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Oh Hail, Naw - Hail Semi-Stall - Currently #10

Discussion in 'BW Other Teams' started by Kitten Milk, Apr 21, 2013.

  1. Kitten Milk

    Kitten Milk

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    Welcome!
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    Have a drink. Maybe two. Stay awhile.

    You'll need to, because this RMT will be the longest, most detailed RMT I've ever done (cue dramatic music). This team took me over a month to make, test, refine, test, switch out, test, rage, test, and repeat, so there's bound to be a lot to read. I'm organizing it into sections for your viewing pleasure, so if you don't want to read me blather on about the team-building process, you can just read about the team, drop a rate or a luvdisc, and be on your way.
    Without further ado...

    Proof:
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    This iteration of the team peaked at #16. After hundreds of adjustments and team changes, I finally caved in and decided to do what I like to do with a lot of my teams - to use them for 100 battles, set myself a goal for win/loss, and go from there. For this specific team, I set myself the lofty goal of 85 wins and 15 losses. And I ended up with..... 84 wins and 16 losses. (-.-) Anyway, here's the proof of the peak, at around battle 85 or so.

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    After some work with another alt, Pory Gone Too?, I reached a new peak at rank 10, where I am currently. Here's the proof.
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    Teambuilding Process:
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    By far out of any of my teams, this one took the longest to refine and make better, and I went through multiple changes. Honestly, I'll probably not remember them all, but here's the best I can do.

    I wanted to make a hail team, so I had two choices for hail starters. Snover and Abomasnow both had their meri...(just kidding). So obviously, my team needed an Abomasnow. That much was pretty easy.
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    Something I'd always wanted to try out, and finally felt evil enough to use it without feeling utterly shameful, was Stallrein, so I slapped one in there as well.
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    I added a Qwilfish as the other staple of a hail team, absorbing physical fire and fighting moves with ease and spiking away.
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    Next, I decided to add Life Orb Rhyperior, for Rocks as well as a strong offensive presence.
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    I added an offensive Froslass to the mix to make up for the lack of speed on my team.
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    Finally, I put a Trick Sableye on my team because I foresaw a weakness against scarfers like Chandelure and I wanted to be able to cripple them with Lagging Tail.
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    So, there I had it. I had my six pokes, and I started testing. The team did....okay, so I decided to fiddle around with it "a little".

    Switched Froslass for Special Victini for more coverage, more power, and less Fire weakness.
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    Switched Rhyperior for Sharpedo. I wish I knew why.
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    Switched Rhyperior back to Sharpedo and exchanged Sableye with Snorlax to take on Chandelure better.
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    Switched Snorlax back to Sableye and Victini to Chandelure to take on Chandelure better. (noticing a trend yet?)
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    Switched Chandelure to Houndoom to, you guess it, take on Chandelure better.
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    Now, by this time, I think you get the point, so I'm just going to run through a quick sequence of things I changed to fucking take on Chandelure better. At the moment, once Houndoom was down, I was just screwed.

    [pimg]469[/pimg] > [pimg]485[/pimg] > [pimg]143[/pimg] > [pimg]197[/pimg] > [pimg]145[/pimg] > [pimg]144[/pimg](LOL) > [pimg]668[/pimg] > [pimg]398[/pimg]

    I liked Empoleon. He covered my Chandelure weakness nicely, and if I led with him and Chandy wasn't the lead, I could set up rocks and just stall the stupid thing out. At this point, I didn't really like Houndoom, so...

    [pimg]229[/pimg] > [pimg]522[/pimg] > [pimg]487[/pimg] > [pimg]501[/pimg]

    Rotom-F was good. It gave me some much needed speed with a choice scarf, as well as helped keep up the momentum.

    So, finally, I had my final team. (Please note that at least 200 move changes were made throughout this, but I'll cover all the moves in the next section. I omitted the move changes for the pure purpose of worrying I'd run out of internet to write on.)

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    Team Overview and Analysis
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    Pure Ice (Abomasnow) @ Leftovers - 252 HP/ 252 SpA/ 4 Spe
    Effect Spore (loljk Snow Warning imsofunny)
    Modest Nature
    - Giga Drain
    - Ice Shard
    - Blizzard
    - Leech Seed
    Abomasnow has long been ridiculed and stereotyped as "that thing that puts up hail and then dies". I first ran a scarfed Abomasnow on this team, and all though the surprise factor killing Nidos and stuff was nice, I really didn't like being locked into a move with Abomasnow. I took the middle ground, and kept his SpA EVs. He is still a fairly bulky pokemon, and can take hits if needed. However, no one expects him to be running max SpA, which is ridiculously useful. The most obvious and common example of this is against Roserade. Abomasnow can survive a Sludge Bomb from all but the most Life Orby Max SpA Modest of Life Orby Max SpA Roserade, and a Blizzard + Ice shard will always kill, no matter how specially defensive it is. Leech Seed and Giga Drain offer dual recovery moves, and Giga Drain for some reason isn't something people think about. It's a very common occurrence that people will switch in something like a Swampert or a Rhyperior into my low health abomasnow, thinking that they can just take a blizzard and kill me. Most games, my Abomasnow can be one the biggest offensive threats, and it's a great counter to bulky waters and any wall/tank at all. It can easily kill off a Snorlax with Leech Seed and giga drain before it dies to Body Slams, which is a very useful thing. The same goes true for such annoyances as Milotic, Blastoise, Empoleon, or Suicune. An interesting thing to note is that Abomasnow almost never leads my team. He is, however, in the first position. This enables me to draw out threats like Chandelure or Nidos, allowing me to lead instead with my Empoleon and deal with them early in the game. The reason I never lead with ASnow, which many people seem to think is a requirement for a hail team, is that this team really doesn't rely all too entirely on hail. Other than stalrein, all of my pokes can function almost perfectly outside of the hail, and some of them even enjoy being in a weatherless environment.

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    What's Stall? (Walrein) @ Leftovers - 248 HP/252 Def/ 8 Spe
    Ice Body
    Bold Nature
    -Blizzard
    -Protect
    -Substitute
    -Roar
    Oh, Walrein. Possibly the most clutch thing in the entire fucking universe for this team, I have literally gone from 1-6 to a 1-0 victory solely with this thing. With enough hazard support, it can easily sweep teams. The moves are fairly standard, Protect and Substitute being completely necessary for a functioning stallrein, and Blizzard because 120 Base power stab moves that can take care of most of the things in the tier are always nice. The last move, however, is a little bit weird. The reason I have Roar over toxic is that I usually get toxic support from Qwilfish's T Spikes, and Roar instead allows me to further phaze things out and add up hazard damage. It also gives Walrein a useful role as an emergency sweepstopper on a set-up poke. Most importantly, it can get rid of things that roar themselves, most notably other weird Walrein sets like mine and the occasional Empoleon. This is also the reason why I have 8 Spe EVs, so I can outspeed them 100% of the time and not allow them to interrupt my sweep.
    The rest of the EVs may look a little weird, so I'll explain them. The standard stallrein is max SpD, in order to take hits like T Bolt or Volt Switch and still have enough HP to sub. However, in the current UU metagame, I found the defence EVs to be infinitely more helpful. The EV spread as I have it allows me to take around 40% from a Scarfed Mienshao stone edge. It also lets me take things like a V-Create from Victini, a Flare Blitz or a Superpower from Darmanitan, Azumarill or Arcanine, and still have plenty of HP to set up a sub. It even allows me to survive an unboosted CC from Heracross or a HJK from ScarfShao, if necessary. All in all, it has a surprise factor that lead people to stay in and let me get a free sub, allowing me to proceed to demolish their whole team. (slowly)

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    Sponge (Qwilfish) @ Black Sludge - 252 HP/4 Att/ 252 Def
    Intimidate
    Impish Nature
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Spikes
    - Waterfall
    - Explosion
    Like ASnow and Walrein, this thing is fairly standard, with a couple of surprises (i'm too cool for mainstream sets sorry). First of all, lets talk about Qwilfish's obvious role in the party. Qwilfish can take almost any physical hits, taking around 20-30% from things like V-Create, Flare Blitz, CC, and more of the most powerful moves in the entire tier. (If you want a full Kitten rant of how good Qwilfish is, check (page 19?) of the UU viability ranking thread). Once in the field, Qwilfish has dual spikes to spread Toxic as well as constant switch in damage in the form of normal spikes. Waterfall is generally just for when I need to hit things decently well and/or I've got most of my hazards up already. Explosion was chosen over Pain Split or Destiny Bond for a couple reasons. The most important reason is that hazards are crucial to this teams success. If something like a Blastoise switches in, and my Sableye has fainted, I don't want to lose all of my hazards. Therefore, my solution is usually to explode, deal 40-50% damage (which, after all the hazards and hail, usually brings the spinner pretty close to death) and go from there. Explosion also gains me some helpful momentum and helps me kill things like DD scrafty before they set up too many boosts. Everything else is sort of self-explanatory, Black Sludge over Lefties for Trick users, Intimidate because duh, and max EVs for defense because that's the purpose of Qwilfish. Not much to say here.

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    SideSplit (Rotom-F) @ Choice Scarf - 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    Levitate
    - Blizzard
    - Shadow Ball
    - Volt Switch
    - Trick

    After long hours of stumbling around for the right special attacker for my team, I finally found that I liked Choice Scarfed Rotom-F. The dual stab of VS and Blizzard is wonderful, because people love to switch grounds in predicting a Volt Switch, and I love to predict people switching grounds in predicting a Volt Switch, so it's basically a match made in heaven. I chose modest nature over Timid nature because it still allows me to outspeed Scarfed Chandelure and Adamant Scarfed Heracross, and the extra power is very useful. Trick is for late-game when the remaining survivor on my opponent's team is something like a Snorlax/Suicune/Milotic, which are the only things that can escape Walrein's rage. I can then trap them into something like Sleep Talk and proceed to sit back and Walrein it up. I chose shadow ball over Thunderbolt for a couple of reasons. The most surface reason is that it allows me to hit things like Chandelure/Rotom-H/Victini harder than Thunderbolt would, but it's also helpful when my opponent's team is severely weakened, and it lets me ease prediction. For example, if the opponent has a Flygon at 30% and a Blastoise at 30% in the field, I can just go for the Shadow Ball and kill them both. I've honestly never tried T-Bolt, but I also can't think of a situation where I would want to have T-Bolted instead of just V Switching.

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    Waiter Substitute (Empoleon) - 252 HP/ 252 SpD/4 Spe
    Calm Nature
    Torrent
    - Scald
    - Protect
    - Roar
    - Stealth Rock

    This Empoleon is probably one of the most wonderful things to happen to this team, and the best part as that it's basically just a happy accident. Specially defensive Empoleon has a few qualities that make it perfect for this team. First, Stealth Rocks are always helpful, especially on this team. Protect helps add to the stally fun and eases prediction against scarfers. Also gives me a surprise way to hurt HJK mienshao, which is always fun. Roar makes Empoleon a great phazer, as well as the ability to keep away spinners and electrics that want to switch in. Scald is, well, good.
    Now, at this point, you might be saying something to the effect of "Congratufuckinglations, Kitten. You discovered an Empoleon set. Also, how the fuck does this thing counter chandelure?"
    The beauty about this Empoleon is that it is a perfect counter to four pokes, all of which wreak havoc for my team.
    Poke 1 : Choice Scarf Chandelure - does ~48% with FBlast, gets 1/2HKOd by scald depending on Hazards.
    Poke 2 : Choice Specs Chandelure - does ~75% with FBlast, gets 1HKOd by scald due to knocking me into torrent.
    Poke 3 : Standard LO Nidoking - does ~90% with EPower, gets 1HKOd by scald due to knocking me into torrent.
    Poke 4 : Standard LO Nidoqueen - does ~75-80% with EPower, gets almost OHKOd by scald. (If hail is up or something it is an OHKO usually, if not I'll just shard it).
    Absolutely no one expects this, and situations like these happen very often in my games. By being a counter to these pokes without appearing like one, Empoleon is able to get surprise kills and eliminate threats that could otherwise demolish most of my team.

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    Onyx (Sableye) @ Leftovers - 252 HP/ 252 SpD/4 Spe
    Calm Nature
    Prankster
    -Night Shade
    -Recover
    -Taunt
    -Will-o-Wisp

    Fucking sableye, man. This thing leads my games around 50-60% of the time, and on average it can burn like, three things and kill one, while preventing Stealth Rocks and Setups at the same time. Like Walrein, I inverted the EVs from the standard and made him specially defensive instead, because IMO physically defensive Sableye is just stupid. Sableye gets inherited defense from Will-O-Wisp, unless against a Physical Fire, and if there's a Darmanitan in the field, I'd just switch in Qwilfish anyway. The SpD allows him to shrug off hits like unboosted Air Slash, Zapdos' lefties TBolts, Raikou's Volt Switch, and other things that would normally do 70-80%. He instead can just recover off the damage as they kill themselves from Burn/Toxic/Hail/LO. He's also a great anti-lead, preventing Stealth Rocks in a ton of games and completely shutting down things like Azelf, Froslass, or Mew. Night Shade was chosen over Foul Play because its reliable damage, and the rest is all fairly standard.


    Short Threat List:
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    So, this section, (compared to the other ones) will be relatively short, and will just highlight a few of the things that I currently have problems with so if you're looking to suggest changes, you can keep these things in mind.

    1. Manual Sun Teams
    Weirdly enough, as I got higher onto the ladder, I started seeing more than just one or two of these things. They account for about 4-5 of my 16 losses, and I only won once against them. Although they are still relatively rare in the UU metagame, manual sun can destroy my team. The reason is fairly obvious, a team somewhat centered around hail and ice types doesn't appreciate tons of hardhitting fire pokemon. Honestly though, I think Hail teams will always be at a disadvantage against Sun teams, so this isn't really something I can change.

    2. Chandelure/Special Victini [pimg]522[/pimg] [pimg]639[/pimg]

    Yup, fucking chandy can still be a problem. Although Empoleon deals with it nicely, it can't really safely switch in on it. If I don't get a face-off with it on the first turn, it can haunt me throughout the battle. Special Victini is the same, but even more so. One of my losses came from a 6-0 sweep from a Scarfed Special Victini, which I wasn't expecting at all. When I see a victini, my gut reaction is to go to Qwilfish, who then dies to a Psychic/2 Blue Flares, and I've lost my spiker and physical wall right there. Similar to the sun team problem, special victini is still sort of an anomaly, but it's still an annoyance.

    3. Zapdos/Raikou [pimg]145[/pimg] [pimg]243[/pimg]

    These things are a lesser threat, but my team is still fairly weak to them. Sableye can deal with the Leftover variants with ease, but the LO or Choiced Variants hit hard, and often my solution to them is just to wear them down with constant damage. They're certainly not a dealbreaker, but they're definitely annoying, especially when the field is free of hazards.

    This threat list is pretty short. That's not to say my team is invincible, but it does cover a lot of bases very well. There are of course certain pokes that can be annoying to me in certain situations, but these are the main couple that really give me a hard time.



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    Final Thoughts/Preemptive Questions Answered (I'd say FAQ but no one's asked anything yet soooo...)
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    I recognize that this team is probably not perfect, but it's certainly a very long way from where it was when it started. If you have any suggestions, however minor or major, I would be more than happy to hear them. I also accept compliments or luvdiscs if you don't have time for a full rate ;). This team and this RMT took me a long, long time to test, tweak, and write about, so I hope you enjoy!

    PQA:
    Q: Dood why are your pictures for the pokemon in the analysis so big lol?
    A: I'm shit at RMT, so I don't know how to change the size. Sorry.

    Q: Walrein's fucking annoying and takes no skill what the fuck man so lame.
    A: :(

    Q: Hey, I think you need a spinner.
    A: Actually, this team manages to keep hazards away most of the time, and I don't actually do a ton a ton of switching, for it being a pseudo stall team. Hazards don't affect me as badly as some people might think. Obviously, if there are 7 layers of hazards on my side and none on theres, I'm still screwed, but if we have an equal number of hazards, I can usually get the upper hand.


    Importable:
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    Pure Ice (Abomasnow) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Snow Warning
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 Spd
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SAtk
    - Giga Drain
    - Ice Shard
    - Leech Seed
    - Blizzard

    Waiter Substitute (Empoleon) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Torrent
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Spd / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature
    - Scald
    - Roar
    - Stealth Rock
    - Protect

    What's Stall? (Walrein) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Ice Body
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Protect
    - Roar
    - Substitute
    - Blizzard

    Sponge (Qwilfish) @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Atk
    Impish Nature
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Spikes
    - Waterfall
    - Explosion

    Onyx (Sableye) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Spd
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Night Shade
    - Recover
    - Taunt
    - Will-O-Wisp

    SideSplit (Rotom-Frost) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
    Modest Nature
    - Blizzard
    - Trick
    - Volt Switch
    - Shadow Ball


    ~Fin~
    <3 - Pleasure Kitten/Kitten Milk
  2. PTJon7

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    I told you I'd give you a rate! Congrats on getting so high in the ladder.

    Wouldn't HP Rock be a better move for Rotom, as it can hit all the things you listed super effectively? I'd say being able to hit Rotom-H hard is extremely important, considering how damaging a Specs one could be to your team.

    I also don't get the point of having Waterfall over Scald on Qwilfish. Its a wall, why does it matter if it has a naturally higher physical attack? Scald's burn chance seems much more important than damage, especially on a stall team.

    Obviously the team is very solid, I've faced (and been destroyed) by many a good Hail stall team in my UU career. Good luck in your future battles!
  3. Kitten Milk

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    Hey PTJon7 :) Thanks for the rate.

    I'm going to have to disagree with you on Rotom for HP Rock. I did mistype in the analysis when I said that Shadow Ball is for Rotom-H. In fact, if Rotom-H does survive into the late game, I'll usually just blizzard, given that it turns out to be the same BP. Although HP Rock does give me a super effective move against Rotom-H as well, I never really have a problem with Rotom-H. The first reason for this is because Rotom-H is generally more of a early/mid game player, and the second reason is that overheat doesn't allow him to sweep my team, and hazards wear him down quickly. On the other hand, things like chandelure can just spam Fire Blast, so I'd rather have the S Ball to deal 65-75% damage reliably.

    Scald on Qwilfish is interesting, and weirdly enough I've never thought of it. I don't think the burn chance will be as effective as you might think, because remember, the only reason I usually attack with Qwilfish is if I've set up all of my hazards, at which point anything that switches in will be poisoned if not a flier or a steel. I also have will-o support from Sableye. That said, it certainly would allow me to cripple certain physical threats that like to stay in on qwilfish. The loss of power might hurt as well, but I will give scald on Qwilfish a try.

    Thanks :)
  4. patrick11756

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    Hey good team! Just a few points to note. Explosion from 4 attack qwilfish does 34 to 40% on 252/252 +def blastoise and 40 to 60% on 0/0 dd scrafty. I think qwilfish is too important to this team as a strong pivot against heracross and mienshao. Some people still use guts heracross, so I wouldn't rely on sableye and wow to stop it. So, I highly recommend pain split over explosion to increase the longevity.

    I find that rotom-h is a big threat to this team hitting 5/6 with overheat/thunderbolt and being immune to sableyes wow. I would recommend rhyperior > rotom-f. You have a strong attacker in abomasnow with blizzdrain having great coverage. Rhyperior will patch up your fire and electric weaknesses while his water/grass is easily handled by abomasnow and qwilfish. Rhyperior can also set up stealth rock and pseudohaze with dragon tail. The only poke he can't hit hard is bronzong which can be beaten by stallrein/qwilfish.

    Other than that you have a good team!
  5. Kitten Milk

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    Hey, Patrick1088. Thanks for the rate. Explosion on Qwilfish isn't meant as much to deal massive damage, it's just to increase momentum and pseudo spin-block. Obviously, I won't straight out explode if I see something on his team I need to stop with Qwilfish, however.

    Similarly, replacing Rotom-F for Rhyperior causes some massive problems. For starters, it really doesn't help me with my Rotom-H problem at all. Most of the Rotom-H's I saw, especially as I got higher on the ladder, were carrying HP Grass, which Rhyperior isn't going to enjoy taking after hazard and hail damage racking up. He can't even really safely switch in on anything other than a VS/T-bolt, because even Overheat can do up to 50% to him. Most importantly, however, Rotom-F gives this team a much-needed boost of speed and momentum. If worst comes to worse, I can just stop a sweep with Rotom-F's massive coverage, and even if I die in the process, I can do enough damage so that it's easy for me stall out the rest of the way.

    I actually used to run LO, SR 3 attack Rhyperior on this team, it just left me with a ridiculously slow team and more fodder for sweepers. Thanks for the advice anyway, I'm still not set on qwilfish's explosion so I may fiddle with that as well :P
  6. youngjake93

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    I think that using Explosion to spinblock is genius. I like to use Rocky Helmet Ferrothorn to spinblock in OU.

    I was wondering if you hate Chandelure so much, then why have you not used Pory2? It is immune to both of its STABs. SDef Pory2 can also tank out some of the more powerful attackers that give your team trouble while being an amazing mixed wall with burn support. It also just so happens to get blizzard+tbolt coverage. I think that could allow you to mess around with Empoleon+Rotom's slot. Using Pory2 and an offensive Stealth Rocker like Life Orb Nidoking give your team some interesting options(including a very powerful ground STAB).
  7. Kitten Milk

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    I....I never thought of Pory2 o.o. That's brilliant xD. I've also wanted to try out a Nido, so I'll definitely take your advice into consideration :) It does once again sort of screw me over in terms of speed, but I think I could deal with that. Thanks for the rate :)
  8. Xuna

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    Played around 35 game with the team(35 long game since most them go in hard stalling) The team is amazing. honnestly only had problem against melee victiny running electric attack.

    I also did some change. Honestly giga drain on abomasnow was pretty useless so I replaced it with protect and it did wonder; giving me a turn to see what my opponent would do was pretty nice and having that extra turn for them to usually take a extra tick from either burn or poison plus hail got me some easy kill.(poison and burn being the main source of dmg of this team)

    Also on a side note, I played the team with a version of P2 in the place of empoleon like we talked earlier and it honestly did wonder. Using that set:

    Obama (Porygon2) @ Eviolite
    Trait: Trace
    EVs: 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 4 Spd
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Blizzard
    - Thunderbolt
    - Recover
    - Protect

    This guy has become the MVP of most of my game. his trait(ability), was the reason behind most of the success. (getting prankster is amazing) but it was clear has day that this Pokemon deserved a place in the team.

    I am also running thunderbolt over Discharge simply for the added dmg. Most of my game, my foes are either burned or poisoned so having paralyse was useless and that extra dmg was really good.

    To anwser a post from earlier. Rotom-F is crucial to this team and its probably one of the 4 pokemon that I think should not change at all the other 3 being Abomasnow, Walrein, and Sableye.
  9. Kitten Milk

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    Hey Xuna, thanks for the rate, and glad you played around with the team :) I've never experienced too much trouble with Physical Victini myself, but who knows. I've thought of running protect over giga drain on abomasnow, but Giga Drain really does help me deal with a significant portion of the metagame as well as providing reliable recovery.
    I'm glad you used P2, I've been using P2 as well in place of empoleon and it's gotten a different alt to rank 15. The set I use is slightly different from yours, but if it's working for you, that's great.
    I'll be updating the thread with the new P2 set after I get up a little higher on the ladder (hopefully) because I don't want all my trickery being revealed.

    Glad you enjoyed the team, and best of luck :) It seriously was awesome to see someone using my team on the ladder and to battle against them :P
  10. Garchomp for president

    Garchomp for president

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    I faced this team with my RMT porygon, the coded computer except I use Victini over darmanitan.I lost to that stupid wailrein. P.S. kitten milk, I'm 44HY
  11. Kitten Milk

    Kitten Milk

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    So, after a long time battling on another alt (Pory Gone Too?), I managed to get this team higher up on the ladder using some of your guys suggestions. I made a couple of minor changes, but the biggest change was switching Empoleon with SpD Porygon2. I used a sort of unconventional set, but it really aided me with a lot of surprise factor, amazing bulk, and some decent offensive capabilities in the hail as well.

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    Porygon2 @ Eviolite - 252 SpD/252 HP/4 Spe - Trace
    Calm Nature
    -Blizzard
    -Thunderbolt
    -Recover
    -Magic Coat

    I originally had protect over magic coat, and I just wasn't feeling it (or using it). I like how Porygon2 was an extremely solid conter to Houndoom/Chandelure and could tank special hits like a boss, but I felt that he was just fodder to statuses and hazards. And, let me tell you, Magic Coat is freaking amazing. I literally get rocks up in 3/4 of my games without having a Stealth Rocker, as well as statusing a lot of things. It's also handy for bouncing back roars and stuff for added trollage ^.^

    So yeah, once again, thanks for all your rates and advice! I'm not sure if I'll keep trying to go past rank 10, but if I get anywhere significant I'll be sure to update the thread :)

    ~Kitten Milk/Pleasure Kitten

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