Torn-T rise: Disagree. I'm with Lil Yoshi on this one, its really aggravating when your main damaging moves, not to mention your only STAB option, have 70% accuracy. Another thing I have against Torn-T is that its doesn't really 'outlast its checks' factoring in its rocks weakness (which is barely offset by Regenerator) and how status-prone it is, not to mention it isn't really naturally bulky outside of AV making it one of the easier pivots to wear down. Granted its probably one of the best Offensive Pivots we have, but I don't find it quite as 'good' as the stuff in A+ rank, definitely not to the point that its S.
Gatr rise: Agree. Sheer Force makes Feraligator hit about as hard as Gyarados without the positive nature, not to mention it doesn't have that nasty SR weakness which makes getting it in (and keeping it alive) easier. Another notable advantage is its priority to offset revenge killing attempts (which means it can go for adamant since at +1 it outspeeds the entire tier) and also the fact that it isn't relying on a move that requires a charge turn for coverage. I think its at least B-, since its better than most of the stuff in C+ and roughly as good as B- (not much is comparable, from using both I'd say its puts in as much work if not more work than Heracross)
252+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Mew: 115-136 (28.4 - 33.6%) -- 96.6% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Mew: 120-142 (29.7 - 35.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Mew: 132-156 (32.6 - 38.6%) -- 2.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Celebi drop: Neutral. Its easy to take advantage of, although its baton passing sets are pretty reliable and moderately threatening themselves. I could see this one going either way, kind of leaning towards drop though.
Weavile rise: Agree. Honestly, I feel like Weavile is a better Knock Off spammer than Bisharp, but thats just me. Overall a really good offensive pokemon that seems to steamroll every team I manage to build.
Serperior rise: Agree. Serperior is great. Contrary Leaf Storm is great, its powerful, and it snowballs pretty fast if your opponent doesn't immediately have something faster/Heatran. Granted, its kind of weak if it hasn't set up, and that turn before it goes for the first Leaf Storm is kind of exploitable/predictable.
Kyu-B rise: Neutral. I haven't used it enough to have much of an opinion. If I had to pick a side I'd say rise since I like balance and LO Kyu-B rips balance in half.
I'd like to (re)propose:
Gorebyss unranked since its niche of smash-passing is now illegal, and to my knowledge it had no other notable niche.
Smeargle drop to D for similar reasoning to Gorebyss, although Smeargle has the suicide lead thing going for it. The description of D rank is "These Pokemon are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are often severely outclassed because of it." which sounds a lot like Smeargle to me.
Clefable to S This was brought up earlier, so I won't go into too much detail, but Clefable is one of the most self-sufficienent pokemon and can fulfill so many roles on bulkier teams that often times its hard (at least for me) to justify not using it. Its a great glue and has a lot of support/movepool options to choose from.
Maybe more to come.
Gatr rise: Agree. Sheer Force makes Feraligator hit about as hard as Gyarados without the positive nature, not to mention it doesn't have that nasty SR weakness which makes getting it in (and keeping it alive) easier. Another notable advantage is its priority to offset revenge killing attempts (which means it can go for adamant since at +1 it outspeeds the entire tier) and also the fact that it isn't relying on a move that requires a charge turn for coverage. I think its at least B-, since its better than most of the stuff in C+ and roughly as good as B- (not much is comparable, from using both I'd say its puts in as much work if not more work than Heracross)
252+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Mew: 115-136 (28.4 - 33.6%) -- 96.6% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Mew: 120-142 (29.7 - 35.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Mew: 132-156 (32.6 - 38.6%) -- 2.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Celebi drop: Neutral. Its easy to take advantage of, although its baton passing sets are pretty reliable and moderately threatening themselves. I could see this one going either way, kind of leaning towards drop though.
Weavile rise: Agree. Honestly, I feel like Weavile is a better Knock Off spammer than Bisharp, but thats just me. Overall a really good offensive pokemon that seems to steamroll every team I manage to build.
Serperior rise: Agree. Serperior is great. Contrary Leaf Storm is great, its powerful, and it snowballs pretty fast if your opponent doesn't immediately have something faster/Heatran. Granted, its kind of weak if it hasn't set up, and that turn before it goes for the first Leaf Storm is kind of exploitable/predictable.
Kyu-B rise: Neutral. I haven't used it enough to have much of an opinion. If I had to pick a side I'd say rise since I like balance and LO Kyu-B rips balance in half.
I'd like to (re)propose:
Gorebyss unranked since its niche of smash-passing is now illegal, and to my knowledge it had no other notable niche.
Smeargle drop to D for similar reasoning to Gorebyss, although Smeargle has the suicide lead thing going for it. The description of D rank is "These Pokemon are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are often severely outclassed because of it." which sounds a lot like Smeargle to me.
Clefable to S This was brought up earlier, so I won't go into too much detail, but Clefable is one of the most self-sufficienent pokemon and can fulfill so many roles on bulkier teams that often times its hard (at least for me) to justify not using it. Its a great glue and has a lot of support/movepool options to choose from.
Maybe more to come.