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Might as well remove Mence from Shoddy, Tracks Mence and Chomp from the start

Discussion in 'Stark Mountain' started by nygerman, Jul 16, 2010.

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  1. nygerman

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    Mence will not in anyway fit into uber. I have put a theory based on previous shoddy stastics. Somebody had to do this


    Here are some Shoddy Stastics:

    August 2008, the last month of Chomp
    Garchomp Standard Usage:1 Uber Usage:16
    Salamence Standard Usage:11



    September 2008, one month after Chomp
    Garchomp Uber: 14
    Salamence Standard:3



    October 2008(Platinum Moves), two month after Chomp
    No changes


    November 2008
    Chomp Uber: 17
    Mence stays same as
    Scizor passes Heatran and Gengar drops from 2 to 10

    December 2008
    Chomp Uber:14

    January 2009
    Chomp Uber: 12
    Mence: 2, 0.03 difference from Scizor

    February 2009
    Chomp: 14
    Mence:2

    Brief Summary: Garchomp turning uber only affected the OU tier as before the ban, Chomp was used just as much. Salamence went from 10 to 3 immediately after Garchomp was banned, proving that Garchomp outclasses Mence in a way. My theory is that Garchomp's higher base speed, bulk, typing, and stab attacks had something to do with this. After Scizor entered OU, Mence moved to 3. Chomp hasn't changed much, always returning to 14.


    March 2009
    Chomp:13

    April 2009
    Chomp:10

    May 2009
    Same

    June 2009
    Chomp:11

    July 2009
    Chomp: 12

    August 2009
    Chomp: 13

    September 2009
    Chomp: 14(back to the old spot)

    October 2009
    Mence:5
    Chomp: 16

    November 2009
    Mence:2
    Chomp: 17

    December 2009
    Mence:2

    Chomp: 13
    Chomp's usuge isn't stable. Let's just say it's not top usuges. Mence is stationed at 2 although Latias and Rotom-A is just a little behind

    June 2010, Mences last days
    Mence: 2 Uber: 26
    Chomp: 13
    Hasn't changed a lot in the past 6 months. Mence in uber has gone from the forties and thirties to the twenties.


    Conclusion: Mence's ban won't affect Ubers much. You guys predicting Mence's role in ubers don't realize that a ban in OU won't affect ubers. Garchomp moved 3 ranks and that's just because shoddy was just starting. Mence despite what Smogon analysis say, is outclassed by Raquaza. 5 base speed is made up by extremespeed, strong attacks, bulkiness and better movepool. Mence recently at 4.74% in ubers is comparable to a pokemon in OU. Tentacruel, 4.56% in OU. Now when was the last time you seen one of them.
  2. Despotar

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    He already is going to be banned....
    Also, usage in ubers doesn't matter. It's really just a ban tier for OU. (haters going to hate)
  3. Ivysaur

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    Like Despotar has already said, usage in Ubers doesn't matter. Neither does viability. Ubers isn't a "tier" per say, it's just a banlist from the Standard OU tier. It isn't meant to be balanced in any way.

    Just because Mence is outclassed by Quaza in Ubers, doesn't mean no one will use him. I'm pretty sure he's meant to be a wallbreaking partner for Quaza, since they play in very similar ways. They're meant to be used as partners to break the opponents core.

    And anyway, if you're really this bitter about Mence leaving OU, you can take up Ubers.
  4. Mario With Lasers

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    Garchomp rules in Ubers, and Salamence fares well when paired up with Rayquaza. Regardless, you should know by now the Uber metagame does not matter when we ban or unban something from or to OU.


    So, you suck. Sorry.
  5. greg3064

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    I agree, Wynaut too should just be removed from Shoddy since no one will use it over Wobbuffet.

    Kidding. But yes, Salamence's ban doesn't mean it has to work in Ubers, just that it doesn't work in OU. Also, some people will use Salamence, even if it does seem outclassed.
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    Mence won't be removed from shoddy because it is still a Pokemon.

    No Pokemon will be removed because they aren't used.

    If you want to discuss Salamence in Ubers, then a thread in the Ubers Subforum would be best (after approved by that forums staff)
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