How exactly would mergemons 3.0 work? Do they have the choice of either their original ability as well as the two others in the group?
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yes, thats how it would work. if you want a persuasive essay on voting for 3.0 ask Ranger Dave
Contrary:
Scizor (Superpower)
Heracross (Close Combat)
Grumpig (Overheat, Superpower)
Flygon (Draco meteor, Superpower)
Victini (oh gawd why)
Emboar (Superpower, Overheat, Leaf Storm, Hammer arm)
Scizor (Superpower)
Heracross (Close Combat)
Grumpig (Overheat, Superpower)
Flygon (Draco meteor, Superpower)
Victini (oh gawd why)
Emboar (Superpower, Overheat, Leaf Storm, Hammer arm)
if merge3 were to win would megas pass abilities(magic bounce zygarde?)
Contrary 'Tini would be quickbanned. OH GOD THAT THING IS OP
Yes, but they wouldn't get any.
Not gonna lie, the main reason I would want mergemons 3 is because Flygon would finally be able to do something. Not even in the other metas does it get anything that makes it usable so I relish this.
Flygon @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
-Superpower
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch
-Roost/Drain Punch
OR
Flygon @ Lifeorb
Ability: Contrary
Draco Meteor
Earthpower
Boomburst
Giga Drain
Flygon @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
-Superpower
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch
-Roost/Drain Punch
OR
Flygon @ Lifeorb
Ability: Contrary
Draco Meteor
Earthpower
Boomburst
Giga Drain
Belly Drum is +10 Attack stages, actually. Not sure why Showdown's code works differently from that -I'm not seeing any source, Googling, that suggests anything else, and have even found a reference to Contrary causing Belly Drum to reverse and drop you to -6.
Mergemons 3.0 sounds interesting. Crazy, but interesting.
As it turns out, you are indeed correct. Belly Drum is +12 stages though. From Bulbapedia:
"Belly Drum fails if the user's current HP is less than half its maximum, or if the user's Attack is already at +6 (even if the user has Contrary).
If the user has Contrary, its Attack will be lowered to -6 stages (although the message will still say that the user maximized its Attack); even if the user's Attack is already at -6 stages, Belly Drum will deduct HP."
I wouldn't be surprised if it's changed over the generations, but back in Gen II I had a guide that said +10 (And it was a good guide, with all kinds of information not readily discovered in normal play), and because I'm the kind of person who does this crap, I went and did a match in Stadium 2 to test it by lowering a Belly Drummer's Attack until I got the "no effect" message, Belly Drummed, and then had it boost its Attack again -and it worked. (Further boosting failed, though I forget whether I Belly Drummed twice or had another Attack boosting move to test with. I used Leftovers to provide the HP, anyway) I've assumed it hasn't changed, because frankly nobody bothers to check -it's normal to be hit with an Intimidate prior to a Belly Drum, so it's easy in standard play to see that, yes, it's more than +6, but nobody is going to stay in on Attack downs until they're at -6 and then Belly Drum, except to manually test this stuff.
Imposter Vaporeon/lapras(130 base hp on both)
Set up now i dare you
Speed boost- Swampert
The pain the choice banded pain
speed boost sceptile
the pain the choice speced pain
Slaking-Speed boost(this is op)-toxic heal(also op)
it get's swords dance baton pass it is freaking slaking with an ability that is good
make an ubers teir and this thing will be the king. undisuted god of ubers
regigas levitate/Flashfire
Less broken then speed boost slaking still god like
Weak armor archeops
meat something that can use weak armor and can now spam head smash
wonder gaurd exploud
High yall i have one weakness and am gonna kill you all with my 140 bp stab
huge power aggron
ok but possibly not broken
speed boost/sheerfoce wailord
Feal the power of my specs water spout
multitype?
tough claws/arilate Slemence salemence
Perhaps it may be useful but far from broken(my god this is going to fun)
drizzle latios(thunder+surf) my god this is a wall breaking god
adaptability mamoswine/gallade
Mamoswine has some serios power behind choice band ice shard- gallade may be usable with out a mega stone
Levitate dialga--one weakness tons of resists
Technicly an uber but still fun
Simple exadrill
meat the wall breaker of gods
shadowtag reunaclis
this may be broken but i doubt it
regenerator jellicent
usefull
regenerator galvantula
potential stickyweb seter
download cesnaught
I just put it their becuase i could
huge power talon/ninja
ow that hurts
gale wings vivillon(special priority)
only good flying type move is hurricane still fun
furcoat pangoru
i have bulk and can run assult vest
mega launcher dragalage
less power than nomal gets a spamable dragon attack(not worth it
adaptabilty barbacle
this thing is going to wreck
prankster goodra
Acid armor is the main use
Shadow tag unkown op
Lay down the Ban hammer Speed boost slaking has nothing on this
regenerator celibi
fun and oh god the longevity
pure power manectric
deacent but has low attack and bad physical move pool
adaptabilty garchomp
run for the hills
Snow warning/sturdy wevile
Sturdy can now ease set up and run something else
Speedboost togekiss
handleable not fun to play against
poison heal glaceon
meh
poisonheal mamoswine
ill be wallin and stallin
magnet pull dusknoir(line)/Galade
Kill all the steels
Shear force kyreum-b
Run for the hills far away
Noguard alakazam
Focus miss begone
shadow tag cloyster
maybe
flash fire Skarmory
remove aweakness(ultimate zard x wall)
tough claws metagross-usable again
Regenerator ryperior
usable
Set up now i dare you
Speed boost- Swampert
The pain the choice banded pain
speed boost sceptile
the pain the choice speced pain
Slaking-Speed boost(this is op)-toxic heal(also op)
it get's swords dance baton pass it is freaking slaking with an ability that is good
make an ubers teir and this thing will be the king. undisuted god of ubers
regigas levitate/Flashfire
Less broken then speed boost slaking still god like
Weak armor archeops
meat something that can use weak armor and can now spam head smash
wonder gaurd exploud
High yall i have one weakness and am gonna kill you all with my 140 bp stab
huge power aggron
ok but possibly not broken
speed boost/sheerfoce wailord
Feal the power of my specs water spout
multitype?
tough claws/arilate Slemence salemence
Perhaps it may be useful but far from broken(my god this is going to fun)
drizzle latios(thunder+surf) my god this is a wall breaking god
adaptability mamoswine/gallade
Mamoswine has some serios power behind choice band ice shard- gallade may be usable with out a mega stone
Levitate dialga--one weakness tons of resists
Technicly an uber but still fun
Simple exadrill
meat the wall breaker of gods
shadowtag reunaclis
this may be broken but i doubt it
regenerator jellicent
usefull
regenerator galvantula
potential stickyweb seter
download cesnaught
I just put it their becuase i could
huge power talon/ninja
ow that hurts
gale wings vivillon(special priority)
only good flying type move is hurricane still fun
furcoat pangoru
i have bulk and can run assult vest
mega launcher dragalage
less power than nomal gets a spamable dragon attack(not worth it
adaptabilty barbacle
this thing is going to wreck
prankster goodra
Acid armor is the main use
Shadow tag unkown op
Lay down the Ban hammer Speed boost slaking has nothing on this
regenerator celibi
fun and oh god the longevity
pure power manectric
deacent but has low attack and bad physical move pool
adaptabilty garchomp
run for the hills
Snow warning/sturdy wevile
Sturdy can now ease set up and run something else
Speedboost togekiss
handleable not fun to play against
poison heal glaceon
meh
poisonheal mamoswine
ill be wallin and stallin
magnet pull dusknoir(line)/Galade
Kill all the steels
Shear force kyreum-b
Run for the hills far away
Noguard alakazam
Focus miss begone
shadow tag cloyster
maybe
flash fire Skarmory
remove aweakness(ultimate zard x wall)
tough claws metagross-usable again
Regenerator ryperior
usable
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keep in mind his base attack is 75 that's doubled by pure power also medicham gave him a couple more moves both physical and special
something else i forgot to mention is that bellossom gets huge power as well normally you would think this would suck until you find the fact that it has base 80 attack doubled by huge power plus some really good physical moves to abuse as well
I should mention megas don't give abilities to their base forms the same way that samurott doesn't give oshawott megahorn. so no aerilate salamence for you. at least I assume
we'd also have to pass moves from FE to prevo(which we don't currently do) so you'd have to convince sims
Flare Boost != Flash Fire.
Flare Boost = 1.5x Special Attack while Burned.
Flash Fire = immunity to Fire-type moves, and boosts power of own Fire-type moves by 1.5x when hit by one.
Slaking and Gigas can't merge Abilities. Neither can Archeops.
If Merge Mania is approved, how would pre-evo abilities work? I.e. Blastoise merges with Charizard and Butterfree, will it also be able to gain Shield Dust from Caterpie or Shed Skin from Metapod? Also, would Pokémon be able to gain abilities from other members of their line i.e. regular Gyarados with Swift Swim or Mold Breaker?
I'm also assuming the usual quickbans of Imposter, Huge Power and Pure Power from merging, unless you want to deal with Imposter Vaporeon, Huge Power Aggron or even Talonflame.
I'm also assuming the usual quickbans of Imposter, Huge Power and Pure Power from merging, unless you want to deal with Imposter Vaporeon, Huge Power Aggron or even Talonflame.
No, prevo abilities don't work.
Imposter is banned, but I have a special clause for HP and PP (plus Fur Coat and Parental Bond.)
HP and PP aren't allowed on anything with a base Attack over 80.
FC isn't allowed on anything with a base Defense over 80.
PB isn't allowed on anything with either attacking stat over 80.
That means HP Bellossom and PP Manectric are legal, but not HP Talonflame or PP Aggron.
Also, anyone thinking of running Contrary Victini would be out of luck. COME ON AND SLAM, AND WELCOME TO THE BANNED
ofc wonder guard isnt legal, right?
ofc it isn't
Another announcement:
MELOETTA-PIROUETTE IS BANNED IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANY ATTACK-RAISING MOVE.
This means you cannot use Shift Gear Melo-P or Swords Dance Melo-P.
E-Speed Melo-P is still legal, however.
Discuss.
(In come the wtfs.)
I will provide an explanation when asked for one.
Edit: To lighten things up, here's some nicknaming genius. (This is a link btw)
Second edit: I compiled a list of Shift Gear Meloetta-Pirouette counters/checks.
MELOETTA-PIROUETTE IS BANNED IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANY ATTACK-RAISING MOVE.
This means you cannot use Shift Gear Melo-P or Swords Dance Melo-P.
E-Speed Melo-P is still legal, however.
Discuss.
(In come the wtfs.)
I will provide an explanation when asked for one.
Edit: To lighten things up, here's some nicknaming genius. (This is a link btw)
Second edit: I compiled a list of Shift Gear Meloetta-Pirouette counters/checks.
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