

C Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that have notable niches in the Inheritance Ubers metagame, but have just as many notable flaws that prevent them from being effective. Pokemon in the C tier often require significant support to be effective. Pokemon from this rank tend to face a lot of competition with the more commonly used Pokemon.

• High C Rank

View attachment 43291 Glalie-Mega (Genesect, Lucario, Rayquaza, Check regular Inheritance viability rankings)
View attachment 43286 Blaziken-Mega (Rayquaza)
View attachment 43292 Ditto (Ditto)

• Mid C Rank

View attachment 43288 Keldeo (Blastoise-Mega, Ogre primal)
View attachment 43293 Rhydon

• Low C Rank

D Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are mediocre in the Inheritance Ubers metagame, but are viable enough to justify their use on select teams. These Pokemon are either usable but have no real niche, or are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are often severely outclassed because of it.

-Get rid of voltbeat for megagross, that's for regular gross.
-Get rid of the "anything else" next to zekrom
-Learn how to write glalie for kyurem-W, and add megatoise (everybody loves a good old mega launcher)
-Add luke and tyrantrum for terrak, not many sets work for him
-Add flygon for rhydon
-Replace alakazam for clefable on Deo-A, clefable is just way better

Gun get a kill (Deoxys-Attack) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Focus Blast
- Healing Wish

Healing wish has incredible utility for offense team.

 

[Lukethehedgehog]

Why is Assist banned?

 

[MK]

Why is Assist banned?

Pretty much the same as in BH: Assist V-Create. Inheriting from something like Liepard was really ridiculous, with Prankster+Assist and Stuff like that. Bypassing species clause was also really easy, as Purrlion gives the exact same ability and the only move you need (Assist). There are even less answers to Prankster V-Create in Inheritance than in Balanced Hackmons, and it was banned. Here's the post for reference.

 

[SpartanMalice]

This time, why not try for Inheritance Ubers?

Worth a shot.

 

[Imperator Romanum]

​

New players, welcome to the most popular omoth ever. Inheritance is a metagame that gained a massive fan-base and was very, very active all throughout the month. It's a metagame that highly balanced, where offence does not reign supreme, but before I go through the most popular mons lets get to know what the metagame is about. Inheritance is a metagame where you inherit the moves and ability of another pokemon, so in reality you could have Suicune with the moves and ability of Quagsire, making it a defensive behemoth able to stop threats like Extreme Speed Mega Pinsir dead in its tracks without any issue, but that's not all. A OM almost always attempts to make less useful pokemon, useable, and in Inheritance this is very much true. Here pokemon who lack either the movepool or ability can shine, so yes, Regenerator Regirock with Scald is a thing, but so it Regenerator Assault vest Goodra with Dragon tail, but fear not, there are terrifying wallbreakers in this tier aswell. Protean Rompardos is a great example, bringing immense power with insane coverage. Or of course, Protean Azelf backed up by Nasty plot. But enough rambling, lets take a look at some defensive, offensive and balance sets to get you started, lets start with offence.

Gengar @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Sludge Wave

Gengar with Sheer force and life orb was always a powerful threat in any metagame, and is a favourite in AAA so it returns in Inheritance, now packing Thunder wave, Stealth rock, Toxic Spikes, Taunt all from Nidoking

Azelf @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Thunderbolt

Azelf was a staple on offence, being a supreme wallbreaker with its ability to hit almost anything hard, unfortunately it struggled from 4MMS being unable to attack everything at once. In inherited from Kecleon or Greninja which gave it plenty of options, on both the physical or special side.

Entei @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Sacred Fire
- Brave Bird
- Earthquake
- Flame Charge

Entei was added for its ability to handle most Fairy -ates effectively and generally being a huge threat to steels, grass, bug and fairy times indiscriminately. It inherited from Ho-oh giving it excellent offensive and defensive presence.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Recover
- Encore
- Scald
- Toxic

Suicune inherited from Quagsire to gain the ability unaware, Suicunes excellent defensive stats made it a force to be reckoned with. Encore and recover are two new moves to play with giving it the ability to threaten setup sweepers even if they had mold breaker (gyarados)

Chansey @ Eviolite
Ability: Magic Bounce
Happiness: 0
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
- Metal Burst
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Fake Out/Taunt

Chansey was also a force to be reckon with, it used to be S rank with the help of Prankster, but when that was banned it had to resort to Magic bounce, but it's still a tremendous threat to all playstyles alike, pivoting with ease.

VOTE INHERITANCE NEXT MONTH, HYPE 10.01.15​

 

[SpartanMalice]

Imo lax nature is NEVER worth running, if you wanna run mixed on a wall just go -speed.

I actually don't remember why it was Lax, I usually run Relaxed. I blame teambuilder for that one.

I remember that set though. It was semi useful but in general was outclassed by all the offensive dons out there.

 

[Mr155551]

It's nice to see one of my fav oms inheritance being back like you see from the sets kecleon and greninja are really good inheritors especially kecleon due to protean and massive movepool physical and special another good inheritor is mega luke with adaptability and really powerful moves like close combat for walls consider masquerain quagsire clefable and mega sableye masquerain gives intimidate and quiver pass and scald or u-turn which are really good for scizor and suicune quagsire and clefable gives unaware plus a recovery move in recover and wish respectivly quag gives crocune scald while clefable gives calm mind and stored power while mega sableye gives chansey magic bounce plus metal burst calm mind and recover so yeah

 

[Ghoul King]

Viability rankings still list Talonflame as a donor for several Pokemon, most obviously Landorus-Therian in S, but also Salamence and Skarmory -possibly others- even though inheriting Gale Wings has been banned, and without that Talonflame is pretty meh as a donor.

 

[xJownage]

Viability rankings still list Talonflame as a donor for several Pokemon, most obviously Landorus-Therian in S, but also Salamence and Skarmory -possibly others- even though inheriting Gale Wings has been banned, and without that Talonflame is pretty meh as a donor.

I'm gonna update that sometime soon when the council starts getting back into this, and the council will do a joint-update of the entire rankings. Bans of a couple of the -ate megas may come before october as well.

 

[xJownage]

This...Monstrosity or something...

Hoopa-U has been quickbanned from Inheritance.

Hoopa-U is literally the death of inheritance, being able to break stall and heavily threaten offense alike. It's insane power on both sides of the spectrum is unrivaled, and in a tier where it can easily mitigate its speed, gain all kinds of powerful abilities, and run almost any set - it literally becomes the death of stall. Nothing on stall can stand up to the onslaught of this set, regardless of what they are running; Protean sets that aren't total priority spam are just way too powerful and 2hko everything in the tier, while priority sets give offense trouble too. Hoopa-U's decent special bulk also makes it even better against stall, having the ability to stomach weak hits from typical stallmons. Protean is not its only set, however; its sets are very numerous.

Porygon-Z gets Download/Adaptability and Nasty plot, while having both Dark Pulse and Psyshock for special sets with unrivaled power.

Hoopa-U can also run scary Sheer Force sets from Mawile or Druddigon, the former getting Sucker Punch as well.

Speaking of Sucker Punch, Moxie from Mightyena or Honchkrow, the former with fairy coverage and the latter getting roost, is a deadly proposition.

Crawdaunt has Dragon Dance and Knock Off, which destroys all playstyles provided it can set up. Water coverage is pretty nice too.

Hitmonlee has Unburden and Sucker Punch/Knock Off, while Hitmontop has Intimidate and Sucker Punch.

And we are sure there are many more effective sets. I came up with the above sets in about 10 minutes. Anything on Hoopa-U is effective and utterly decimates stall, and it literally has no counters. Protean sets get to change its garbage typing as well, giving it just another niche it doesn't need. Its small flaws are very well patched up by this metagame and as a result its massive attacking stats are able to shine out to their fullest potential.


Hoopa-U is utterly impossible to handle for stall, and it does very well against offense. It is by far the most effective stallbreaker inh has ever seen, and it absolutely has to go as a result. Hoopa-U is gone, stallwarts rejoice!​

 

[OM]

Wait, 1 question can we use hyperspace fury if we inherit from hoopa-U or no?

 

[Uselesscrab]

Wait, 1 question can we use hyperspace fury if we inherit from hoopa-U or no?

You technically can have it in your moveset, but you won't be able to use it in battle.

 

[xJownage]

Wait, 1 question can we use hyperspace fury if we inherit from hoopa-U or no?

Its not valid on any other mon in showdown, so I see no reason why it would work in inheritance.

 

[OM]

Its not valid on any other mon in showdown, so I see no reason why it would work in inheritance.

Ok then, I just thought it might work since your inheriting everything but the stats and typing of the pokemon,including use of moves, like mental hypnosis but yeah, makes sense.

 

[Lcass4919]

Ok then, I just thought it might work since your inheriting everything but the stats and typing of the pokemon,including use of moves, like mental hypnosis but yeah, makes sense.

i mean, technically id understand due to inheritance "giving" the pokemon everything they have(ergo mechanicwise), but at the same time, that would be very hard to code...and for nothing more or less considering nothing really LIKES hoops movepool to begin with. on top of that, its pretty much the same thing as giving zards inheritors the option to mega evolve into mega zard x or y, which again, would only complicate the meta. hoops giving mechanical hyperspace fury, is the eqivalent to letting them run locked items such as mega stones, eviolite, or thick club, which on paper would sound really really cool, would turn this meta into a "lame mans" itemize+AAA+sketchmons+mix n mega. which would be crazy fun...but deter from the main theme of the meta imho (it would also kill mega pinsir+mega altaria). gosh i have to stop thinking about it. because that actually sounds kinda cool. Extreme Inheritance anyone?

 

[Dratios]

Lcass4919 Au contraire, there are a lot of mons that like Hoopa-U's movepool. It has a plethora of options like Thunder Wave, Gunk Shot, the Punches, Drain Punch, Knock Off, Hyperspace Hole, Trick Room... So while stuff does like inheriting from Hoopa-U, I do believe that H-fury shouldn't work when used by anyone besides Hoopa-U, to stay consistent with in-game mechanics.