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Discussion in 'Global Battle Union' started by Redtype, Aug 22, 2011.

  1. Redtype


    Aug 17, 2009
    Hello, this is my first thread on Dragonspiral Tower, I hope I've done everything well. Here we are going to discuss Moltres, the Flame Pokemon.


    Fire / Flying

    90 HP / 100 Atk / 90 Def / 125 SpAtk / 85 SpDef / 90 Spe

    Pressure (Enemy attacks lose one extra PP)
    DW Ability: Flame Body (30% chance to burn Pokemon using contact moves on this Pokemon)

    Level Up (open)
    Start Wing Attack
    Start Ember
    8 Fire Spin
    15 Agility
    22 Endure
    29 AncientPower
    36 Flamethrower
    43 Safeguard
    50 Air Slash
    57 Roost
    64 Heat Wave
    71 SolarBeam
    78 Sky Attack
    85 Sunny Day

    TM/HM (open)
    TM05 Roar
    TM06 Toxic
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM11 Sunny Day
    TM15 Hyper Beam
    TM17 Protect
    TM18 Rain Dance
    TM20 Safeguard
    TM21 Frustration
    TM22 SolarBeam
    TM27 Return
    TM32 Double Team
    TM35 Flamethrower
    TM37 Sandstorm
    TM38 Fire Blast
    TM40 Aerial Ace
    TM42 Facade
    TM43 Flame Charge
    TM44 Rest
    TM48 Round
    TM50 Overheat
    TM58 Sky Drop
    TM59 Incinerate
    TM61 Will-O-Wisp
    TM68 Giga Impact
    TM87 Swagger
    TM88 Pluck
    TM89 U-turn
    TM90 Substitute
    TM94 Rock Smash
    HM02 Fly

    Move Tutor (open)
    Sky Attack
    Sleep Talk
    Air Cutter
    Heat Wave
    Ominous Wind

    Now, Moltres might not be tearing stuff apart like some of the more overused Pokemon, but it has a few quirks that make it worth considering for your Random Match-up team:

    • lack of Stealth Rock in the GBU Metagame means that Moltres can come in for free without worrying about a bunch of levitating rocks cutting its health in half. This is a huge boost for its tanking abilities, as Moltres does have an useful typing and good movepool.
    • checks Blaziken without Stone Edge and various other threats, like Infernape, Scizor, Lucario, Heatran, Breloom, Volcarona (without HP Rock) and most Gliscor. It also makes a great counter for Sun teams, with Flamethrower and Hidden Power Ground hitting everything for good damage. Roost keeps Moltres healthy so it doesn't get worn over the course of the battle.
    • with 125 base Sp.Atk and strong STABs, Moltres is also pretty potent offensive powerhouse
    Possible sets:

    Life Orb Attacker

    Moltres @ Life Orb
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 60 HP / 252 SAtk / 196 Spd or 100 HP / 252 SAtk / 156 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) / Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Flamethrower / Fire Blast
    - Hidden Power [Grass]
    - Air Slash
    - Roost

    • A basic attacking set that also doubles as a check to the threats mentioned above.
    • Flamethrower vs Fire Blast is the standard choice between Accuracy and Power.
    • Hidden Power Grass was chosen for super effective coverage on Gastrodon, Quagsire and Rotom-W, but various other types like Ground (Heatran, other Fires) and Ice (Dragons, Gliscor) are also viable.
    • Roost should be used whenever possible, otherwise Moltres might not be able to survive the repeated onslaughts of Pokemon it was supposed to beat.
    • Moltres is pretty deadweight against Rain and Sand teams, so Pokemon that deal with both or either of them are the recommended parters - examples include Gastrodon, Quagsire, Virizion, Ferrothorn, Breloom and Lati@s.
    • The first EV spread should be used with a Modest nature - with the given Speed EVs, Moltres easily outspeeds Jolly Breloom, allowing you to score a KO with a Fire move or Air Slash before it launches its Spore or Stone Edge. The second spread, when used with a Timid nature, gets a jump on Adamant Lucario, which again saves our mighty phoenix from being ripped to pieces by a Stone Edge.


    Moltres @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 238 Def / 20 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Flamethrower
    - Air Slash
    - Toxic
    - Roost

    • A more defensive approach to Moltres.
    • Good counter to fighting types in general, as most of them forgo Stone Edge for Ice Punch these days (thanks Gliscor!). The strongest Fighting type in the meta - Adamant LO Blaziken - can only muster a 4HKO with Hi Jump Kick, while a boosted one deals about 65% before falling to an Air Slash.
    • 20 SpA allows Moltres to always OHKO aforementioned Blaziken with Air Slash after one turn of LO damage
    • Toxic + Roost + Pressure can stall many Pokemon by itself
    • Substitute can be used instead of Air Slash, forming the famous SubRoost stalling set, but keep in mind that you will lose your ability to counter Blaziken
    • same partners as for the previous set
    Revenge Killer / Lead

    Moltres @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Fire Blast
    - Air Slash
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - U-turn

    • Great revenge killer, good lead, decent scout
    • Hidden Power Ice revenge kills +1 Dragonite after Multiscale is broken, so its the primary Hidden Power for this set. If you are having a Rotom-W/Gastrodon problems, Hidden Power Grass is also perfectly usable.
    • Fire Blast should be used for pure power. Flamethrower is a bit too weak without a boosting nature and/or Life Orb.
    • you can hax your way with Air Slash if you're lucky
    • U-Turn scouts

    That's it. I have personally tested only the first of the listed sets, so if you have any suggestions (especially for Doubles, Triples and Rotations), feel free to post!

    (move lists are courtesy of Bulbapedia)
  2. Redtype


    Aug 17, 2009
    Added descriptions for the sets. Any suggestions?
  3. Banryu


    Feb 26, 2009
    Maybe slash Substitute with Air Slash and/or Flamethrower on the Tank set, Sub can assist with Pressure stalling a lot. I know most people would prefer to have Flamethrower as the mono-attack on the set, but it's worth noting that nothing is immune to Air Slash (Heatran walls Toxic + Flamethrower).

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