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ORAS OU Coverage/Lures Compendium

Thanks Analytic

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Alright, so everyone knows how useful running a certain move on mons can be, especially with being able to lure and KO threats/checks to that mon. The point of this thread is to have a list of uncommon moves that can lure threats, so people can see why that move is useful, and also what it hits. At the moment, we are currently adding non-stab moves that help with coverage in order to have both coverage and lures in a single compendium.

Rules
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Only suggest viable moves/lures, and an explanation for each one will be really helpful. If it looks good and is explained well, I'll add it to the compendium. There's also some mons that are missing from the list, and that's because there's no good lure moves for them atm, so if anyone has one, feel free to share it and if reasoning is good, I'll consider adding it. Right now, the list of mons goes from S Rank through B- Rank.

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Here's a little advice before posting a lure:

Does this Pokemon have to sacrifice anything important? If you're losing a key part of a set just for an uncommon threat that isn't even lured in that is what we call a "bad lure", always consider what you give up in order to lure something, that is very important.

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A-F

Mega Aerodactyl Moves/Lures
Fire Fang:

Thunder Fang:

Ice Fang:

Aqua Tail:

Earthquake:

Alakazam Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Dazzling Gleam:

Shadow Ball:

Focus Blast:

Energy Ball:

Mega Alakazam Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Dazzling Gleam:

Shadow Ball:

Focus Blast:

Energy Ball:

Mega Altaria Moves/Lures
Fire Blast:

Earthquake:

Outrage:

Azelf Moves / Lures
Fire Blast:

Dazzling Gleam:

Thunderbolt:

Grass Knot:

Shadow Ball:

Azumarill Moves/Lures
Return:

Knock Off:

Superpower:

Mega Beedrill Moves / Lures
Drill Run:

Knock Off:

Bisharp Moves/Lures
Low Kick:

Aerial Ace:

Grass Knot:

Breloom Moves / Lures
Rock Tomb:

Facade:

Celebi Moves/Lures
Earth Power:

HP Fire:

Dazzling Gleam:

Shadow Ball:

Mega Charizard X Moves/Lures
Iron Tail:

Thunder Punch:

Earthquake:

Outrage:

Mega Charizard Y Moves/Lures
Earthquake:

Dragon Pulse:

Focus Blast:

HP Rock:

Solar Beam:

Clefable Moves/Lures
Flamethrower/Fire Blast:

Thunderbolt:

Focus Blast:

Ice Beam:

Knock Off:

Shadow Ball:

Crawdaunt Moves / Lures
Superpower:

Aerial Ace:

Mega Diancie Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Earth Power:

Psychic / Psyshock:

Diggersby Moves / Lures
Fire Punch:

(Magnet Rise)
Wild Charge:

Knock Off:

Dragalge Moves / Lures
Focus Blast:

HP Fire:

Dragonite Moves / Lures
Iron Head:

Thunder Punch:

Fire Punch:

Superpower:

Excadrill Move / Lure
Return:

Feraligatr Moves/Lures
Low Kick / Superpower:

Crunch:

Ice Punch:

Aqua Jet:

 

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G-L

Mega Gallade Moves/Lures
Poison Jab:

(DDD)
Ice Punch:

Knock Off:

Garchomp Moves/Lures
Iron Tail:

Stone Edge:

Fire Blast:

(Magnet Rise)

Mega Garchomp Moves/Lures
Iron Tail:

Stone Edge:

Fire Blast:

(Magnet Rise)
Draco Meteor:

Mega Gardevoir Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Shadow Ball:

Focus Blast:

Gengar Moves/Lures
Icy Wind:

Focus Blast:

Dazzling Gleam:

Gliscor Moves / Lures
Knock Off:

Ice Fang:

Stone Edge:

Gothitelle Moves / Lures
Energy Ball / Grass Knot:

Thunderbolt:

Hidden Power Fire:

Shadow Ball:

Gyarados Moves / Lures
Bounce:

Ice Fang:

Mega Gyarados Moves / Lures
Bounce:

Ice Fang:

Earthquake:

Hawlucha Moves / Lures
Stone Edge:

Heatran Moves/Lures
Solar Beam:

HP Ice:

Earth Power:

Stone Edge:

Mega Heracross Moves / Lures
Rock Blast:

Bullet Seed:

Hoopa-U Moves/Lures
Thunderbolt:

Fire Punch:

Grass Knot:

Gunk Shot:

Drain Punch:

Focus Blast:

Hydreigon Moves/Lures
Superpower:

Flash Cannon:

Fire Blast:

Earth Power:

Jirachi Moves/Lures
Fire Punch:

Drain Punch:

Ice Punch:

Energy Ball:

Natural Gift (Ground):

Thunderbolt:

Kabutops Moves/Lures
Low Kick / Superpower:

Aerial Ace:

Kingdra Moves / Lures
Ice Beam:

Kyurem-Black Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Iron Head:

Outrage:

Earth Power:

Fusion Bolt:

Landorus-T Moves/Lures
Hidden Power Ice:

Grass Knot:

Smack Down:

Toxic:

Stone Edge:

Knock Off:

Superpower:

Punishment:

Latias Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Earthquake:

Surf:

Thunderbolt:

Energy Ball:

Hidden Power Fighting:

Latios Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Earthquake:

Surf:

Thunderbolt:

Energy Ball:

Hidden Power Fighting:

Mega Lopunny Moves/Lures
Iron Tail:

Ice Punch:

Toxic:

Lucario Moves/Lures
Crunch:

Ice Punch:

 

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M-S

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Magneton / Magnezone Moves / Lures
Hidden Power Fire:

Mamoswine Moves / Lures
Superpower:

Manaphy Moves / Lures
HP Fire:

Psychic:

Shadow Ball:

Dazzling Gleam:

Energy Ball:

Ice Beam:

Manectric Moves / Lures
Flamethrower / Overheat:

Hidden Power Ice:

Mega Medicham Moves / Lures
Bullet Punch:

Thunder Punch:

Ice Punch:

/

Metagross Moves / Lures
Thunder Punch:

Grass Knot:

Ice Punch:

Hammer Arm:

Earthquake:

Mew Moves / Lures
Flamethrower / Fire Blast:

Ice Beam:

Dazzling Gleam:

Thunderbolt:

Earth Power:

Low Kick:

Knock Off:

Gunk Shot:

Shadow Ball:

Omastar Moves / Lures
Knock Off:

Ice Beam:

Mega Pidgeot Moves / Lures
Heat Wave:

Hidden Power Ground:

Steel Wing:

U-Turn:

Mega Pinsir Moves / Lures
Close Combat:

Earthquake:

Stone Edge:

Politoed Moves / Lures
Psychic:

Ice Beam:

Raikou Moves / Lures
Extrasensory:

Hidden Power Ice:

Hidden Power Fire:

Shadow Ball:

Reuniclus Moves / Lures
Shadow Ball:

Focus Blast:

Energy Ball:

Thunderbolt:

Mega Sceptile Moves / Lures
Hidden Power Fire:

Focus Blast:

Rock Slide:

Earthquake:

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Scizor Moves / Lures
Superpower:

Knock Off:

Pursuit:

Aerial Ace:

Scolipede Moves / Lures
Earthquake:

Aqua Tail:

Rock Slide:

Superpower:

Serperior Moves / Lures
HP Ground:

HP Rock:

HP Fire:

Dragon Pulse:

Knock Off:

Mega Sharpedo Moves / Lures
Zen Headbutt:

Poison Jab:

Ice Fang:

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Slowbro Moves / Lures
Ice Beam:

Fire Blast:

Grass Knot:

Shadow Ball:

Slowking Moves / Lures
Ice Beam:

Fire Blast:

Grass Knot:

Shadow Ball:

Starmie Moves / Lures
Thunderbolt:

Dazzling Gleam:

Ice Beam:

Hidden Power Fire:

Grass Knot:

Mega Swampert Moves / Lures
Ice Punch:

Low Kick / Superpower / Power Up Punch:

Sylveon Moves / Lures
Hidden Power Fire:

Hidden Power Ground:

Shadow Ball:

Psyshock:

 

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B Rank

Mega Garchomp Moves/Lures
Iron Head:

Hydreigon Moves/Lures
Superpower:

Flash Cannon:

Fire Blast:

Mega Sharpedo Moves/Lures
Zen Headbutt:

Poison Jab:

Ice Fang:

Mega Swampert Moves/Lures
Ice Punch:

Low Kick/Superpower/Power Up Punch:

Zapdos Moves/Lures
HP Ice:

B- Rank

Lucario Moves/Lures
Crunch:

Ice Punch:

Mega Sceptile Moves/Lures
Rock Slide:

Earthquake:

HP Fire:

Focus Blast:

Sylveon Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Shadow Ball:

Psyshock:

Toxicroak Moves/Lures
Ice Punch:

 

[You...You...]

This thread looks really great and I really like the idea, nice job! You've done a really thorough job so far but I'd like to touch up the section on Jirachi. First off, Drain Punch is a really shitty lure for Heatran and Ferrothorn, with even Scarf Heatran avoiding the 2HKO 80% of the time.

calcs

252+ Atk Jirachi Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 144-170 (44.5 - 52.6%) -- 19.9% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Jirachi Drain Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 144-170 (37.4 - 44.1%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Jirachi Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 102-120 (28.9 - 34%) -- 98.7% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

Secondly, one could argue that Icy Wind is better than Ice Punch in most cases as it hits the ice move targets' lower defensive stat and has the added bonus of lowering the speed of switchins. I think it should at least be slashed.

Thirdly, Grass Knot should probably be slashed with Energy Ball as Grass Knot is stronger against Hippo, Mega Slowbro, Suicune and Mega Swampert at the cost of doing shit all to Rotom-W.

Lastly, I want to share one of my favourite Jirachi lure sets, posted in the creative sets thread by Starmei.

Jirachi @ Apicot Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 128 HP / 208 Atk / 172 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Natural Gift
- Iron Head
- Thunder Wave
- U-turn

Apicot Berry makes Natural Gift ground type. Natural Gift Ground has a major benefit over Hidden Power Ground in that it actually OHKOs Heatran because it hits on the physical side and has signifcantly more BP.

calcs

208+ Atk Apicot Berry Jirachi Natural Gift (100 BP Ground) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 368-436 (95.3 - 112.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Expert Belt Jirachi Hidden Power Ground vs. 248 HP / 192+ SpD Heatran: 211-250 (54.8 - 64.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Expert Belt Jirachi Hidden Power Ground vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Heatran: 274-326 (84.8 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

As an added bonus it also OHKOs Magnezone and does nice damage to Bisharp.

 

[Analytic]

Sexy thread.

Talonflame @ Ganlon Berry / Apicot Berry
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Swords Dance
- Natural Gift

With all these TankChomp and Landorus discouraging the use of SD Talonflame, Natural Gift Ice is a pretty neat option to combat them. Apicot Berry gives NG Ground, for the likes of Heatran. It's also been used effectively in high level play like this game.

 

[TPP]

This idea came from the 2 guys above, but Natural Gift berries make great lures, so if you're not sure about a lure, try those out, as I'll be happy to include them on the list :)

Make sure the pokemon can actually learn Natural Gift first...

 

[Random Passerby]

Some of the things I noticed:

Jirachi :

1) Thunderbolt to hit bulky Waters which wall it. It differs itself from Energy Ball because Thunderbolt also hits Talonflame, Tornadus-T and Mega Charizard-Y.

2) Icy Wind lures the same stuff as Ice Punch except without the recoil from Rough Skin. It also gives Speed control.

3) The NG Ground also hits Mega Charizard-X


Volcarona:

1) Remove Jirachi from the HP Ground targets since your Fire STAB hits it much harder.

2) HP Ice is your only way to deal with Mega Altaria. It also allows you to hit Dragonite, Specially Defensive Gliscor, Garchomp and Landorus-T. It also retains the Super Effective hits on Mega Pidgeot, Togekiss, Mega Aerodactyl and Tornadus-T (although Fire Blast still hits everything except Mega Aero harder)


Serperior :

1) Add Mega Metagross and Bisharp to HP Ground's target


Altaria :

1) Outrage: Hits Talonflame, Mega Venusaur, Amoongus, Zard-Y, Victini and Tentacruel.

EDIT: Is Return Azumarill even a thing? Pretty sure +6 Knock Off OHKOes Mega Venusaur and Tentacruel after Rocks anyway.

 

[Karxrida]

I wouldn't add Zard X as a HP Ground target for Serperior, as Dragon Pulse already nabs it.

 

[SketchUp]

For the A+ ranks

*Shadow Ball Manaphy doesn't lure in Lati@s, Celebi and Slowbro because they don't want to switch in anyway because of Ice Beam / Energy Ball.
*A +3 Scald is almost a guaranteed OHKO on Metagross and Meta fails to OHKO back, so even as a revengekiller Metagross is not reliable. I don't think you'll often see a Metagross switching in against Manaphy and if it does Scald does the job pretty well.
*Doublade, Jirachi, Bronzong and Metagross won't switch in against Alakazam because they don't like Shadow Ball (except SpD Jirachi) which does more than HP Fire
*I'd personally change Fire Blast Altaria to DD + Fire Blast Altaria, because Skarm, Ferro and Scizor won't switch in against Altaria until they are sure you are DD / Defensive. If you show DD you can lure them with Fire Blast but without DD it won't work.
*Also like RP said add Outrage on Altaria
*Low Kick Bisharp also lures in MAggron

I also think there should be a mention of resist berries (+ coverage moves) because they also lure in some pokemon but fail to do so without the berry
- Coba Berry + HP Rock Serperior (lures in flying types)
- Coba Berry + HP Rock Volcarona (lures in flying types and fire types)
- Wacan Berry / Rindo Berry Manaphy on TG 3 Attacks Sets (lures in electric type revenge killers / serperior and venu)
- Chople Berry Heatran on Offensive Sets (lures in Zard Y / Thundy / Gardevoir / Gengar)
- Passho Berry Volcarona (lures in water type revengekillers like azu and keldeo)
- Passho Berry / Yache Berry Landorus-T on Swords Dance sets (lures in azu and keldeo with passho, kyurem-b weavile electrictypes with yache)
- Yache Berry Garchomp on Swords Dance sets (lures in scarf kyu-b, weavile, electric types and stuff like ice beam mana / ice punch meta)

 

[p2]

Remove Noivern from Keldeos Icy Wind, it's complete ass and I'm pretty sure it can die to Specs Hydro after rocks. edit: it doesn't die but still, noivern is total garbage
Add Gliscor for Icy Wind Gengar
Add Mega Gyarados for Low Kick Bisharp
Add Aerial Ace Bish for Chesnaught / Keldeo since Psycho Cut is ass and you still 2HKO Keldeo
Psychic Mega Diancie for Mega Venusaur
Icy Wind Tornadus-T for Gliscor / Garchomp / Lando-T
I wouldn't make Iron Head a Garchomp lure move since its ass and you 2HKO those mons anyway with EQ and Stone Edge for Togekiss and I dont even think Iron Head can OHKO them

 

[Seirle]

My suggestions:
Add Dragon Pulse Charizard-Y for Latios / Latias
Add Iron Tail Tornadus-T for Diancie / Clefable / Altaria and Icy Wind for Gliscor / Garchomp / Landorus-T
Add Thunderbolt Clefable for Talonflame / Skarmory, Focus Blast for Ferrothorn / Heatran and Knock Off for Heatran / Gengar
Add Psychic Mega Diancie for Venusaur / Amoonguss
Add HP Fire Mega Metagross for Scizor / Ferrothorn / Skarmory
Add Low Kick Tyranitar for Bisharp / Ferrothorn and Iron Tail for Clefable / Altaria
Add Bullet Punch Medicham for Weavile / Diancie
Add Knock Off Serperior for Chansey

 

[SketchUp]

My suggestions:
Add Dragon Pulse Charizard-Y for Latios / Latias
Add Iron Tail Tornadus-T for Diancie / Clefable / Altaria and Icy Wind for Gliscor / Garchomp / Landorus-T
Add Thunderbolt Clefable for Talonflame / Skarmory, Focus Blast for Ferrothorn / Heatran and Knock Off for Heatran / Gengar
Add Psychic Mega Diancie for Venusaur / Amoonguss
Add HP Fire Mega Metagross for Scizor / Ferrothorn / Skarmory
Add Low Kick Tyranitar for Bisharp / Ferrothorn and Iron Tail for Clefable / Altaria
Add Bullet Punch Medicham for Weavile / Diancie
Add Knock Off Serperior for Chansey

- HP Fire Metagross only really hits Scizor. Ferrothorn and Skarmory both take 40% so they still win with Seed + Protect / Roost
- Bish / Ferro already get hit hard with Superpower from TTar so Low Kick is not worth it
- BP Medicham is not a lure, it's standard

I agree with the other suggestions.
DPulse ZardY is nice because it also does a ton do Offensive Altaria, Dragonite, Dragalge and Zard X. Wisp is another option to weaken Hippow / TTar / Altaria / Aerodactyl etc.

 

[Random Passerby]

My suggestions:

Add Iron Tail Tornadus-T for Diancie / Clefable / Altaria and Icy Wind for Gliscor / Garchomp / Landorus-T

Not sure why Torn-T needs Iron Tail when Life Orb Hurricane 2HKOes Clefable and Mega Altaria anyway (except against Diancie ). AV sets can't even 2HKO with any move, even with Iron Tail.
Icy Wind can be slashed with HP Ice which nets the guaranteed 2HKO against those threats (Icy Wind has a tiny chance of not 2HKOing) except without the utility of Speed control.

 

[yuruuu]

DPulse ZardY is nice because it also does a ton do Offensive Altaria

Lol

Also HP Fire Metagross should invest in some SpA, so it could potentially do 50-60% to Ferro (I think?)

 

[p2]

Lol

Also HP Fire Metagross should invest in some SpA, so it could potentially do 50-60% to Ferro (I think?)

It lures in regular Altaria which is still a solid switch in, it's a bit overly specific for hitting Altaria, but it works.

HP Fire Metagross is total garbage and should never be used, ever.

also, will-o-wisp Charizard for ground types that would typically switch into it (lando, hippo) or even azu / alt lacking heal bell
Iron Head/Tail Mega Gyarados for Clef/Alt/Sylveon
Bullet Punch Lucario for Tyranitar, Mega Dianice, Gengar, Terrakion
Iron Tail Lucario for Clefable, Sylveon.
idk about the 2 lucario ones, but if Crunch is there I don't see why not

 

[procrastinat]

Some of the things I noticed:



EDIT: Is Return Azumarill even a thing? Pretty sure +6 Knock Off OHKOes Mega Venusaur and Tentacruel after Rocks anyway.

Knock off does KO Tentacruel, but does 70% max to Mega Venusaur. Return is better for hitting Megasaur, but inferior in most situations because it forces Azumarill to run Jolly with at least 188 ev's invested into Speed to outrun Defensive Mega Venusaur, and isn't even a guaranteed OHKO.

+6 252 Atk Huge Power Azumarill Return vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mega Venusaur: 309-364 (84.8 - 100%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

 

[-Ixtamacunxi-]

Great thread, really helpful :]

Some suggestions:

Add Focus Blast Clefable for Heatran, Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Magnezone
Add NG Watmel Berry Azu for Mega Scizor, Ferrothorn
Add Sludge Wave Thundurus for Clefable, Mega Altaria, Sylveon
Add HP Ground Sylveon for Heatran, Klefki, Excadrill, Jirachi
Add WoW Zard X for Hippowdon, Lando-T, Azumarill, Mega Altaria
Add SD NG Lansat Berry Breloom for Mega Venusaur, Amoonguss
Maybe Knock Off Zam for Chansey?

Also, Ice Punch is not a lure on Mega Medicham imo, since it's used on about 50% of them.

 

[Talpr0ne]

done a bit of edits

S Rank

Mega Charizard X Moves/Lures
Iron Tail:

ThunderPunch:

Clefable Moves/Lures
Flamethrower/Fire Blast:

Thunderbolt:

Focus Blast:

Ice Beam:

Hoopa-U Moves/Lures
Thunderbolt:

Fire Punch:

(

)
Grass Knot:

Manaphy Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

(

)
Psychic:

(

)
Shadow Ball:

A+

Mega Alakazam Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Dazzling Gleam:

(

)

Mega Altaria Moves/Lures
Fire Blast:

Azumarill Moves/Lures
Return:

[

]
Superpower:

Bisharp Moves/Lures
Low Kick:

Aerial Ace:

[

]

[

] Iron Head hits those as hard

Mega Diancie Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Garchomp Moves/Lures
Iron Head:

Stone Edge:

Heatran Moves/Lures
Solarbeam:

Keldeo Moves/Lures
Icy Wind:

(

)
HP Electric:

[

] Secret Sword hits it harder
HP Bug:

[

] Scald hits it as hard
HP Flying:

Latios Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Earthquake:

(

)
Surf:

(

)
Thunderbolt:

Energy Ball:

(

)

Mega Lopunny Moves/Lures
Iron Tail:

Mega Metagross Moves/Lures
Thunderpunch:

Grass Knot:

Ice Punch:

Talonflame Moves/Lures
Natural Gift (Grass):

(

)
Natural Gift (Ground):

Natural Gift (Ice):

(

)
Steel Wing:

Thundurus Moves/Lures
Grass Knot:

(

)
Focus Blast:

HP Flying:

(

)
Psychic:

(

)
Knock Off:

Superpower:

Tornadus-T Moves/Lures
Grass Knot:

Icy Wind:

Superpower:

(

)

Weavile Moves/Lures
Poison Jab:

A Rank

Mega Charizard Y Moves/Lures
Earthquake:

(

)

Mega Gardevoir Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Shadow Ball:

Gengar Moves/Lures
Icy Wind:

(

)

Kyurem-Black Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Iron Head:

Latias Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Earthquake:

(

)
Surf:

(

)
Thunderbolt:

Energy Ball:

(

)

Slowbro/Mega Slowbro Moves/Lures
Ice Beam:

Fire Blast:

Tyranitar Moves/Lures
Ice Beam:

Fire Blast:

Mega Venusaur Moves/Lures
Earthquake:

Knock Off:

A-

Mega Aerodactyl Moves/Lures
Fire Fang:

Thunder Fang:

Alakazam Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Dazzling Gleam:

(

)

Celebi Moves/Lures
Earth Power:

Jirachi Moves/Lures
Fire Punch:

Drain Punch:

Ice Punch:

Energy Ball:

Natural Gift (Ground):

Mega Medicham Moves/Lures
Ice Punch:

Thunder Punch:

Raikou Moves/Lures
Extrasensory:

Shadow Ball:

HP Fire:

Serperior Moves/Lures
HP Ground:

HP Rock:

[

]

(

) Removed Noivern because it's ass

Starmie Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

[

]

Removed Jirachi since Hydro hits it much harder

Volcarona Moves/Lures
HP Ground:

HP Rock:

[

]

[

]

Removed Noivern because it's ass and Tornadus, Pinsir and Pidge because Fiery Dance hits them as hard.

B+ Rank

Dragonite Moves/Lures
Iron Head:

Feraligatr Moves/Lures
Superpower:

Mega Gallade Moves/Lures
Poison Jab:

Ice Punch:

Kabutops Moves/Lures
Low Kick/Superpower:

Mega Swampert Moves/Lures
Low Kick/Superpower/Power Up Punch:

Terrakion Moves/Lures
HP Ice:

[

]

Removed Mega Altaria since HP Ice doesn't beat it
Iron Head:

Victini Moves/Lures
Energy Ball:

Glaciate:

(

)
Focus Blast/Power-up Punch:

B Rank

Mega Garchomp Moves/Lures
Iron Head:

Hydreigon Moves/Lures
Superpower:

Flash Cannon:

Mega Sceptile Moves/Lures
Rock Slide:

Earthquake:

Mega Sharpedo Moves/Lures
Zen Headbutt:

Poison Jab: [

] (

) Removed Ches, Tangrowth and Altaria because they get beaten by Ice Beam/Fang, added Clefable instead.

Zapdos Moves/Lures
HP Ice:

B- Rank

Lucario Moves/Lures
Crunch:

Ice Punch:

Sylveon Moves/Lures
HP Fire:

Shadow Ball:

Psyshock:

Toxicroak Moves/Lures
Ice Punch:

 

[Me and ur mom]

Iron tail sceptile to lure M-Alt and Clef? I'm not sure how much it does tho because I can't calc atm

 

[Froggyboy]

Would Low Kick Weavile count as a lure for things like T-Tar and Bisharp?

 

[GeeMick]

add psy move (shock or stored power) clefable for tenta/opposing clefs/venu, hp ice landt for opposing chomp/landts, dazzling gleam mana for kyube (preferably with wacan), ice fang aero for chomp/landt (if you consider it a lure), you can consider adding ng water talon as it hits a unique pool of checks (ttar/tran/diancie/aero/scor), add tpunch dnite to hit both azu and skarm, add superpower dnite to hit both tran and ferro, slash superpower with low kick on gatr cause no attack and defense drop is nice, add hp ice volc for alt/aero/chomp, add smack down landt for skarm/rotom
remove iron head from chomp and its mega as sd is 100% better, remove hp rock talon as it's bad cuz what it should hit outpaces/outprioritizes it and is sr weak anyway, remove thundr fang aero as it does zero % to slowbro and the likes

 

[AD impish john]

I think it's about time for this thread to get an update, Add Amoongus to Mega-Altaria's Fire Blast, add Garchomp to Lucario's Ice Punch, add Keldeo and Mega Heracross to Aerial Ace Weavile, also can you slash Iron Tail with Iron Head on Dragonite. Can we add some C Rank Pokemon now? I think it's been long enough, and I have a few good Lures that I can add to the list.

Fire Blast:

Ice Punch:

/

Aerial Ace:

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[Ramses]

I've got a list of some lures that might be worth considering.

Grass Knot

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Knock Off

Hidden Power Ice

Focus Blast

Iron Head/Tail

Hidden Power Fire

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Hidden Power Ice

//Grass Knot

Lol. I'd like to know how Shadow Ball on Manaphy lures the Lati's when Ice Beam can do the same thing. O_O

 

[Karxrida]

+1 Earthquake from Zard X already kills uninvested T-tar after Rocks (luring Support doesn't matter because it can easily be worn down into kill range while Mega isn't common enough to warrant wasting a move to lure it). Heatran can just be hit by D-Claw to break the Balloon since Earth Power can't kill.