My point wasn't really technician, just that Scizor is one of many that end up having really strong priority moves, with little to no consequences. A 80 base-power move with priority comming off a +2 Scizor is scarry. And that is, if you're not satidfied, you can go on and makethat a 120 with another Swords Dance
But now Azumarill and Cloyster are nearly useless anyway and might as well have been banned and like 50 other mons have been hurt in the process. Cloyster's best boosting option is now Iron Defense (lol) and none of its useful Sub60 BP moves gain a boost now that priority and multi-hit got nerfed so it doesn't matter anyway, nor can it even run it's main standard OU gimmick, since Shell Smash is banned. Azumarill's boosting options now are Amnesia and Power Up Punch, though aside from Aqua Jet, it has no Sub60 BP physical STAB moves, at all.
Then let them be top threats. Other than Minior, Cloyster is the fastest Shell Smash user, followed by Barbaracle and Dwebble who have other drawbacks Cloyster doesn't (Dwebble's drawback being that... it's dwebble). Whereas a lot of other Shell Smash users lack priority or still lag in power comparatively.
No Priority or Multi-Hit move will get the boost, that has been mentioned.
I have already made it so that Priority or Multi-Hit moves do not get the boost. Also Charge Beam has 70BP making it so that it doesn't get boosted.In what way is Cloyster not stupidly broken in this? After a Shell Smash, each hit of Icicle Spear has a ridiculous 145 BP, letting it potentially OHKO even Max HP/Max Defense Heatran after Stealth Rocks damage. Scarf users that might outrun? Turned into putty by a 160 BP Ice Shard. Excadrill in sand? OHKO'd by Ice Shard. Scarf Kartana? OHKO'd by Ice Shard. Max attack technician CHOICE BAND Scizor's Bullet Punch doesn't OHKO Cloyster either, even after the defense drop from Shell Smash, while Icicle Spear OHKO's any possible Scizor variant, even Max Defense Mega Scizor.
Even Mega Slowbro, one of the bulkiest resists to Icicle Spear in the game, is OHKO'd.
Also, why is Kang unbanned and why is Technician banned? Tech would stop working after the moves have accumulated boosts so it's not exactly much better than in standard, whereas Kangaskhan is more broken than ever, since power-up-punch's boosts are even more effective than in the past.
So anyway, while multi-hit moves may prove to be a problem, Cloyster specifically needs to be quickbanned due to the combination of Skill Link, Multi-hit moves and most importantly, a +6 boosting move. Mega-kang probably shouldn't be sticking around either, but it's not quite as pressing.
Anyway, some other scary stuff:
Up to this point Mimikyu required a combination of Shadow Sneak and Shadow Claw to get the job done, as the former simply didn't carry enough power behind it to break through many common threats. Now however, Mimikyu can run Z-Splash to bring Shadow Sneak's power up to a devastating 100BP at +3 Attack, while running having an extra slot in it's moveset for coverage. Near guaranteed set-up opportunities assure that Mimikyu is worth looking out for.
Z-Conversion is straight up absurd, but wait, only 60 BP moves are affected by this meta, so how threatening can it be? Pretty threatening, as Porygon-Z can convert into Electric and proceed to ruin your day with a 150 BP Charge Beam now backed with Adaptability STAB, bringing it's BP to 300 and due to the nature of charge beam, 340 the next turn, 380 the next, so on and so on until your team is dust. Running either scarf or ground types will be essential to taking GonZ out, as it's capable of 2HKOing even Eviolite Chansey after Z-Conversion.
charge beam has 50 bp
Yep, I'e banned those
Oh sorry, my bad. I was confusing it with the 70% chance to raise special attack.
Maybe Endeavor should be banned too, for the reason mentioned aboveHey this is just a dumb idea I had. I'm not sure if this has been done before but someone can steal it idc I love team building metagames like G&F. Lot more options generally.
Stat Sum
Premise: All Pokemon share the sum of each other's stats, including HP. Whoever drops another team's HP to 0 first wins.
EX: A team with 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350 atk respectively with have each mons with 1350 atk.
Ban List & Clauses: Standard OU Banlist & Clause, Huge Power, Pure Power, Belly Drum, Strength Sap
Potential Bans: Smeargle, Simple, Contrary, Guts, Flare Boost, Eviolite
Potential Clause: Limit Clause, or any stat limits in the actual game is removed. I want massive stat totals compounded by abilities and boosts. These are teams with 2600 atk, 3000 def, and even more HP.
Pokemon with absurdly high stats. These guys pump stats into teams with very little downside as they just sit in the back minding their own business. Some of these, like Hoopa-U, even give teams an advantage as they have an additional attacker.
Pokemon with absurd movepools. Smeargle is the poster child for this issue since it can use almost any move in the game. The only downside is its sub-par stats. This can be seen in other Pokemon as well, as Kecleon as an amazing movepool as well but sub-par stats in comparison to other attackers.
Pokemon with absurd abilities. Some Pokemon like Serperior are balanced by their mediocre stats. However, if they're pumped up with Pokemon like Hoopa and Xurkitree, it could turn into a major threat hitting hard and then hitting harder.
Q&A
Why would I ever switch if everyone has the same stats?
Typing, Movepool, and Abilities still vary between each member. If you're a Magnezone facing a Landorus, then switch.
How would HP manipulation such as recovery work? Wouldn't recovering 50% of a massive HP pool be overpowered?
Yes, it would be. That why that it's proportional of that Pokemon's contribution to the total HP. If you're Pokemon contributes 150 HP of the 700 total HP, then using Recover would heal 75/700 since 150/2=75. Same thing with Leech Seed.
Do stat-boosting moves and items work that way?
No, that would make stat-boosting moves incredibly weak. They work on the total stat. HP is the exception.
How would form changes, mega evolution, etc. work?
They change the total stat in however much they changed. If a form change gives +30 to atk and -30 to spa, then the total atk gets +30 and the total spa gets -30. There's only 1 in-battle form change that manipulates HP as far as I'm aware of and Zygarde-C is banned so I'm not worrying about that.
How would items, abilities, anything that is triggered by HP % work?
They trigger by the % of the total HP. Wishi-Washi won't transform until the total HP gets down to 25% and Super-Situs won't either (but it still only recovers based on the Pokemon that's holding it). Glutton and the such would change it respectively.
Why is Belly Drum banned?
Because it's an edge case. If it played to the standard HP manipulation rules, it would be busted especially on Pokemon with very low HP. If it didn't, then that would be an exception that would not only give anyone who tries to code it a complete headache but would be completely useless in every way. That's why it's just banned b/c nobody would want to deal with it. Curse isn't banned as it cuts your opponent's HP by 25% so it falls under HP manipulation.
Why is Strength Sap banned?
Because it isn't based on a %. It's directly equal to the opponent's attack. These are teams with ridiculous stats with similar numerical values to HP if not a little less. The problem is that HP has a much higher impact in this game.
Thank you for your advice and opinion, I will definitely take it into consideration.
I understand what you mean. But this is broke, and I hope you like broke XD.
Shouldn't Focus sash just be banned ? Like you just need to be slower and to kill the pokemon after you took the hit with the sash like in Example 1 :/Pain SplitterWelcome to Pain Splitter, an OM where the move Pain Split is taken to a whole new level! In this OM, the move Pain Split will be used after a Pokemon is hit by a move that is not resisted or immuned by the opposing Pokemon. If you do not know what the move Pain Split does, click me to find out! If you still don't understand, I have a couple of examples to help you out.
Example 1: You have a Chandelure, which is battling against a Leafeon. Chandelure uses Flamethrower, which is boosted by STAB and is super-effective. Naturally, the hit will do a lot of damage, but Leafeon survives because it is holding a Focus Sash. Since Leafeon did not resist the move and wasn't immune to it either, the move Pain Split will be used immediately, even before Leafeon has a chance to move. Supposing Charizard had 261 HP, their HP is shared and each Pokemon has 132 HP. Leafeon uses Knock Off and Chandelure is KO'd since it only had about 50% of it's health left, the damage was boosted because Chandelure had an item, and it was super-effective. Because Chandelure is KO'd, the move Pain Split is not used. It will never be used on a turn when a Pokemon manages to KO another.
Example 2: You have a Medicham-Mega battling against an Electivire. You switch out into Drifblim as the opposing Electivire uses Wild Charge. Drifblim survives using it's huge HP bulk but only by 30 HP. Since the hit wasn't resisted or immuned, Pain Split is used and if this Electivire had 252 EVs in HP and 354 altogether, both Pokemon will have 192 HP. Next turn, Electivire uses Wild Charge again, this time KOing Drifblim so Pain Split doesn't activate. However, Drifblim's ability Aftermath does activate and Electivire loses an additional 89 HP.
Q&A
Q: How many times can the move Pain Split be activated in a single turn?
A: It will activate as many times as a Pokemon is hit by a move that it does not resist or isn't immune to. It will even apply to multi-hit moves, it will apply after every single hit.
Q: Will the Pain Split activate if one Pokemon is behind a Substitute?
A: And the damage/healing it will receive will ignore the Substitute.
Q: What about status moves, do they count as super-effective?
A: No, so even if you use Toxic on a Whimsicott, Pain Split will not activate.
Q: What about moves like Seismic Toss and Night Shade which do the same damage regardless of typing or defenses.
A: Moves like those are counted as neutral, so Pain Split will activate.
Q: Is this playable?
A: No, but I will ask Urkerab (the coder who created the ROM server) to code this.
Q: Have you made any other OM's which have been coded?
A: Yes, I have made an OM called Stored Trip which, thanks to Urkerab, is playable on ROM
Link to Pokemon Showdown: play.pokemonshowdown.com
Link to ROM: rom.psim.us
I understand what you mean, but if it's ok with you, I would like to see what other strategies people can come up with to counter it. This way, the community's skills can be tested, other people can give their ideas on it and I don't need to ban something right off the bat. Thank you for your opinion though. Have a nice day!
Metagame premise: Players will be able to further any one mon’s potential by increasing each stat based on its nature and team placement.
So let’s say Mew's nature is Serious (neutral), it would receive +10 to every stat resulting in: 110/110/110/110/110/110 stats. If it was Timid(+Speed, -Attack) rather, then it would look something more like: 110/100/110/110/110/120.
For team placement, every slot gives an additional boost. The order would follow directly in line with the base stats. So if Timid Mew is first in the party, then its HP stat becomes 120. If it was the six member on the team, then its speed becomes 130.
Potential bans and threats: Huge + Pure Power, Regenerator
Questions for the community: What about the boosts? Would you prefer OU based or throw some Ubers in? Any other directions to consider trying with this? Like allowing the mon use non-native moves and/or abilities?
Thank you SadisticMystic! I want to avoid near-broken components like that, I'll add to the non-native lists. Also I made a huge mistake; I didn't mention before but these infected mons would only be able to use non-native moves of their typing(s); so Blissey shouldn't be able to learn Final Gambit because it's a
And thanks PsyKick Medicham! Here's a screenshot below:
Huge+Pure Power sounds broken (Mega Mawile/Azumarill can OHKO almost any non-resist with Sucker Punch/Aqua Jet after a Swords Dance/Belly Drum, while Mega Medicham demolishes even fighting resists with High Jump Kick without needing a boost).
Is it? I see normalize as the opposite of -ate abilities (instead of turning a normal move into another typing, you turn all types into normal). I think including it would be like a pokemon receiving both Light Metal and Heavy Metal.
