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Gen 3 Is this Rayquaza Uber?

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by Jolt99, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. Jolt99


    Apr 30, 2006
    Rayquaza @ Leftovers ** Airgon
    Trait: Air Lock
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Hardy Nature (Neutral)
    - Aerial Ace
    - Dragon Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Extremespeed

    Off the bat, I don't find him to be overly powerful.

    Compare him to Salamence:


    Hp: 352
    Def: 216
    Speed: 289
    SpAttack: 302


    Hp: 332
    Def: 196
    Speed: 299
    SpAttack: 230

    The numbers will be called points

    Salamence's attack is 7 points higher, speed is 10 points higher

    Rayquaza has 30 more HP, 20 more def and spdef

    Special attack is neglegible.

    352 is divisible by 16, 332 is not

    Rayquaza will still lose to ice beam

    Extremespeed is a notable advantage, but aerial ace is weaker than hp flying

    Salamence has intimidate

    Rayquaza is an uber

  2. gorm

    is a Team Rater Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus

    Oct 4, 2006
    base 150 attack/special attack is ridiculous

    stat total of 675, lives through any unstab unboosted icebeam/hp ice/ice punch

    ridiculous movepool, nullifies ss

    would overcentralize the adv metagame

    not even a discussion. uber. period.

    just to drive the point home with some color stats:


  3. Umby

    Umby I'm gonna bury you in the ground~
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Dec 25, 2005
    The above user beat me to the punch, including the images.
  4. Lee

    Lee @ Thick Club
    is a Team Rater Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnus

    Jan 2, 2007
    It's easy to name a moveset and say that X Pokemon isn't uber, but you're ignoring the overall potential of Rayquaza. It's akin to posting a Dragon Dance Latios set and questioning why he is uber, yet Salamence is not.

    He can't be countered by anything in OU, and is uber because of that sole fact. Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Crunch, ExtremeSpeed, Thunderbolt, Earthquake, Brick Break, Overheat, Surf, Dragon Claw, Aerial Ace...all running off 150 base Attack/SpA, with over 300 Speed, incredible typing and HP, Def and SpDef that puts Swampert to shame. Oh yeah, and he gets two of the most game-breaking moves ever - Dragon Dance and Bulk Up.

    The more I write, the more I wonder if you are actually serious.
  5. Great Sage

    Great Sage

    Jul 31, 2006
    The essence of why anything is Uber isn't because of one set. If Rayquaza didn't have fifty billion awesome Special options to go along with its awesome Special Attack, if it didn't have surprisingly decent defenses, if it has an idiotic neutral nature, yeah, it isn't Uber. But normal Rayquaza have bunches of Special options, decent survivability (105/90/90 with useful resistances is quite good), and a useful nature. Consider that with a Jolly nature, Rayquaza sacrifices 6 points of Attack compared to Salamence for 18 more Speed, which is far more useful.

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