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[OU RMT] Amongst the Dusk [Peaked 1778 on PS]

Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by TenaciousAfroman, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. TenaciousAfroman

    TenaciousAfroman

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    Introduction
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    Hello everyone. I've been getting back into the Pokemon metagame a lot this past month, and I have been developing a team I would like to succeed. I am in big favor of Terrakion, easily becoming one of my favorite Pokemon due to his sheer and brutal force of shredding teams with his massive attack stat and above average speed stat. The only problem is my teams have been struggling lately, starting off strong and slowly finishing off low, and I could use some help. I know 1778 isn't as impressive, but I was in the 1800's somewhere but I didn't have a save of where I was exactly and I dropped a lot today so I just took a screenshot here. Like I said in the title, my team's have been doing a lot of work, but could also use some help to finish off the final touches. Long behold, here is the team building process.


    Team Building Process:
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    Step 1:
    Here was a crucial step in my opinion. As you read my intro you probably understood my first choice of Pokemon, Terrakion.

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    Terrakion by himself is a sure force to deal with. Having the correct utensils around him make him key. Since I'm planning on running a revenge killer Terrakion, I need to find an assortment of pokes who can dent the opponents team, and let Terrakion come in and sweep them up.

    Step 2:
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    So far, I've encountered various different stealth rock leads. Amongst which are good, above average, and very gimmicky. I decided to go a common stealth rock lead, and also a pokemon who can take a lot of hits, Deoxys-D.
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    With access to high defense stats, along with Spikes & Stealth Rock Deoxys-D found his way into my team rather early. With his mediocre speed, I'm able to outspeed a good portion of normal stealth rock pokes in this metagame.

    Step 3:
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    With these two Pokemon here, I found myself needing a Pokemon who can nullify the use of rapid spin. With massive threats in entry hazard, anyone with access to rapid spin is going to want to use it. Also helping to key in on one of Terrakion's fighting weaknesses, I found Gengar would be a great fit to this team.
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    Providing me with resistance to rapid spin and fighting attacks, while also being able to do some damage on his own, and also being one of my favorite pokes, Gengar made a strong appeal at this spot.

    Step 4:
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    Finding a little Scizor weakness starting early, and Terrakion having a real hard time getting around a bullet puncher, I decided I needed a trapper Pokemon. Someone with an ability to keep a Pokemon in, while being able to benefit my team. I decided Magnezone, with Magnet Pull, would be the best option.

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    Magnezone will provide me with Magnet Pull, which will trap Skarmory and Scizors which could possibly give my team trouble. With various sets, I could switch into a bullet punch and be able to set up a sub and get some damage done or just switch in and set up some screen support.

    Step 5:
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    With lack of priority, a hard hitting priority poke could be essential helping out incase a poke would set up on me and already have a speed advantage or incase i have no other choice and it outspeeds me. I decided that a Scizor would be my best bet in this scenario.

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    Scizor is a commonly used poke nowadays due to his high attack stab, and useful STAB Technician boosted Bullet Punch & U-Turn. U-turn will help me scout other pokes, while bullet punch can help with priority and his steel typing helps with resistances which could be essential to helping out Terrakion & Gengar.

    Step 6:
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    It's the game of the dragon. It is rare you find a team without a dragon type pokemon nowadays, even weather teams are running them. I decided a hard hitting dragon, with good bulk would be helpful on this team. Obviously due to his massive bulk, and multiscale ability, Dragonite made the cut.

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    Dragonite will help set up mid game, and dent the other person's team. With bulk and multiscale, with no SR up, Dragonite can switch in to almost virtually any attack. This helps out a lot with various scenarios, and his typing isn't terrible just his ice weakness which is very well covered by Magnezone & Scizor.

    Step 7:
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    Sadly Magnezone wasn't working out as well as expected, not being of much use, and losing me a lot of games. I decided to switch him out with a new poke I wanted to try with a lot more fire power, Keldeo.

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    Keldeo is a much more feared pokemon than Magnezone, and with good reason. His move pool may be lacking, but he can pack a punch. STAB Hydro Pump hits everything hard, and with Hidden Power coverage his movepool covers almost everything Terrakion can't handle.



    Team at a Glance:

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    Team In-Depth:

    Changes are bolded and in red


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    Deoxys (Deoxys-D) @ Red Card
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Spikes - to help set up entry hazards for later game sweeps
    - Taunt - help prevent another poke from taunting this or setting up stealth rocks
    - Stealth Rock - to help with pokemon's health late games by hurting them with entry hazards
    - Magic Coat

    The welcoming committee most people wish they wouldn't meet. The speedy spiker variant from Smogon sets, Deoxys-D purpose is to just set up and make it a pain to switch in and out during the game. The purpose of Mental Herb is simple, Deoxys-D isn't the fastest kid on the playground. If another poke who outruns Deoxys uses Taunt, I can brush off their taunt, and then use a taunt of my own to prevent that from happening again. It helps a lot with Sableyes, and other Deoxys-D. Honestly, this poke doesn't virtually have a key role on my team besides setting up, usually I leave him to die and don't carry him more than on average 4 turns a match. So far he's served me well, real well.

    Synergy:
    Bug
    - Scizor, Dragonite, Gengar
    Ghost - Scizor, Dragonite
    Dark - Scizor, Keldeo, Terrakion


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    Terrakion @ Choice Band
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Close Combat - main STAB move, primary move to use to help clean up
    - Stone Edge - other STAB move, helps with pokes who resist fighting
    - Zen Headbutt

    - Earthquake

    The mastermind behind the show. Terrakion himself. A standard Choice Band / Scarf set here. I decided to run Scarf over band just due to revenge sweeping purposes. Late game, I want him outspeeding everything in sight. With his massive attack stat, with massive damage dealing STAB moves, not many things find it pleasant switching in or taking a hit from Terrakion. With help from Deoxys-D's entry hazards, and weakened pokes, Terrakion does a good job taking the role of the janitor on my team, sweeping everyone away.

    Synergy:
    Fighting - Gengar, Dragonite, Deoxys-D
    Ground - Gengar, Dragonite
    Steel - Scizor, Keldeo
    Water - Keldeo, Dragonite
    Grass - Gengar, Dragonite, Scizor
    Psychic - Scizor, Deoxys-D


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    Keldeo @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature
    - Hydro Pump -
    main STAB move, used for dealing massive damage to opponents
    - Secret Sword - STAB move, used for dealing massive damage to opponents
    - Surf
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    The other revenge sweeper on this team, Terrakion's opening show if you would want to call it. Taking the place of Magnezone, I haven't had much problem saying I prefer Keldeo on this team. With great stats, and a decent move pool Keldeo does a good job taking care of what Terrakion can't. Keldeo, unlike Terrakion, I use more in the middle and beginning of matches. I switch him in just to dent something hard with Hydro Pump or to get a sure kill on something. Keldeo helps deal with a lot of threats Terrakion can't handle, and his role on this team is vital.


    Synergy:

    Flying- Dragonite, Scizor
    Grass - Scizor, Dragonite, Gengar
    Electric - Dragonite
    Psychic - Scizor, Deoxys-D


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    Dragonite (M) @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Multiscale
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Dance - to help set up D-Nite
    - Outrage - STAB dragon attack, used for dealing massive damage on walls
    - Fire Punch - helps take out Ferrothorn and other steels
    - ExtremeSpeed - extra priority, helps with already set up pokes

    The goofiest dragon of them all, Dragonite plays a huge role on this team. Due to his bulkiness, and multiscale ability he acts as a wall who can punish. Coming in on Choice users, and abusing his type advantage I'll come in and set up a dragon dance and dent the other team's pokes. I usually use outrage but am considering using Dragon Claw due to the fact Outrage traps me in the move. I run Lum berry to help out with that problem, and also to allow Dragonite to be a status absorber if no one else can really take it.


    Synergy:

    Rock - Scizor, Keldeo
    Ice - Scizor, Keldeo
    Dragon - Scizor, Keldeo, Deoxys-D


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    Scizor (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Bullet Punch - main STAB move, does a crap ton of damage and helps with other Terrakions and priority
    - Quick Attack
    - Superpower - to help kill annoying Ferrothorn or other steel type pokemon
    - Swords Dance


    Scizor, scizor, scizor. Isn't everyone getting tired of seeing him around. Such an effective poke in the past two generations due to his new ability technician, Scizor finds his way onto my team as well. Running a standard Choice Band set, Scizor's typing and his priority moves make him a very helpful poke to carry on my team. I enjoy his bulk and power while being able to take some hits Gengar, Terrakion, Dragonite or Keldeo can't. Pursuit is to help trap Gengar's and other annoying ghost type pokemon who give Terrakion trouble.

    Synergy:

    Fire
    - Dragonite, Keldeo


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    Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Destiny Bond
    - Taunt
    - Shadow Ball - main STAB move, to help damage the opponent
    - Focus Blast - help hit anything shadow ball can't, high damage attack

    Last but not least, my main man Gengar. Boy do I hate going against this set, but love running it. There are few things more annoying than playing against an effective Sub Disable Gengar. Due to his great speed & special attack stat, Gengar does a good job of denting the other team, while throwing the other player's mindset off by annoying them beyond belief. Gengar helps with resistances which are key for my team.

    Synergy:

    Psychic
    - Scizor, Deoxys-D
    Ghost - Scizor, Dragonite
    Dark - Scizor, Terrakion, Keldeo



    Threat List:
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    Standard OU Offensive Threat

    [​IMG] Abomasnow:
    • Mixed Attacker - Scizor, Gengar
    • Choice Scarf - Scizor, Gengar, Terrakion (If needed)
    [​IMG] Alakazam:
    • Focus Sash - Scizor, Dragonite, Keldeo
    • Offensive Calm Mind - Scizor, Dragonite, Keldeo
    [​IMG] Azelf:
    • Lead - Deoxys-D, Scizor, Keldeo, Dragonite
    • Dual Screens - Deoxys-D, Scizor, Keldeo, Dragonite
    • Nasty Plot - Scizor, Keldeo, Dragonite
    • Choice Band - Scizor, Keldeo
    [​IMG] Azumarill:
    • Choice Band - Dragonite, Keldeo
    *troubles*

    [​IMG] Breloom:
    • Physical Attacker - Gengar, Scizor, Dragonite
    • Choice Band / Choice Scarf - Gengar, Scizor, Dragonite
    • Bulk Up - Gengar, Scizor, Dragonite
    • Sub Punch - Gengar, Scizor, Dragonite
    [​IMG] Celebi:
    • Tinkerbell - Terrakion, Dragonite, Gengar
    • Nasty Plot Sweeper - Terrakion, Dragonite, Gengar
    • Choice Specs / Choice Scarf - Terrakion, Gengar
    [​IMG] Cloyster:
    • Shell Smash - Scizor, Dragonite
    *troubles*

    [​IMG] Conkeldurr:
    • Bulk Up - Gengar, Keldeo, Dragonite
    • Flame Orb + 3 Attacks - Gengar, Keldeo
    [​IMG] Darmanitan:
    • Choice Scarf / Band - Keldeo, Dragonite
    • Life Orb - Keldeo, Gengar, Dragonite, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Deoxys-D:
    • Fast Spiker - Deoxys-D, Terrakion, Gengar
    [​IMG] Dragonite:
    • Dragon Dance - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Choice Band - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Mixed - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Parashuffler - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Rain Abuse - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo, Scizor
    [​IMG] Dugtrio:
    • Focus Sash - Scizor, Keldeo
    • Choice Band - Scizor, Keldeo
    [​IMG] Empoleon:
    • Agility - Gengar, Terrakion
    • Choice Specs - Gengar, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Espeon:
    • Baton Pass - Scizor, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Dual Screens - Scizor, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Garchomp:
    • Swords Dance - Keldeo, Scizor, Gengar
    • Choice Band - Keldeo, Scizor, Gengar
    • Choice Scarf - Keldeo, Terrakion, Scizor
    [​IMG] Genesect:
    • Choice Scarf / Band - Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Rock Polish - Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Expert Belt - Keldeo, Terrakion
    *troubles*

    [​IMG] Gengar:
    • Substitute + Disable / Pain Split - Gengar, Scizor, Keldeo
    [​IMG] Gorebyss:
    • SmashPass - Keldeo, Scizor, Gengar
    • Shell Smash Sweeper - Keldeo, Scizor
    [​IMG] Gothitelle:
    • Choice Scarf / Specs - Scizor, Gengar, Keldeo, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Gyarados:
    • Offensive / Bulky Dragon Dance - Keldeo, Dragonite, Gengar, Terrakion
    • Choice Band - Dragonite, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Choice Scarf - Dragonite, Keldeo, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Haxorus:
    • Choice Scarf / Choice Band - Keldeo, Dragonite, Scizor
    • Dragon Dance - Keldeo, Dragonite
    • Swords Dance - Keldeo, Dragonite
    [​IMG] Heatran:
    • Choice Scarf / Specs - Keldeo, Terrakion, Gengar
    • Air Balloon - Keldeo, Terrakion, Gengar
    [​IMG] Hydreigon:
    • Mixed Attacker - Keldeo, Terrakion, Gengar
    • Choice Specs / Scarf - Keldeo Terrakion
    • Substitute - Gengar, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Expert Belt - Keldeo, Terrakion, Gengar
    [​IMG] Infernape:

    • Choice Band / Choice Scarf - Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Mixed Attacker - Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Nasty Plot / Swords Dance booster - Keldeo, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Jirachi:
    • Substitute + Calm Mind / Substitute + 3 Attacks - Dragonite
    • Wish + Calm Mind - Dragonite
    • Expert Belt - Dragonite
    • Choice Scarf - Keldeo, Terrakion
    *troubles*

    [​IMG] Keldeo:
    • Choice Scarf / Specs - Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Calm Mind - Keldeo, Terrakion, Gengar
    *troubles*

    [​IMG] Kingdra:
    • Choice Specs - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Rain Dance - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo, Scizor
    • Dragon Dance - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo, Scizor
    [​IMG] Kyurem:
    • Choice - Scizor, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Substitute + 3 Attacks - Terrakion, Scizor, Keldeo
    • Substitute + Roost - Terrakion, Scizor, Keldeo
    [​IMG] Kyurem-B:
    • Substitute - Terrakion, Scizor, Keldeo
    • Substitute + Dragon Tail -Terrakion, Scizor, Keldeo
    • Choice Band - Terrakion, Scizor, Keldeo
    • Mixed - Terrakion, Scizor, Keldeo
    • Choice Scarf - Terrakion, Scizor, Keldeo
    [​IMG] Landorus:
    • Rock Polish / Swords Dance - Keldeo, Scizor
    • Special Attacker - Keldeo, Scizor
    • Choice Scarf - Keldeo, Scizor
    • Substitute + 3 Attacks - Keldeo, Scizor
    [​IMG] Landorus-T:
    • Stealth Rock - Keldeo, Scizor
    • Swords Dance / Rock Polish - Keldeo, Scizor
    • Substitute + 3 Attacks - Keldeo, Scizor
    • Gravity - Keldeo, Scizor
    • Choice Scarf - Keldeo, Scizor
    [​IMG] Latias:
    • Life Orb - Dragonite, Scizor, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Choice Specs / Scarf - Dragonite, Scizor, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Calm Mind - Dragonite, Scizor, Keldeo, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Latios:
    • Life Orb / Expert Belt - Dragonite, Scizor, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Choice Scarf / Specs - Dragonite, Scizor, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Calm Mind - Dragonite, Scizor, Keldeo, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Lucario:
    • Swords Dance - Dragonite
    *troubles*

    [​IMG] Magnezone:
    • Substitute - Terrakion, Gengar, Dragonite
    • Choice Scarf / Specs - Terrakion, Gengar, Dragonite
    [​IMG] Mamoswine:
    • Physical Attacker - Keldeo, Scizor, Terrakion
    • Focus Sash + Endeavor - Keldeo, Scizor, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Meloetta:
    • Relic Song Mixed Attacker - Terrakion, Scizor, Gengar
    • Calm Mind + 3 Attacks / Substitute - Terrakion, Scizor, Gengar
    [​IMG] Metagross:
    • Stealth Rock - Dragonite, Gengar, Keldeo
    • Choice Scarf / Band - Dragonite, Gengar, Keldeo
    • Agility - Gengar, Dragonite, Keldeo
    [​IMG] Mew:
    • Stealth Rock - Scizor, Gengar, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Baton Pass - Scizor, Gengar, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Nasty Plot - Scizor, Gengar, Keldeo, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Mienshao:
    • All-Out Attacker - Scizor, Keldeo, Gengar
    • Choice Scarf / Band - Scizor, Keldeo, Gengar
    [​IMG] Ninetales:
    • Special Attacker - Keldeo, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Politoed:
    • Choice Specs / Scarf - Keldeo, Gengar
    • 3 Attacks - Keldeo, Gengar
    [​IMG] Reuniclus:
    • Offensive Trick Room- Scizor, Terrakion, Gengar
    • Calm Mind - Scizor, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Rotom-C:
    • Support - Scizor, Terrakion
    • Choice Scarf / Specs - Scizor, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Rotom-W:
    • Support - Terrakion, Keldeo, Gengar
    • Choice Scarf / Specs - Keldeo, Gengar
    [​IMG] Salamence:
    • Dragon Dance - Dragonite, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Mixed - Dragonite, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Choice Scarf / Band - Dragonite, Keldeo, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Scizor:
    • Choice Band - Keldeo, Dragonite
    • Swords Dance - Keldeo, Dragonite
    • Bulky Swords Dance - Keldeo, Dragonite
    [​IMG] Scrafty:
    • Dragon Dance - Terrakion, Keldeo, Scizor
    • Bulk Up - Terrakion, Keldeo, Scizor, Gengar
    [​IMG] Sharpedo:
    • Speed Boost - Scizor, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Smeargle:
    • Hazard Lead - Deoxys-D, Keldeo, Terrakion
    • Baton Pass - Deoxys-D, Keldeo, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Starmie:
    • Life Orb - Keldeo, Terrakion, Gengar
    • Choice Specs - Keldeo, Terrakion, Gengar
    [​IMG] Stoutland:
    • Choice Band - Scizor, Dragonite, Terrakion
    • Non Choice - Scizor, Dragonite, Terrakion
    [​IMG] Terrakion:
    • Substitute + Swords Dance / Salac Berry - Scizor, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Choice Band / Choice Scarf- Terrakion, Scizor, Keldeo
    • Double Dance - Terrakion, Scizor, Keldeo
    [​IMG] Thundurus-T:
    • Nasty Plot - Terrakion, Dragonite
    • Agility - Terrakion, Scizor, Dragonite
    • Choice Scarf - Terrakion, Scizor, Dragonite
    [​IMG] Tornadus:
    • Tailwind - Terrakion, Keldeo, Dragonite, Scizor
    [​IMG] Tornadus-T:
    • Standard - Scizor, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Choice Specs - Scizor, Terrakion, Keldeo
    [​IMG] Toxicroak:
    • Swords Dance - Scizor, Terrakion, Gengar
    • Bulk Up - Scizor, Terrakion, Gengar
    • SubPunch - Scizor, Terrakion, Gengar
    [​IMG] Tyranitar:
    • Choice Band - Terrakion, Scizor
    • Choice Scarf - Terrakion, Scizor
    • MixTar - Terrakion, Scizor
    [​IMG] Venusaur:
    • Growth - Scizor, Dragonite
    *troubles*

    [​IMG] Victini:
    • Choice Band / Scarf - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Special Attacker - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo
    [​IMG] Virizion:
    • Calm Mind - Keldeo, Scizor, Dragonite
    • Swords Dance - Keldeo, Scizor, Dragonite
    [​IMG] Volcarona:
    • Offensive Quiver Dance - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Bulky Quiver Dance / Roost - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Chesto Rest - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo
    • Substitute - Dragonite, Terrakion, Keldeo


    Importable:


    Code:
    [SIZE=2][COLOR=Purple][SIZE=6][SIZE=6][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]Deoxys (Deoxys-D) @ Mental Herb
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Spikes
    - Taunt
    - Stealth Rock
    - Night Shade
    
    Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge
    - X-Scissor
    - Rock Slide
    
    Keldeo @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature
    - Hydro Pump
    - Secret Sword
    - Surf
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    
    Dragonite (M) @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Multiscale
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Fire Punch
    - ExtremeSpeed
    
    Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 232 HP / 252 Atk / 24 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Bullet Punch
    - U-turn
    - Superpower
    - Pursuit
    
    Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Substitute
    - Disable
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast[/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE]
  2. Dice

    Dice what's a god to a nonbeliever
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    Hey there!

    This is a great example of Deo-D Offense. It's rather standard, so I won't have many suggestions, but I hope I can help! First of all, the biggest problems your team has to face is opposing Rotom-W and Starmie. Pokémon that set up on your Deoxys-D are troublesome as well, like SubSalac Terrakion. Rotom-W is rather troublesome due your lack of an Electric-resist and Starmie can easily spin past Gengar and you have no other means of OHKO'ing it before it can spin. To help break Rotom-W, I really recommend trying out a Choice Band Terrakion instead of a Choice Scarf. You already have a revenge killer in Keldeo and having two Choice Scarfers with the same exact speed is rather redundant. Also, use Zen Headbutt on your Terrakion instead of Rock Slide to OHKO all varients of the troublesome Toxicroak and it helps vs Gengar and the Nido's. To help with the Starmie issue, there are a few things you can try out. I think the easiest way to help deal with it is to use a Focus Sash Gengar. The set, which can easily be adjusted, can kill Starmie will proper switching. Tentacruel, Forretress, etc. as well. Since you're reliant on Dragonite against sun I would say that Taunt / Focus Blast / Shadow Ball / Destiny Bond would be the ideal set. Taunt helps again things trying to set hazards like Hippowdon and Jirachi to keep Multiscale. Destiny Bond gives you means of KO'ing things like Tentacruel. To help against your issue versus Pokémon that can set-up on Deoxys-D, try out a Red Card on it and Magic Coat instead of Night Shade. Magic Coat allows you to beat opposing Deoxys-D, Sableye, etc. just like Mental Herb. Lastly, using Hydro Pump / Surf / Hidden Power Ice / Secret Sword is ideal on Keldeo because HP Electric is weak, not even 2HKO'ing Jellicent, and is fairly useless.

    Sorry I couldn't help a lot with your team, but good luck!
  3. Cinco Diablo

    Cinco Diablo formerly Dr Ciel

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    Hello.

    Cool weatherless Hyper offense team you got here. Hyper Offense is really common in any forme, and I have to say that weatherless is the best, in my opinion, so I give you some huge props for that. Anyways, you have a really well presented team here, and hopefully with this rate, it can become even better. So, without wasting any more time, let's get on to the rate! Alright, first up, I agree with Princess Bri's suggestion of Red Card over Rocky Helmet. The usage of Red Card is simple, if you get hit by any attack while setting up your hazards, Red Card activates to force the opposing Pokemon to switch-out, giving you a free layer of hazards, which is always nice. Staying on Deoxys-D, I suggest that you use Thunder Wave over Taunt on it. Thunder Wave can cripple opposing leads and also helps against speedy attackers, which this team seems to have trouble with. Moving forward, on Terrakion, I suggest running a Jolly Nature over your current Adamant Nature. The extra power isn't really worth losing the jump on several key Pokemon. Next up, I suggest that you run a spread of 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD on your Scizor over your current one. The 248 HP EVs maximize Scizors bulk, while also giving it an extra opperiunity to switch into Stealth Rock. Finally, I would use a Sub+ Pain Split set over your current one. The SubSplit set takes a more offensive approach to the SubDisable set, which is more defensive. This set is most notably for taking out Blissey. While Wish and Softboiled have 16 PP each, Pain Split has 32 PP, which forces Blissey to constantly heal itself or be at risk of being KO'd. Well, that's all I have to say for this now. I hope my advice helped. Have fun and good luck with your team!

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    Gengar @ Life Orb Lv. 100 -- Levitate

    Nature: Timid - EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

    - Substitute
    - Pain Split
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast


    ~Dr Ciel~ (The doctor is OUT)
  4. Mr. Green

    Mr. Green

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    Hi, there

    Good team, not individual weaknesses details. What is known, however, that you have three revenge-killer, one with Choice Band and Choice Scarf with two, all three can be used with these moveset ground setup for the opponent, which can cause extensive damage to the team, also would have difficulty fighting the stall team with all the Choice Items. So to lessen the chance of opponent and setup to better combat the Stall team, I'd Scizor with Swords Dance, which once septate the entry hazards, after he danced really is capable of doing great damage, especially with Bullet Punch, and to give a hand against the stall team Wallbreaker you will need a really powerful, so I would use Choice Band Terrakion Jolly nature with Quick Attack> X-Scissor, this is because with X-Scissor the only one who could hit that comes to mind is Celebi, the which the damage already filled with Stone Edge and Earthquake> Rock Slide, since you already have a move that rock is Stone Edge. Jolly nature to try not to lose the speed tie against other Keldeo and Terrakion and still exceed the 100 base Speed ​​not Scarf, Quick Attack instead is a big priority for Terrakion Bander, capable of hitting Pokemon faster and kill.

    Keldeo foul Timid, always for the speech of Terrakion, not to lose the tie and Speed ​​to outrun the 100 base Speed ​​not Scarf., Also suggest HP Ice> HP Electric and Surf> Icy Wind. Surf has 100% accuracy with respect to Hydro Pump, Surf many times just to kill the opponent without the risk of using Hydro Pump which then may fail, Hydro Pump is usually sought when one can not do without for a given Okho. HP Ice is obviously for the Dragons, Gliscor and Landorus, basically.

    For Deoxys-D, I propose Red Card> Mental Herb and Magic Coat> Night Shade, I have always found it better with this since the Red Card sends back Statupper annoying and covers in case of difficulty, Magic Coat instead do as Mental Herb protects against status. As a final step would try maybe for Dragonite the nature Adamant right to get more damage by Extremespeed above. That is all.
    Good luck,with your team!

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    Scizor (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Bullet Punch
    - Bug Bite
    - Roost

    Choice Band > Choice Scarf (for Terrakion)
    Quick Attack > X-Scissor (for Terrakion)
    Earthquake > Rock Slide (for Terrakion)
    Jolly > Adamant (for Terrakion)
    Timid > Modest (for Keldeo)
    HP Ice > HP Electric (for Keldeo)
    Surf > Icy Wind (for Keldeo)
    Red Card > Mental Herb (for Deoxys-D)
    Magic Coat > Night Shade (Deoxys-D)
    Adamant > Jolly (for Dragonite)
  5. Neliel

    Neliel Sacred Sword

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    Yo, as everyone else said its better if you put Choice band terrakion over your current set, mostly because you already have a powerfull revenge killer which is Keldeo, so that you can abuse the full potential of Kion.
    On keldeo, i think you should put Surf over icy wind, and replace hp eletric with hp ice. Simply you cant risk a miss if you need to revenge kill something, so surf is really needed. Hp eletric doesnt even do much other than catching Gyarados, which isnt even a trheath here. Hp ice in other hand lets you hit DD Nite and Scarfmence for a solid ko.

    Now, i think you can abuse of Sword dance scizor over your current set. simply put, Life orb Sword dance scizor still does the same job of Cb, revenge killing important stuff with his powerfull bullet punch, while also giving you something to break walls. It also helps a bit against other scizor, since you can setup on bullet punches if they revenge killed your terrakion. In general, you dont need to U-turn, since you lack of any other volt switch/u-turn to complement this strategy, and since Cb will lock you into a move this can probably be risky, since it offers chance to setup for your opponent. The set i recommend is Bullet punch / Sword dance / Superpower / Quick attack, with a life orb and a spread of 252 atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe with an adamant nature. Quick attacks lets you hit all the things that resists steel, like Fire pokemon, Water and eletric for great damage. You will be suprised of how usefull quick attack can be on Sword dance scizor. Thats it i guess, hope i helped!
  6. TenaciousAfroman

    TenaciousAfroman

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    @ Princess Bri - Thanks a lot for the rate! Your suggestions have helped out tremendously. For starters we will talk about Terrakion. I changed my style with him & made Keldeo the prime revenge sweeper and Terrakion is fitting nicely in his new place. Denting opponents with Choice Band barely anything wants to switch in. I have been trying Zen Headbutt on it, and it is working out nicely. For Gengar, this set is working out beautifully. It has helped me tremendously by tricking rapid spinners, and destiny bonding them away to death by surprise. I have tricked 3/4 opponents I have faced trying to use that strategy, the off balance of the set helps make the gimmick work to a tee. I have been trying Red Card and it's been working out beautifully, but Magic Coat I'm still shaky on, not really finding a whole big usage on it yet. Also I'm using that Keldeo set and it's helping me just obliterate teams! Thanks for the rate, helped out a lot!

    @ Dr Ciel - Thanks a lot for the rate! Thanks, I'm finding weather teams to be a pain to make now, and just extremely redundent. I like being able to use a more assortment of pokes, rather than be stuck with the same 4 on a team. I am going to try Thunder Wave over Taunt, and maybe I'll find usage of Magic Coat then. I shall try that. Also I changed my Terrakion's nature when I was suggested Choice Band just to help with speed issues. , and I am currently running your Scizor set and it's working to a beaut. I did try PainSplit Gar, but Focus Sash Destiny Bond Gengar is working out much better than expected, and has surpassed SubSplit Gar but a lot surprisingly. Thank you for the rate though!

    @ Mr. Green - Thanks a lot for the rate! I am going to try Quick Attack over something on Terrakion to see how that works out, which will be helping by giving my team another priority attacker. I have done most of the other switches however, and they all have been working out well. I'll try Timid over Modest on Keldeo, but I don't think I need it due to my priority bulk on my team, which can help me take out a Terrakion no problem. I will try it and see how it works. Thanks for the rate!

    @ Neliel Tu Oderschavank - Thanks a lot for the rate! I have tried Swords Dance on Scizor and it has helped out tremendously it's insane! I'm being able to set up a free Swords Dance on switches and i'm not getting trapt as easily or worrying about being trapt. Thanks for the suggestion.


    Other suggestions are welcome! I'm going to post latter team details and the success of the changes a little later just to help get more rates and improve this team! Keep the rates coming!

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