Probably a stupid question, but why exactly would fairy types force Dragons to not use Outrage? Unless I am mistaken, if a move like Outrage fails to hit, one can then switch out, so there really isn't much of a reason not to use it. IDK though, I never tried to use Thrash on a Ghost type.
Yeah, I should be more clear, my bad. I mean if you run Dragon Dance/Swords Dance, if Fairies can force Dragons to choose weaker Dragon Claw (using both on those sets is not the best idea IMO), than stall suddenly have much easier time dealing with those, as Swords Dance/Dragon Dance sets bring the highest amount of power against them when they run Outrage. With Dragon Claw is looks much easier. It won't change a thing on Choice sets (as those can afford to run both Dragon Claw and Outrage) and things like Choice Band are much easier to handle as Fairies bring that crucial Dragon immunity, so you can't just spam early/mid game Outrage (and if someone suddenly got this lucky crit with Outrage, even physically bulky steel types took heavy damage, so the risk of using Outrage even early on wasn't that high against defensive teams, especially if you used this CB Dragon just to weaken steel type for another one) and just get decent damage no matter what it is. Technically it may mean now that Outrage is technically only late-game move, already making things much easier to handle, especially on Choice sets, as no one will use Outrage early/mid game on those and while you scout their sets early on with much less risk. This is what I meant - it will force Dragon users (at least on set-up sets) to use Dragon Claw IMO. Outrage just doesn't sound as reliable, and being forced into even later late game with Outrage means that you could take more damage from hazards if stall team had good amount of phazing going on. So yeah, as long as it forces much more conservative Outrage use (sometimes this mindless DD [or SD] Outrage combo on Dragon based HO teams early on just to weaken Steel type switch-in was really damn annoying and if they had lucky crit...), stall will have easier time with dragons. And BTW I'm not sure myself if Outrage locks in if you hit immunity, so I won't comment this, but this is something that should be checked ASAP IMO.
252+ Atk Choice Band Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 165-195 (39.85 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock (105 HP, 182 Def)
252+ Atk Choice Band Kyurem-B Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 184-217 (44.44 - 52.41%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock (105 HP, 182 Def)
Keep in mind that it doesnt have recover. Theres no doubt that dragons got more checks this gen, but very few of them are reliable. Granbull is only a check for physical dragons, sylveon is only a check for special dragons (it actually loses to psychock latiwns though), whimsicott is too frail and weak to common fire coverage moves, etc. Also yeah, i dont see why outrage would stop being used. If a fairy comes in you can simply switch out.
What kind of stats you include for Avalugg ? From what I remember last time his stats were estimated for 100/180 (maybe something changed, I didn't check his most fresh stats) and it looked like this. I checked them more then once, but maybe I made some mistake (as your calcs totally surprised me), although I would swear I didn't. I included Max HP/Max Def Positive Nature EVs.
Adamant Choice Band Haxorus Outrage
34.95% - 41.20%
Choice Band Outrage Adamant Kyurem-B (Well in this case it changes absolutely nothing with SR, so whatever)
41.90%- 49.54%
This is why I said it.
EDIT: Ahhh yeah I know what kind of mistake I made. Mixed Up HP Stat with Def Stat of the same base stat number, while looking on another Pokemon (100 Base HP is not equal to the same 100 Defense Stat) in one of Smogon analysis to check how much point you have with certain number of EVs. Checked again and yeah, ur right, it looks exactly as you posted. My mistake than.
