Lumineon

[Oglemi]

I'm too lazy to calc the EVs, but I would make sure that you can outspeed Gorebyss in the rain, nothing worse than getting counterswept (24 EVs might be enough idk). At least mention the amount of Speed EVs to do this in AC.

 

[Rakan]

^keyword: lazy

xD

please don't ban me ._.

 

[Oglemi]

banned

 

[Steamroll]

I'm pretty sure 24 EVs are enough but it can't hurt to calc like Oglemi said. Beyond that with the other additions:

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[breh]

Ok, I'll start on this soon.

 

[breh]

This is up.

 

[Badal]

Same as your other analysis, expand on all the sections. They're too skimpy. Give reasons for everything, expand on the overview, write about the teammates in AC in detail, etc.

 

[breh]

I'm not sure how to expand on rain teammates, but I tried. Lumineon is very one-dimensional.

 

[Komodo]

Right then your overview needs to describe Lumineon's stats, starting with its good Speed. Its defenses aren't bad either, so you can mention it has the ability to take a hit or two. Swift Swim NEEDS to be mentioned in the overview as its the only thing that makes it worthwhile. Crack a joke or waste a few words with Lumineon's good looks or something. Say that it looks cute, but it's pretty terrible.

Add a small mention of Rain Dish Wartortle and Pelipper, they appreciate rain. You should also add that Electric-types can switch into Electric-type moves, be more specific. Zebstrika is worth a mention with Lightingrod. Honestly, there isn't a lot you can say about Lumineon, it's poor. Just add something about Wish support, recovery, teammates that can switch into its weaknesses.

Now, the Other Options are lacking quite a bit. Say something about Agility being pointless since it gets Swift Swim. Mention that it can run a physical set with Waterfall. Mention Charm being gimmicky, but funny on a cute Pokemon. Hidden Power Electric, its coverage isn't as good as grass but it hits Mantine harder. Subsitute is worth a mention as well. Soak is just gimmicky, but it's something to mention.

Checks and counters. The majority of Water-types wall Lumineon. Especially Cloud Nine Golduck as it stops Swift Swim's Speed-boosting effect. Mantine can beat it. Trace Gardevoir can steal Swift Swim and set up with Calm Mind. Regice, Dusclops, Hypno, Slowking, they're all problematic. As for checks, you should say about changing the weather as well. Lol Shedinja can beat sets without Toxic.

 

[breh]

Ok,

didn't mention RD mons, both suck, did mention Swanna though
didn't mention Zebstrika, but mentioned Raichu and Amoonguss/Miltank
didn't mention Agility (you say yourself it's pointless) or sub (has literally no purpose for a mon that sets up and switches), rest mentioned
mentioned Water-types in counters, ignored last few mons (doesn't matter if they "beat" it if they can't stop rain)

is this sufficient?

 

[Badal]

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[Overview]

<p>With the buff to Storm Drain in the 5th generation, Game Freak threw a veritable lifesaver to its two original recipients, Gastrodon and Lumineon. While Gastrodon slowly climbed up from the bottom of the barrel, Lumineon, with nearly useless stats,(comma) characterized by mediocre bulk, okayaverage Speed and terrible attacking stats,(comma) as well as an uninteresting movepool, did not benefit in the slightest as a result. It still wallows at the bottom of the NeverUsed tier, sucked into the storm drain with the trash. Lumineon is so held downNU. Lumineon is so poorly affected by its poor stats,(comma) that there is little that it can muster aside from a bland set with Rain Dance and Swift Swim. At the very least, Lumineon does outspeed a large portion of the metagame when rain is up.</p>

[SET]

name: Rain Dance
move 1: Rain Dance
move 2: Surf
move 3: Hidden Power Grass
move 4: U-turn
item: Damp Rock
Ability: Swift Swim
Nature: Modest
evs: 232 HP / 252 SpA / 24 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Lumineon's usefulness is limited to a simple Rain Dance set. Essentially, Lumineon strives to gset up weather,(comma) and switch out to a sweeper as fast as possible. Lacking Hydro Pump, Lumineon's strongest STAB move is Surf, which packs a slight punch in the rain. Optimally, Hidden Power Grass prevents Lumineon from becoming total setup fodder to any Water-type that approaches it. After Lumineon changes the weather, its usefulness is roughly equivalent to that of a bee without its stinger - therefore, U-turn allows it to do a bit of damage as it flees from its (likely stronger) opponent.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The Damp Rock lengthens the amount of time that rain lasts, which is a necessity for any serious rain team. The given effort valueEVs maximize Special Attack and addgive enough Speed forto Lumineon toso it can outspeed Choice Scarf Rotom in the rain; the rest are dumped into HP. A few more effort valueEVs can be added to Speed to outspeed Choice Scarf Jynx. Ice Beam can be used in placestead of Hidden Power Grass to hit Grass-types likesuch as Tangela, but won't do too much to them either way. Obviously, one should pair Lumineon with Pokemon that enjoy rain. Swift Swim Gorebyss and Swift Swim Armaldo,(comma) for example,;(semi-colon) both enjoy a boost in Speed that makes them far more dangerous. In rain, all Electric-types gain the ability to use a 100% accurate Thunder - something to be feared from the likes of Rotom-S. Lightningrod Raichu also warrants mention for its ability to take Electric-type moves aimed at Lumineon. Pokemon like Amoonguss and Sap Sipper Miltank that can easily switch in to Grass-type moves meant for Lumineon are also valuable teammates. Swanna is a veritable monster in rain, it is able to launch off 100% accurate Hurricanes and boosted Surfs.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>An offensive set with Life Orb and Storm Drain can be used, but is risky - after getting a boost and KOing the opposing Water-type, Lumineon is forced to clean sweep its opponent or be relegated to death fodder for the rest of the match. Even worse, a smart opponent can avoid using Water-type moves and ensure that Lumineon remains a useless fish. Toxic and Scald allow Lumineon to status its opponents, giving it a more consistent form of damage. Waterfall runs off of an equivalent attacking stat, but has lower Base Power than Surf. Charm lets Lumineon set up a teammate by weakening its opponent. Hidden Power Electric hits Mantine harder,(comma) but misses Quagsire. Soak allows Lumineon to use Toxic on any Pokemon it desires, but lacks great effectiveness.{what exactly do you mean?}</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>If anything can Taunt Lumineon before it can set up, it's fairly reliable as a counter, as a Lumineon that fails to set up rain,(comma) is a sitting duck. Anything that has higher Speed and access to Substitute,(comma) such as Calm Mind Serperior can take advantage of it and waste the turns of rain while it sets up itself - for example, Calm Mind Serperior. Although Swellow must be wary when it switches in, it outright outspeeds and OHKOes. Most Pokemon with Thunder Wave can happily spam the move until Lumineon U-turns out, meaning that they nail a sweeper as its teammate flees in terror. Jynx is faster than Lumineon outside of rain and enjoys the weather condition in general, but takes an embarrasingly large amount of damage from U-turn, meaning that one should only use it to check Lumineon. Although most Water-types can beat it, they cannot do much to stopprevent it from setting up. Mantine and Regice generally cause problems for rain teams, but must be wary of what Lumineon switches into. Golduck can either ignore the rain,(comma) or abuse it itself with Swift Swim.</p>

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[Overview]

<p>With the buff to Storm Drain in the 5th generation, Game Freak threw a veritable lifesaver to its two original recipients, Gastrodon and Lumineon. While Gastrodon slowly climbed up from the bottom of the barrel, Lumineon, with nearly useless stats, characterized by mediocre bulk, average Speed and terrible attacking stats, as well as an uninteresting movepool, did not benefit in the slightest as a result. It still wallows at the bottom of NU. Lumineon is so poorly affected by its poor stats, that there is little that it can muster aside from a bland set with Rain Dance and Swift Swim. At the very least, Lumineon does outspeed a large portion of the metagame when rain is up.</p>

[SET]

name: Rain Dance
move 1: Rain Dance
move 2: Surf
move 3: Hidden Power Grass
move 4: U-turn
item: Damp Rock
Ability: Swift Swim
Nature: Modest
evs: 232 HP / 252 SpA / 24 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Lumineon's usefulness is limited to a simple Rain Dance set. Essentially, Lumineon strives to set up weather, and switch out to a sweeper as fast as possible. Lumineon's strongest STAB move is Surf, which packs a slight punch in the rain. Hidden Power Grass prevents Lumineon from becoming total setup fodder to any Water-type that approaches it. After Lumineon changes the weather, its usefulness is roughly equivalent to that of a bee without its stinger - therefore, U-turn allows it to do a bit of damage as it flees from its (likely stronger) opponent.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The Damp Rock lengthens the amount of time that rain lasts, which is a necessity for any rain team. The given EVs maximize Special Attack and give enough Speed to Lumineon so it can outspeed Choice Scarf Rotom in the rain; the rest are dumped into HP. A few more EVs can be added to Speed to outspeed Choice Scarf Jynx. Ice Beam can be used instead of Hidden Power Grass to hit Grass-types such as Tangela, but won't do too much to them either way. Obviously, one should pair Lumineon with Pokemon that enjoy rain. Swift Swim Gorebyss and Swift Swim Armaldo; both enjoy a boost in Speed that makes them far more dangerous. In rain, all Electric-types gain the ability to use a 100% accurate Thunder - something to be feared from the likes of Rotom-S. Lightningrod Raichu also warrants mention for its ability to take Electric-type moves aimed at Lumineon. Pokemon like Amoonguss and Sap Sipper Miltank that can easily switch in to Grass-type moves meant for Lumineon are also valuable teammates. Swanna is a veritable monster in rain, it is able to launch off 100% accurate Hurricanes and boosted Surfs.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>An offensive set with Life Orb and Storm Drain can be used, but is risky - after getting a boost and KOing the opposing Water-type, Lumineon is forced to clean sweep its opponent or be relegated to death fodder for the rest of the match. Even worse, a smart opponent can avoid using Water-type moves and ensure that Lumineon remains a useless fish. Toxic and Scald allow Lumineon to status its opponents, giving it a more consistent form of damage. Waterfall runs off of an equivalent attacking stat, but has lower Base Power than Surf. Charm lets Lumineon set up a teammate by weakening its opponent. Hidden Power Electric hits Mantine harder, but misses Quagsire. Soak allows Lumineon to use Toxic on any Pokemon it desires, but lacks great effectiveness.{what exactly do you mean?}</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>If anything can Taunt Lumineon before it can set up, it's fairly reliable as a counter, as a Lumineon that fails to set up rain, is a sitting duck. Anything that has higher Speed and access to Substitute, such as Calm Mind Serperior can take advantage of it and waste the turns of rain while it sets up itself. Although Swellow must be wary when it switches in, it outright outspeeds and OHKOes. Most Pokemon with Thunder Wave can happily spam the move until Lumineon U-turns out, meaning that they nail a sweeper as its teammate flees in terror. Jynx is faster than Lumineon outside of rain and enjoys the weather condition in general, but takes an embarrassingly large amount of damage from U-turn, meaning that one should only use it to check Lumineon. Although most Water-types can beat it, they cannot do much to prevent it from setting up. Mantine and Regice generally cause problems for rain teams, but must be wary of what Lumineon switches into. Golduck can either ignore the rain, or abuse it with Swift Swim.</p>

GP 1/2

 

[breh]

ok, made a few of those changes

A lot of the ones I held out on involved putting commas/semicolons in places they shouldn't go.

For example,

"For example, Swift Swim Gorebyss and Swift Swim Armaldo both enjoy a boost in Speed..." (mine)

vs.

"Swift Swim Gorebyss and Swift Swim Armaldo; both enjoy a boost in Speed..." (yours)

"Swift Swim Gorebyss and Swift Swim Armaldo" is not a clause.

Anyway, thanks!

 

[Engineer Pikachu]

ok I'll check this!

[Overview]

<p>With the BW buff to Storm Drain in the 5th generation, Game Freak threw a veritable lifesaver to its two original recipients, Gastrodon and Lumineon. While Gastrodon slowly climbed up from the bottom of the barrel, Lumineon, with an uninteresting movepool as well as nearly useless stats characterized bycharacterized by a barren movepool, mediocre bulk, average Speed, and terrible attacking statoffenses, did not benefit in the slightest as a result. It still wallows at the bottom of the NU tier, sucked into the storm drain with the trash. Lumineon is so held down by its poor stats that there is little that it can musterdo aside from a bland set with Rain Dance and Swift Swim. At the very least, Lumineon does outspeed a large portion of the metagame when rain is up.</p>

[SET]

name: Rain Dance
move 1: Rain Dance
move 2: Surf
move 3: Hidden Power Grass
move 4: U-turn
item: Damp Rock
Aability: Swift Swim
Nnature: Modest
evs: 232 HP / 252 SpA / 24 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Lumineon's usefulness is limited to a simple Rain Dance set. Essentially, Lumineon strives to set up weather and switch out to a sweeper as fast as possible. Lumineon's strongest STAB move is Surf, which packs a slight punch in the rain. Hidden Power Grass prevents Lumineon from becoming total setup fodder to any Water-type that approaches it. After Lumineon changes the weather, its usefulness is roughly equivalent to that of a bee without its stinger - therefore,; U-turn allows it to do a bit of damage as it flees from its (likely stronger) opponent.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The Damp Rock lengthens the amount of time that rain lasts, which is a necessity for any rain team. The EV spread maximizes Special Attack and gives Lumineon just enough Speed to outspeed Choice Scarf Rotom in the rain; the rest are dumped into HP. A for added bulk; if you want to, a few more EVs can be added to Speed to outspeed Choice Scarf Jynx. Ice Beam can be used instead of Hidden Power Grass to hit Grass-types such as Tangela, but it won't do too much to them either way. Obviously, one should pair Lumineon with Pokemon that enjoywork well under rain. For example, Swift Swim Gorebyss and Swift Swim Armaldo both enjoy a boost in Speed that makes them far more dangerous. In rain, all Electric-types gain the ability to use a 100%perfectly accurate Thunder -, something to be feared from the likes of Rotom-S. Lightningrod Raichu also warrantdeserves mention for its ability to take Electric-type moves aimed at Lumineon. Pokemon such as Amoonguss and Sap Sipper Miltank that can easily switch in to Grass-type moves meant for Lumineon are also valuable teammates. Swanna is a veritable monster in rain, able to launch off 100% accurate Hurricanes and boosted Surfs.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>An offensive set with Life Orb and Storm Drain can be used, but is risky -; after getting a boost and KOing the opposing Water-type, Lumineon is forced to clean sweep its opponent or be relegated to death fodder for the rest of the match. Even worse, a smart opponent can avoid using Water-type moves and ensure that Lumineon remains a useless fish. Toxic and Scald allow Lumineon to status its opponents, giving it a more consistent form of damage. Waterfall runs off of an equivalent attacking stat, but has lower Base Power than Surf. Charm lets Lumineon set up a teammate by weakening its opponent., and Hidden Power Electric hits Mantine harder than Hidden Power Grass, but gives Lumineon nothing to do against Quagsire. Charm allows Lumineon to set up a teammate by weakening its opponent. Soak allows Lumineon to use Toxic on any Pokemon it desires - —even Steel- and Poison-types - but lacks great effectiveness.—but is fairly ineffective overall</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>If aAnything that can Taunt Lumineon before it has a chance to set up, it'ss a fairly reliable as a counter, as a Lumineon that fails to set up rain is a sitting duck. Anything that has higher Speed and Substitute, such as Calm Mind Serperior, can take advantage of Lumineon and waste the turns of rain while it sets up itself. Although Swellow must be wary when it switches in, it outrightsimply outspeeds and OHKOes. Most Pokemon with Thunder Wave can happily spam the move until Lumineon U-turns out, meaning that they nail a sweeper as its teammate flees in terror. Jynx is faster than Lumineon outside of rain and enjoys the weather condition in general, but takes an embarrassingly large amount of damage from U-turn, meaning that one should only use it only to check Lumineon. Although most Water-types can beat it, they cannot do much to prevent it from setting up. Mantine and Regice generally cause problems for rain teams, but must be wary of what Lumineon switches into. Golduck can either ignore the rain or abuse it with Swift Swim.</p>

c/p

[Overview]

<p>With the BW buff to Storm Drain, Game Freak threw a veritable lifesaver to its two original recipients, Gastrodon and Lumineon. While Gastrodon slowly climbed up from the bottom of the barrel, Lumineon, characterized by a barren movepool, mediocre bulk, average Speed, and terrible offenses, did not benefit in the slightest as a result. It still wallows at the bottom of the NU tier, sucked into the storm drain with the trash. Lumineon is so held down by its poor stats that there is little it can do aside from a bland set with Rain Dance and Swift Swim. At the very least, Lumineon does outspeed a large portion of the metagame when rain is up.</p>

[SET]
name: Rain Dance
move 1: Rain Dance
move 2: Surf
move 3: Hidden Power Grass
move 4: U-turn
item: Damp Rock
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest
evs: 232 HP / 252 SpA / 24 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Lumineon's usefulness is limited to a simple Rain Dance set. Essentially, Lumineon strives to set up weather and switch out to a sweeper as fast as possible. Lumineon's strongest STAB move is Surf, which packs a slight punch in the rain. Hidden Power Grass prevents Lumineon from becoming total setup fodder to any Water-type that approaches it. After Lumineon changes the weather, its usefulness is roughly equivalent to that of a bee without its stinger; U-turn allows it to do a bit of damage as it flees from its (likely stronger) opponent.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The Damp Rock lengthens the amount of time that rain lasts, which is a necessity for any rain team. The EV spread maximizes Special Attack and gives Lumineon just enough Speed to outspeed Choice Scarf Rotom in the rain; the rest are dumped into HP for added bulk; if you want to, a few more EVs can be added to Speed to outspeed Choice Scarf Jynx. Ice Beam can be used instead of Hidden Power Grass to hit Grass-types such as Tangela, but it won't do too much to them either way. Obviously, one should pair Lumineon with Pokemon that work well under rain. For example, Swift Swim Gorebyss and Swift Swim Armaldo both enjoy a boost in Speed that makes them far more dangerous. Electric-types gain the ability to use a perfectly accurate Thunder, something to be feared from the likes of Rotom-S. Lightningrod Raichu also deserves mention for its ability to take Electric-type moves aimed at Lumineon. Pokemon such as Amoonguss and Sap Sipper Miltank that can easily switch in to Grass-type moves meant for Lumineon are also valuable teammates. Swanna is a veritable monster in rain, able to launch off 100% accurate Hurricanes and boosted Surfs.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>An offensive set with Life Orb and Storm Drain can be used, but is risky; after getting a boost and KOing the opposing Water-type, Lumineon is forced to clean sweep its opponent or be relegated to death fodder for the rest of the match. Even worse, a smart opponent can avoid using Water-type moves and ensure that Lumineon remains a useless fish. Toxic and Scald allow Lumineon to status its opponents, giving it a more consistent form of damage. Waterfall runs off of an equivalent attacking stat, but has lower Base Power than Surf, and Hidden Power Electric hits Mantine harder than Hidden Power Grass, but gives Lumineon nothing to do against Quagsire. Charm allows Lumineon to set up a teammate by weakening its opponent. Soak allows Lumineon to use Toxic on any Pokemon it desires—even Steel- and Poison-types—but is fairly ineffective overall</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Anything that can Taunt Lumineon before it has a chance to set up is a fairly reliable counter, as a Lumineon that fails to set up rain is a sitting duck. Anything that has higher Speed and Substitute, such as Calm Mind Serperior, can take advantage of Lumineon and waste the turns of rain while it sets up itself. Although Swellow must be wary when it switches in, it simply outspeeds and OHKOes. Most Pokemon with Thunder Wave can happily spam the move until Lumineon U-turns out, meaning that they nail a sweeper as its teammate flees in terror. Jynx is faster than Lumineon outside of rain and enjoys the weather condition in general, but takes an embarrassingly large amount of damage from U-turn, meaning that one should use it only to check Lumineon. Although most Water-types can beat it, they cannot do much to prevent it from setting up. Mantine and Regice generally cause problems for rain teams, but must be wary of what Lumineon switches into. Golduck can either ignore the rain or abuse it with Swift Swim.</p>

GP [2/2]

 

[breh]

Wow, that was fast.

Anyway, I made the changes; flagging as done.

Thank you for the quick response!

 

[Komodo]

Uploading too!