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OU Rain Team

Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by Gelo, Nov 17, 2012.

  1. Gelo

    Gelo

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    Haven't posted a RMT in awhile and I have been using this rain team a lot.
    I think it could use a little work and I really have no clue what to do, so here is the team.

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    Politoed @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Drizzle
    EVs: HP 4/ 252 SAtk/ 252
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    -Hydro Pump
    -Focus Blast
    -Ice Beam
    -Psychic
    As stated in the title this team is a rain team. And what do rain teams need? Politoed. So here he is. I needed another special attacker for this team, so I just slapped a scarf on Politoed and gave him four attacks and thats it.

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    Tornadus-T @ Life Orb
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 4 Atk/ 252 SAtk/ 252 Spe
    Hasty Nature (+Spe, - Def)
    -Hurricane
    -U-Turn
    -Focus Blast
    -Heat Wave
    So here is the Torndaus-t. I love this thing. It regenerates its life orb recoil. Hits hard with STAB Hurricane, the perfect Special Attacker for rain. You might ask why I have heat wave in the rain. Well, if Politoed dies and my opponent sets up sun I can now use a boosted heat wave on the perdicted switch to a chlorophyll or sun abuser pokemon.

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    Ludicolo @ Leftovers
    Trait: Rain Dish
    EVs: 252 HP/ 252 SDef/ 4 SAtk
    Calm Nature (+SDef, - Atk)
    -Leech Seed
    -Toxic
    -Scald
    -Giga Drain
    You might thinking why do I have a Ludicolo, well here's the story. I was playing HeartGold, in the Battle Factory, and I got a Ludicolo. It walled things to hell, leech seeding to get back health and toxic to rack up damage. In the battle factory it had rain dance and double team. With rain dance not needed and double team illegal I decided to put dual STAB instead.

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    Foretress @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 240 HP/ 252 Def/ 16 SAtk
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spe)
    -Stealth Rocks
    -Rapid Spin
    -HP Ice
    -Volt Switch
    Foretress, my go to Def Wall. Sturdy ensures I get rocks up, and Rapid Spin because I hate hazards. These things are standard. My Foretress are special. They have HP Ice so they can wall dragons to hell and get off big damage. Volt Switch is also useful because it helps me get out off sticky situations and get some damage off.

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    Metagross @ Iron Ball
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Atk/ 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    -Trick
    -Earthquake
    -Thunder Punch
    -Bullet Punch
    Metagross is powerful. He isn't used that mush anymore though. I loved Metagross ever since I fought Steven in Pokemon Emerald. Just because he isn't as popular doesn't mean you should underestimate him. With the moves I have given him he can easily cripple a fast pokemon with trick, and do big damage with the coverage moves I have given him.

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    Toxicroak @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Dry Skin
    EVs: 252 Atk/ 252 SDef/ 4 Spe
    Careful Nature (+SDef, - SAtk)
    -Bulk Up
    -Drain Punch
    -Ice Punch
    -Sucker Punch
    The ultimate physical attacker in the game. My set has good SDef so it can take a few attacks from special hits while bulking up to get better Atk, and Def. With Ice Punch to OHKO dragons, Sucker Punch for priority, and Drain Punch to get his health back, he can both wall and sweep.

    Well, this is my team please tell me what I should do. I really want to trade out Metagross for a faster rain physical attacker, but I don't know what pokemon I should choose. I am open to all suggestions except Ferothorn > Forretress. Ferothorn is to damn mainstream.
    Gelo, Nov 17, 2012
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  2. TheStriker

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    I am tired so I will give short rate. Trick is a big problem to this team, same with entry hazards. Remember me? I am the guy who used a combo of knock off and phaze to annoy your team. Well, for now, I would recommend switching HP [Ice] on Forretress --> Gyro Ball / Spikes. Much Better.
    TheStriker, Nov 17, 2012
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  3. Gelo

    Gelo

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    Thanks. Ill keep these things in mind. I see how you could like spikes and gyroball on foretress over special attacks, but I believe either way works and I will most likely just have two different foretress with different EVs and attacks.
    Gelo, Nov 17, 2012
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  4. undisputed

    undisputed
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    Hey!

    Your team looks alright, but I think it could be much better.

    Small first suggestion: Change Heat Wave to Focus Blast on Tornadus-t. Heat Wave on a Rain team isn't the greatest idea. I think Hurricane is just about as strong if not stronger than a Super Effective Heat Wave in the Rain. On the other hand, Focus Blast will do some serious damage to Tyranitar which is always great for Rain teams.

    Second suggestion is small too. If you're going to use Ludicolo, give it Substitute instead of Toxic. Leech Seed and Toxic essentially do the same thing, so they're just redundant. Most of the time, using Leech seed and keeping your health high will be more important than Toxic. BW2 OU is very offensive, and sometimes teams won't even care about Toxic.

    Third, I don't feel as though Metagross fits your team. Metagross doesn't fit any team to be honest. Instead, you should try Sub CM Jirachi. It will give you a better Rain Sweeper to finish matches and force mid-game plays. Most importantly, it gives you some back up against Tornadus-t which, as it stands, can have its way with you assuming your Tornadus-t loses the Speed tie.

    Finally, try Swords Dance Toxicroak. I've been wanting to use Toxicroak for a while, and I think Swords Dance is the best set for the metagame right now. You don't have time to use Bulk Up with Tornadus-t, Starmie, Hippowdon, and other walls on a lot of teams. You need to go for the immediate power and get some sweeps.

    Good luck!
    undisputed, Nov 17, 2012
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  5. Jirachee

    Jirachee I devote this Custom Title to Dice, my Supreme Overlord
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    Hi

    Since you have no Electric resistance you will find yourself getting wrecked by Thundurus-T, Genesect and Rotom-W quite often. Rotom-W will spam Volt Switch all over your team weakening it a lot, which you'll have a lot of difficulty doing anything back to it. You can trick it Metagross' Iron Ball I guess but that's a very bad solution. Genesect does not always carry Thunder but if it does it could really hurt your team a ton, as firing off boosted Thunders on your team without thinking is like, the easiest thing in the world. Thundurus-T pretty much curbstomps your team everytime. Agility sets, once they have set up, are an instant 6-0 win, while Choice Scarf variants will come to the same result, but without having to set up. Obviously you'll need to do something about this. The first change you should do is swap your Ludicolo for a Life Orb Latias. Ludicolo is pretty annoying, but it's horrible when it comes to tanking hits of a type different from Water. Latias, on the other hand, offers you multiple useful resistances and a great switch in to Rotom-W and Thundurus-T. While it might not be adept at switching into Genesect, it'll stop Choice Scarf versions from beating you in 6 clicks with Thunder.

    Metagross isn't a very good Pokemon in BW2, for multiple reasons. First of all, it has horrible coverage and its counters are some of the most popular threats. It's going to hurt you more than it's going to do well, as it just isn't effective at all. Your current set isn't powerful at all, because your most powerful move on it is an unSTABed Earthquake that doesn't hit bulkier stuff very hard. I think that Bronzong could be a much better choice for your team. First of all, Bronzong allows you to check a lot of things that Metagross checked before, such as opposing Tornadus-T. It will also be able to beat Garchomp most of the time thanks to Levitate. Bronzong is generally a better check to Dragons because of its ability, and also has more Special bulk making it more useful. You'll also be able to use Stealth Rock on Zong, which gives Forretress a slot to use Spikes instead, which is going to help you a lot since more hazards mean it's easier for Tornadus-T to sweep. Overall I don't think that Bronzong will let you down, and keep in mind that it's very annoying to face Bronzong in Rain is it does not have any weakness.

    Using defense EVs without HP EVs usually isn't worth it as, HP EVs usually still boost your Pokemon's bulk a ton while also boosting its bulk on both the Physical and Special side. Try to use HP EVs instead of SpD EVs on Toxicroak, the extra physical bulk will actually help you sometimes, while the little extra Special bulk is actually nearly useless.

    Tornadus-T wants Superpower instead of Focus Blast. Superpower is a much better move for the Life Orb version, for one big reason: it allows you to wreck Tyranitar with a perfectly accurate move, with it being a guarenteed OHKO. Focus Blast isn't even guarenteed to OHKO every Tyranitar anyway, as Specially Defensive versions are bulky enough to tank it.

    Lastly, use a Timid nature on Politoed. While Modest makes up for the lack of power boosting item, Timid is generally a better choice, as it maximizes Politoed's revenge killing capabilities. Stuff like Dragonite will outspeed Modest Politoed, leaving it unable to revenge kill it with Ice Beam. However, when you're using Timid, you'll outspeed and KO it. Other dangerous things like opposing Tornadus-T will also outspeed you with Modest, so it's a very dangerous trade off to make, as the power boost isn't that big.

    Here are the sets you should use:
    Latias and Bronzong (open)

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    Latias @ Life Orb
    Levitate
    Timid
    EVs: 156 HP / 156 SpA / 196 Spe
    ~Draco Meteor
    ~Surf
    ~Psyshock
    ~Recover

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    Bronzong @ Leftovers
    Levitate
    Sassy
    EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 196 SpD
    ~Gyro Ball
    ~Earthquake
    ~Hidden Power Ice (reduce Spe IV to 2)
    ~Stealth Rock


    Good luck!
    Jirachee, Nov 17, 2012
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