because sand is literally everywhere.Drilbur isn't A because of his spinning ability, it's because he's a menacing sweeper in sand.
because sand is literally everywhere.Drilbur isn't A because of his spinning ability, it's because he's a menacing sweeper in sand.
That isn't the case anymore. Sand sweeping is a very lackluster play style in Gen VI. It is very predictable since Drilbur must come in immediately after hippo in order to get the full effect, and has to run LO to do any real power. (You don't want to waste a turn setting up SD) This means it'll be quite frail and easy to pick off with priority or just stall out and outspeed. I'm not saying its not usable, but definitely not what was in Gen V. Drilbur is better off spinning or setting up rocks to support.Drilbur isn't A because of his spinning ability, it's because he's a menacing sweeper in sand.
In addition to what's been said above, Sand Rush is an inferior ability to Mold Breaker on Drilbur unless you yourself run Hippoptas, as Mold Breaker allows Drillbur to OHKO Dwebble, who is arguably the best hazard setter.Drilbur isn't A because of his spinning ability, it's because he's a menacing sweeper in sand.
Torchic is B rank right now, not A rank. Torchic deserves B rank because while it can net you 6-0 win, maybe 25% of the time it's 100% useless mon, so it's a high risk high reward playstyle, which never condones A rank.Torchic - A or B
Torchic should stay A rank, it is the best at what it does and it does that job quite well. It may not find itself on many teams because of the not-so-popular strategy of baton pass, but it is very viable on the right teams, and is best batonpasser bar none.
I agree here, most battles I've seen with torchic have fell apart for the user. Its incredibly predictable to see what's coming and rather easy to prepare for. Nevertheless, Torchic is arguably the best (if not, the easiest) baton passer in LC at the moment.Torchic is B rank right now, not A rank. Torchic deserves B rank because while it can net you 6-0 win, maybe 25% of the time it's 100% useless mon, so it's a high risk high reward playstyle, which never condones A rank.
its because its not bulky enough to find time to set up and without a life orb you arent nearly strong enough. also its just outclassed by things like carvanha and corphpish who just do it betterjust a question why is totodile specifically picked on for shit tier pokes? you DD and base 15 speed turns into 21 and it has a decent attack. I'm new to LC but is it because of the viability of sun offense?
Ok thanks one more question since i really like totodile, is sheer force legal?its because its not bulky enough to find time to set up and without a life orb you arent nearly strong enough. also its just outclassed by things like carvanha and corphpish who just do it better
Totodile only gets Torrent unfortunately :(Ok thanks one more question since i really like totodile, is sheer force legal?
well that sucks totodile and feraligatr would both really appreciate sheer force :[Totodile only gets Torrent unfortunately :(
As weird as it may sound,i'd go with Onix to B, and here's why:
~17 speed grants Onix a speedtie with max spe(rare) Surskit/Dwebble giving it opportunity to Taunt them blocking Shell Smash, Rocks and Sticky Web.
~It has access to infamous SturdyJuice combo which can guarantee rocks
~Rock Blast Onix can actually beat Murkrow 1v1 including sets with sub,and that's pretty big considering how Murkrow is the biggest threat to many teams
~ability to kill hazard setters mentioned above ignoring Focus Sash(surskit/spinarak) or Sturdy(Dwebble), and that guarantees that Onix will setup hazards and opposing lead will not;
~good phazing move in Dragon Tail forcing your opponent to switch to a random ally can give you good amounts of momentum(free turn=rocks/another phaze) if matchup is bad for your opp
I agree that Onix is definitely not a top-notch pokemon in this metagame, but if your team struggles vs hazards and you cannot fit spin/defog in your team, AntiLead onix should not be overlooked. screw you mienfoo
Keep in mind that's my personal opinion,not a fact
Question: if you're running rock blast, why can't you OHKO focus sash surskit/spinarak? I can see Onix not having the power to take down Dwebble, but it seems that it should be able to cleanly knock out surskit or spinarak. Or am I just vastly overestimating Onix's shitty attack and the low base power of rock blast?ignoring Focus Sash(surskit/spinarak) or Sturdy(Dwebble),
Just ran calcs on it:Question: if you're running rock blast, why can't you OHKO focus sash surskit/spinarak? I can see Onix not having the power to take down Dwebble, but it seems that it should be able to cleanly knock out surskit or spinarak. Or am I just vastly overestimating Onix's shitty attack and the low base power of rock blast?
to pretend like I'm still relevant:Larvesta - A or B
Slowpoke - A or B
Torchic - A or B
Drilbur - A or B
Cottonee - A or B
Shieldon - C or D:
Mantyke - B or C:
Shellder - B or C:
Honedge C or B
Darumaka- B or C:
Lileep - B or C
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I just said that u can OHKO them with RB without triggering sash/sturdy ;o read my post properly plsQuestion: if you're running rock blast, why can't you OHKO focus sash surskit/spinarak? I can see Onix not having the power to take down Dwebble, but it seems that it should be able to cleanly knock out surskit or spinarak. Or am I just vastly overestimating Onix's shitty attack and the low base power of rock blast?
Just to clear this up, I wasn't necessarily advocating that; I was just pointing out that the guy was saying Onix couldn't KO surskit with a focus sash, yet the post before he'd written:Just ran calcs on it:
1) most onix's use stone edge. take that for what its worth.
2) at minimum, rock blast does 76% to surskit (low rolls (8) on two strikes. One high roll results in a OHKO.
3) with 5 hits and no high rolls, it does 142.8% (6 damage 5 times) to dwebble. with berry juice; it looks like this: (21-6-6+12-6-6-6) which leaves them ith 3 hp. I found it really funny that even 1 high roll will leave them with 1 hp (the high roll does 8). So - onix leaves dwebble relatively useless, but dwebble can still get rocks down at least.
note i just used the usage sets, so take that as you will.
to pretend like I'm still relevant:
Larvesta's role is the same as last gen's it works as a fighting counter cause its flame body is a 70% chance burn (thats a joke). I dont like it as much as a lot of things because murkrow is still a thing but hell it can even eat a brave bird and burn it so its good there. I dont like it, but that doesnt make it bad
Slowpoke walls a lot less than I think people realize, as far as physical fighters go. Mienfoo has buffed knock off and uturn, Scraggy has dark sub typing, pawniard is pawniard, and mega tits gets access to thunder punch. Timburr gets payback. Murkrow has Dark pulse. honedge is also a ghost. The list goes on. yeah. I honestly think Knock off pretty much killed this mon. Still its fat as fuck, has slack off and regenerator and spreads relevant statuses as if its got a job in public relations (oh look another joke So topical.), so if played well it'll stick around. defintely a B teir mon imo.
Torchic is a gimmick and I stand by that. It will carry you through the lower ladder but once you go against people who know how to deal with it, your W/L will plummet.
Drilbur has yet to really differentiate himself from the other league of outclassed spinners (hi staryu) once the defog got buffed. Vullaby is the best anti hazards in the teir atm IMO.
I have not yet to see anyone actually use Cottonee, and the ony time i used it Bri 1hko'd it in a brilliant display of me being bad
shieldon: People use this?
Mantyke: I think its all hype. I've seen some redonculus calcs for it, but have yet to really care about its existence on an oposing team. Could just be my comp but its not like I'm running a lot of mantyke hate. I thnik its just that special attackers are a lot less common than physical.
Shellder: No longer a good smasher because it lacks Sturdy. Thats really all it lost IMO. Its scarf set is no less relevant, imo. Its major issuse is all the shit that resists its non-Stabs that you want to revenge.
Honedge: All hype. "It beats meditite". So do things that actually help your team. Honedge has a garbage ability, and a garbage move pool. Access to Swords Dance and some coverage moves does not make a sweeper.
Darumaka: hustle. garbage. Preach it ashley.
Lileep: Lileep is the best tentacle mosnter in LC. suffers from typical rock type weaknesses, but has an immunity to water and walls smashers like a champ.
Didnt give where i think shit belongs cause i havent laddered long enough to really figure out what works and what just works against me. This is just my thoughts on the LC mons we're currently talkin abuot.
... yeah, I get it now. *is smart*~Rock Blast Onix can actually beat Murkrow 1v1 including sets with sub,and that's pretty big considering how Murkrow is the biggest threat to many teams
Oh, hehe. I thought you were saying "It can always KO Surskit, ignoring focus sash variants." When really you were saying "Rock blast ignores focus sash so it can KO." Tricky wording, my bad :PI just said that u can OHKO them with RB without triggering sash/sturdy ;o read my post properly pls
Just to clear this up, I wasn't necessarily advocating that; I was just pointing out that the guy was saying Onix couldn't KO surskit with a focus sash, yet the post before he'd written:
... yeah, I get it now. *is smart*
Also, in your post, do any Timburr run payback anymore? I feel like most of them are running Knock Off instead. I guess payback could help against the odd berry juice user after berry juice has been consumed, but I still feel it's a touch outclassed.
For Drillbur, I think you've got to consider the fact that Pawinard is running around to absorb defog, plus teams who attempt to stack hazards will prefer having the rapid spin + defog blocker. It's not much, but it's certainly a niche; then again, "niche" would make it C tier, even if it is the best spinner; between A and B I definitely have to opt for Drillbur in 'B'.
Lastly: Lileep can have some problems with smashers; a fair number Tirtouga are running Ice Beam to deal with slightly damaged Tangela. I'd have to see calcs against Lileep (both with and without Eviolite) to see if it actually did hard counter Tir, but I'm guessing even with eviolite ice beam'll do over 50%, especially if you're physically EV trained to deal with said smashers. I may be way off in that (I've never used Tir) but again I'd have to see calcs to know anything for sure.
Right forgot about the Tangela ban. Too recent for my lc experience lol.Tangela is banned and Ice Beam in neutral to Lileep.
+2 252+ SpA Tirtouga Ice Beam vs. 228 HP / 60 SpD Eviolite Lileep: 18-22 (69.2 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(Of course Tirt won't go max Sp.A, I wasn't sure what Sp.A it ran so I just maxed it for reference I guess)
It'll just heal right back through Giga Drain.
No Lileep is weak to ice. Rock does not resist ice. Either way, it wouldn't be worth it for Tirtouga to max it's special attack for Lileep. The problem is Dwebble, who hits lileep super-effectively with X-Scissor.Tangela is banned and Ice Beam in neutral to Lileep.
+2 252+ SpA Tirtouga Ice Beam vs. 228 HP / 60 SpD Eviolite Lileep: 18-22 (69.2 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(Of course Tirt won't go max Sp.A, I wasn't sure what Sp.A it ran so I just maxed it for reference I guess)
It'll just heal right back through Giga Drain.
No Lileep is weak to ice. Rock does not resist ice. Either way, it wouldn't be worth it for Tirtouga to max it's special attack for Lileep. The problem is Dwebble, who hits lileep super-effectively with X-Scissor.
Right forgot about the Tangela ban. Too recent for my lc experience lol.
But Ice Beam hits Lileep super effectively... it hits rock neutrally and hits grass super effectively.
If you want proof, have a bulbapedia page: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Lileep_(Pokémon)
Yeah, well I doubt people will run it now that we lost Tangela. That was really the whole purpose of Ice Beam Tirtouga (can you honestly hear anyone saying "Yes! I'm gonna run Ice Beam for Lileep!"?)Oh right. Thats one thing I always get mixed up on. Nevertheless, Tirtouga ice beam isn't reliable against lileep.