Nice to see people play weatherless teams.
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OU Stats (June 2013)
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Nice to see people play weatherless teams.
Never said they weren't bad just saying it's nice not to see as many people play weather teams.
hmm the changes of last month are the opposite of what they should be, mostly because of the increase of new players this summer. On a more interesting note in regular stats dragonite is 3% above garchomp, but in 1850 stats garchomp is just above dragonite. I feel this is important because dragonite should be lower as it requires a spinner to truly shine (25% from rocks doesn't compare to chomps 8%) And with garchomps better stabs and speed I see no reason for using dragonite.
i feel the drop in salamences usage is sorta undeserved. Running intimidate makes up for his mediocre defenses and allows you to switch moves (making people fear sending in their steel types to wall outrage). People just avoid it because of the difficulty to snowball with moxie especially when you get 2 hit by scizors bullet punch
i feel the drop in salamences usage is sorta undeserved. Running intimidate makes up for his mediocre defenses and allows you to switch moves (making people fear sending in their steel types to wall outrage). People just avoid it because of the difficulty to snowball with moxie especially when you get 2 hit by scizors bullet punch
Terrakion | -2.56604%
Conkeldurr | +0.66482% |
| Toxicroak | +0.62428% |
Infernape | +1.25895% |
| Heracross | +0.44238% |
| Gallade | +0.36650% |
Explain please.
Conkeldurr | +0.66482% |
| Toxicroak | +0.62428% |
Infernape | +1.25895% |
| Heracross | +0.44238% |
| Gallade | +0.36650% |
Explain please.
I really have no idea what happened to Terrakion, perhaps it isn't as useful as it once was in this high paced metagame? I would like other opinions on this because it dropped a ton.
Conkeldurr has gotten some renewed use in recent months because of the newly popularized Sheer Force set.
Toxicroak and Infernape are always shifting up and down, the increased Toxicroak use may be from some players experimenting with different and new sets like ones with Toxic to stall. The rest are rather inconsequential.
Conkeldurr has gotten some renewed use in recent months because of the newly popularized Sheer Force set.
Toxicroak and Infernape are always shifting up and down, the increased Toxicroak use may be from some players experimenting with different and new sets like ones with Toxic to stall. The rest are rather inconsequential.
Terrakion I believe went down in usage because of Landorus-I. It was the suspect, and so I guess it was being used more on the ladder meaning Terrakion was being used less? That's just an estimated guess, but it sounds rather logical.
Conkeldurr raised in usage because of the new Sheer Force set (like Scarfwynaut set), and Toxicroak raised in usage, because people are starting to realise that it's a great counter to Terrakion (maybe another reason why it fell in usage?), Breloom, Keldeo, and other physical attackers.
As for the other 3 I can't really explain. The ladder isn't that great to indicate what's good and what isn't in the current metagame.
Conkeldurr raised in usage because of the new Sheer Force set (like Scarfwynaut set), and Toxicroak raised in usage, because people are starting to realise that it's a great counter to Terrakion (maybe another reason why it fell in usage?), Breloom, Keldeo, and other physical attackers.
As for the other 3 I can't really explain. The ladder isn't that great to indicate what's good and what isn't in the current metagame.
Wait Toxicroak is a great counter to Terrakion o_O
*Looks at Terrakion vs Toxicroak calcs*
How am I just learning this now!?
*Looks at Terrakion vs Toxicroak calcs*
How am I just learning this now!?
Pretty much this explains the weird usage trends we saw this month.
Infernape didn't get better, nor did Terrakion become bad (lol). Scizor also saw an increase in usage. Basically these are more "familiar" pokemon for many that are seeing a boost from the influx of more casual players.
Yeah, I mean you have to invest into Defense, but I actually used it in my last RMT because of the reasons said. It forms a great defensive core with Latias in the rain ^>^
Espeon is #25?
Latias is #37?
Does anyone see anything wrong with this? And how can people argue that weather is broken when 1/2 of every team is weatherless?
(Obviously, that last question was not serious. These stats are hard to take seriously. Because seriously, Infernape is still on the charts ffs)
| 25 | Celebi | 8.27514% | 122473 | 6.806% | 98865 | 6.842% |
| 26 | Infernape | 8.10874% | 159910 | 8.887% | 129262 | 8.945% |
| 27 | Landorus | 8.03206% | 104431 | 5.804% | 80192 | 5.550% |
| 28 | Cloyster | 7.92746% | 168987 | 9.391% | 132528 | 9.171% |
| 29 | Tentacruel | 7.72284% | 120030 | 6.670% | 94338 | 6.528% |
| 30 | Mamoswine | 7.65526% | 112871 | 6.273% | 89900 | 6.221% |
| 31 | Gyarados | 7.43557% | 131639 | 7.316% | 104636 | 7.241% |
| 32 | Jellicent | 7.35878% | 112669 | 6.261% | 92424 | 6.396% |
| 34 | Conkeldurr | 6.84738% | 112509 | 6.252% | 90333 | 6.251% |
| 35 | Thundurus-Therian | 6.74858% | 100716 | 5.597% | 79368 | 5.492% |
| 36 | Venusaur | 6.67571% | 123266 | 6.850% | 94077 | 6.510% |
| 37 | Latias | 6.35002% | 92538 | 5.143% | 71029 | 4.915% |
| 39 | Donphan | 6.11248% | 97080 | 5.395% | 81887 | 5.667% |
Can someone find what is very very wrong with this picture? (The Celebi is mentioned to give you an idea where the bolded Pokemon stands in usage stats on PS)
Protip: Look in the bolded selection.
Latias is #37?
Does anyone see anything wrong with this? And how can people argue that weather is broken when 1/2 of every team is weatherless?
(Obviously, that last question was not serious. These stats are hard to take seriously. Because seriously, Infernape is still on the charts ffs)
| 25 | Celebi | 8.27514% | 122473 | 6.806% | 98865 | 6.842% |
| 26 | Infernape | 8.10874% | 159910 | 8.887% | 129262 | 8.945% |
| 27 | Landorus | 8.03206% | 104431 | 5.804% | 80192 | 5.550% |
| 28 | Cloyster | 7.92746% | 168987 | 9.391% | 132528 | 9.171% |
| 29 | Tentacruel | 7.72284% | 120030 | 6.670% | 94338 | 6.528% |
| 30 | Mamoswine | 7.65526% | 112871 | 6.273% | 89900 | 6.221% |
| 31 | Gyarados | 7.43557% | 131639 | 7.316% | 104636 | 7.241% |
| 32 | Jellicent | 7.35878% | 112669 | 6.261% | 92424 | 6.396% |
| 34 | Conkeldurr | 6.84738% | 112509 | 6.252% | 90333 | 6.251% |
| 35 | Thundurus-Therian | 6.74858% | 100716 | 5.597% | 79368 | 5.492% |
| 36 | Venusaur | 6.67571% | 123266 | 6.850% | 94077 | 6.510% |
| 37 | Latias | 6.35002% | 92538 | 5.143% | 71029 | 4.915% |
| 39 | Donphan | 6.11248% | 97080 | 5.395% | 81887 | 5.667% |
Can someone find what is very very wrong with this picture? (The Celebi is mentioned to give you an idea where the bolded Pokemon stands in usage stats on PS)
Protip: Look in the bolded selection.
I think i have it. Infernape is being used more than Gyarados. And Conk is #34.
No. It's being used more than Latias and Tentacruel and Jellicent and Mamoswine and Thundurus-Therian, which are all 100% better than Infernape. Or maybe not. Someone has got to explain this to me :<
At least, if they want these stats to be taken seriously they do.
| Keldeo | -1.28204% |
Ok I'm done. *sigh*
At least, if they want these stats to be taken seriously they do.
| Keldeo | -1.28204% |
Ok I'm done. *sigh*
Yeah that too. Well they kinda have different roles though. I know when i used it i used it to fake out, taunt, set up rocks and then LO Flare Blitz till death. Which works untill you face a HO team then Fake out and set up rocks with a sash is all you are going to be doing with ape. Of course you can use it on sun to be a hard hitter but i find darm works better in the physical department and Rotom-H works better in the special department but that weakness to rocks. It could go mixed however which is a bonus. Tenta and Jelli (at least from what i seen) are used in rain for utility and support. Mamo is used to kill the dragons that lurk in the tier. While Tundy is a Offensive piviot or if it's in rain just a Offensive threat. Latias has the Sub CM set but walled by ferro,blissey/chansey. Or phazed out. What else can Latias do I don't use it often enough to know. I guess it can Dual screen for support. It's not really a sweeper though and i think that the Offensive metagame prefers Latios over Latias.
Yeah i guess. I mean Ape is pretty bad. I prefer something that can take a resisted hit :I
CM-Latias is hardly walled by Ferrothorn, infact Ferrothorn is a bit set up bait, it can only hit Latias with Gyroball, which is easily PP stalled, at +6 Ferrothorn is 2HKOed easily by Dragon Pulse. Blissey and Chansey are a bit of a different story, one has to carefully predict their Seismic Tosses and Toxics with your Recovers and Substitutes, or else Latias is basically dead, still Latias can muscle through them, especially less specially defensive versions, people have done it to me and I have done it to other people using Latias.
Could someone explain me, how the "checks and counters" in this list (http://paste.ubuntu.com/5849778/) are generated?
I would appreciate a more accurate list of "checks and counters" - like which pokemon switch into pokemon x and if they switch out or stay. This could be awesome for teambuilding - because now it looks like a list of pokémon who are switched in a pokémon because a member of a team died last turn ^_^
I would appreciate a more accurate list of "checks and counters" - like which pokemon switch into pokemon x and if they switch out or stay. This could be awesome for teambuilding - because now it looks like a list of pokémon who are switched in a pokémon because a member of a team died last turn ^_^
| 19 | Ninetales | 9.642% || 36 | Venusaur | 6.678% | Ummm Why are almost a third of sun teams not running Venusaur? If they are not running Venusaur then they should be running Victreebel.
| 120 | Victreebel | 0.597% | Which isn't the case lol
| 120 | Victreebel | 0.597% | Which isn't the case lol
It's worth noting that Venusaur is #36 in both the regular stats and the 1850 stats. It's also worth noting that Chlorophyll has a fairly wide distribution - Sawsbuck, Shiftry, Victreebel, Lilligant and even Jumpluff are viable replacements for Venusaur if you're looking for something that can perform in a way Venusaur can't (Sawsbuck is a standard physical Chloro sweeper, Jumpluff is a physical "sweeper" that's still fast enough to function outside of weather, Shiftry has STAB Sucker Punch and Explosion on its side as well as workable mixed attacking prowess, Victreebel is a bit stronger than Venusaur, and Lilligant is able to sweep in or out of Sun thanks to Quiver Dance). There are also a fair few not-so-viable Chlorophyll Pokemon as well, like Bellossom (which is amusing to say the least).
As someone who's undergone vast improvement over the last few months and thus has it fresh in his mind, it's all down to a VAST majority of the ladder being bad. Like really bad, like don't know how/aren't even trying to win bad. I mean even 1850 stats are less than perfect, but if you're trying to build a picture of the metagame by looking at the regular stats (like I used to), I can tell you its less than worthless.
Can't think of any solutions other than to increase the weighting factor really, but can't really say my understanding of the formula is enough for me to really weigh in on that. But yeah, there definitely is something wrong if you compare usage stats to how the game is really played, imo.
Ok, it seems important to let it know for all these which didn't read the weighted stats FAQ : 1850 stats are NOT stats weighted around 1850.
So-called "1850 stats" are weighted around 1500. It means in particular that the first match of every new account will have his mon weighted with 50%, and that someone with a deviation of, say 100, and a rating say of 1600, will count at 83%.
So-called "1850 stats" allow to takes out the worst player who spam their beloved bad mon or random bad teams, but they shouldn't be seen as "what good players plays".
About this month stats, most changes are absolutely absurd in competitive term (great increase of Cloyster, Nape, Jolteon, Espeon or Charizard, a lot less use for Terrakion, Heatran (I found him a little bit too used in term of rank, but not of %), Scizor, Keldeo (!!!) and others). As say someone probably due to an influx of new players. Sad to see that these stats are still these used for tiering, which is a non-sens.
So-called "1850 stats" are weighted around 1500. It means in particular that the first match of every new account will have his mon weighted with 50%, and that someone with a deviation of, say 100, and a rating say of 1600, will count at 83%.
So-called "1850 stats" allow to takes out the worst player who spam their beloved bad mon or random bad teams, but they shouldn't be seen as "what good players plays".
About this month stats, most changes are absolutely absurd in competitive term (great increase of Cloyster, Nape, Jolteon, Espeon or Charizard, a lot less use for Terrakion, Heatran (I found him a little bit too used in term of rank, but not of %), Scizor, Keldeo (!!!) and others). As say someone probably due to an influx of new players. Sad to see that these stats are still these used for tiering, which is a non-sens.
Oh for the love of of the almighty christ and his 12 best buds
Please, please, tell us what other method should be used to make tiers and the whole metagame?
For one, you could just use 1850 stats and I feel like you'd end up with a better OU tier.
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