LightWolf
lightwoof
I'm gonna have a field day with this.I disagree that there's no reason to kill the bodyguard if you control his actions. If Lightwolf knows who the inspector is, or other important power roles, RODAN will want to protect them. Lightwolf wouldn't be able to reasonably get him to NOT protect them. In order to get to the power roles, he has to get rid of the bodyguard. Also, getting rid of the bodyguard now is better than having Lightwolf be found out and then having no control over him.
Additionally, I agree with billymills about the village having 2 bodyguards. So, if RODAN was known and Legolas was not, if RODAN is left alive, and Lightwolf is found out, then Legolas can protect RODAN while RODAN protects power roles. This is a scenario where the mafia is powerless to get rid of the bodyguard without successfull randing Legolas.
I'll concede to the point about revealing cleaned villagers. I just think it's silly to continuously be told "yeah, I hit villager" time and time again and just be 'ok' with that as Lightwolf's result. You have to think there are at least 10 mafia men, and Lightwolf was aggressively collecting claims... I find it kind of suspicious that he didn't hit mafia for two nights when he likely had a number of good targets.
I'll Unvote Lightwolf because it is obvious that's not going to be our lynch today, but I would implore the village to be extremely suspicious of him if he comes up with nothing for a 3rd day, because I disagree about Lightwolf needing to give up his mafia buddies in order to seem clean. The balance in a 1v1 game is such that it's EXPECTED that the village will kill mafians every day, and the mafia will kill villagers. I would imagine that the mafia only needs to cause 3-4 mislynches in order to almost entirely wrap the game up, wolf not counted.
The first point you forget something fucking important, god I will get back to part of this later so let's focus on the problem for now. If it's about killing powerful roles RODAN may want to protect, well I'm cool with that I will just KILL THEM WHEN RODAN CAN'T PROTECT THEM, he couldn't protect the same person twice in a row. Rodan would at most delay kills in that case, it'd be a minor inconvenience. Let's not forget that I'm nearly inspector level in importance, getting RODAN to protect me at least every other night is really that farfetched? Not to mention you yourself suggest multiple power roles, out of which RODAN+Legolas could only protect two, and one of them could easily be me. Let's not forget this assumption depends on the fact that I said I wouldn't mind adding RODAN to a sheet of mine regardless of faction since his role is too obviously clean, but if I say wanted to eliminate a specific power role as much as you suggest I did, why wouldn't I say that for now he should just protect me and I will wait till his counterpart claims. Completely reasonable claim, I kill the power role you oh so imply I killed the BG for. Also you are being silly and pretend the mafia would only have a stupid kill to deal with power roles? Redirect the BG, Hook the BG, Redirect or Hook the problematic power role. You are completely ignoring tools a mafia team is likely to have to deal with troublesome factors in favour of suggesting the one that makes me look worse, but even those are silly in the first place and I feel insulted that I'm assumed to possibly make those plays in the first place!
Now onto the Legolas protecting RODAN in case I'm revealed. Hi my name is can't protect the same person twice in a row, have we met yet, oh right I remember it was just above this, good times good times. Also if I didn't have Legolas then wouldn't it be far more beneficial for me to be careful and make myself more trusted first so I can get both BGs in my bag before I start making risky plays? Well say we assume I'm being pressed for time, sadly under the circumstances that quite unlikely, since I'm claiming Gandalf. Only way that hasn't been CCed yet is if I received that as my fake claim option. Combine that with the GAZE flavour everyone seems to be nitpicking on(really if I wanted to write a gandalf fake with alliance checker I'd not choose something Sauron-y by my own accord, and Ullar can confirm I'm well versed in Sauron stuff so I'd know that he is a huge EYE) it's unlikely that if this is a fake claim it wasn't handed to me as is to claim in this exact way, ergo there should be no pressure of being revealed on me, none pressing enough to make a risky play and kill RODAN.
And now LN, seriously???????? Did you even read RODAN's Role PM? Because it doesn't sound like it, you make points painfully unaware of the can't target same target twice in a row rule clearly in his PM and reference billy's post as to why Legolas is also a BG even though it is pretty much stated in his role PM as well. Or not to mention I confirmed the fact I was indeed in contact with Legolas and my post last night was made to make Gimli not double protect me. Which also crosses off your point of me not knowing both BGs, unless I'm lying about Legolas contacting me, but if I was Legolas would be easily able to contact you at night LN and tell you what a liar I am(spoilers, that won't happen).
Oh and the last one is a great one, hmmm I wonder which claim is more suspicious from the ones I got Soldier of Gondor #4 or maybe Rohirrim #15. There are only two reasons any mafia member would ever claim anything other than those, either it was provided for them as a safe claim, or they are taking a risk to get on the sheet and I wonder who'd willingly risk moling Mr Paranoid Wolf. Naturally some confident in their ability may just still try it, but I haven't found any yet myself, that and I still had trouble keeping up the claim getting due to my laptop circumstances so I still have a good chunk of the village not having given me SHIT for claims. Either way if you are honestly reasoning that under this circumstances it's suspicious that I have no solid leads then you are underestimating how much US has done to destroy the village leader system(well all he did was basically make the majority of the game vanilla villagers, but that's pretty effective in allowing mafia to easily hide with no effort).
You unvote me yet you still keep coming up with new reasonings as to why the RODAN kill would make sense for mafia me and seemingly refuse to comment on anyone else even though you state I likely won't be lynched today AND highlight the importance of getting a lynch in each day in a 1v1 setup, basically letting the village miss this oh so important lynch. If you really believed I was mafia you wouldn't fucking unvote me without suggesting another target, especially if all you did was pile on more (ludicrous) points against me. You were basically content with just trying to discredit me a bit and set up a lynch for the next day where I likely will be again unable to provide a lynch target due to the very nature of this game that should be fairly obvious to most players just based on the existence of two types of vanillas. I mean I did consider you maybe just don't care about the game and that's where the inconsistencies and stupid accusations come from, but you clearly care too much for me not to be leading the village for that to be true.
My vote sticks on LN. Also where are the people the people complaining about aggressiveness only putting the village into disarray, here is a real example of behavior that actually leads to that.