Piloswine

[BurningMan]

With Hail being banned from all lower tiers isn't Oblivious the "superior" ability, because noone ever uses Hail without snow warning while attract is at least occasionally used by some noobs.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Hail is still usable, so I don't really know anymore

 

[jake]

With Hail being banned from all lower tiers isn't Oblivious the "superior" ability, because noone ever uses Hail without snow warning while attract is at least occasionally used by some noobs.

both abilities suck so it doesn't matter really. "occasionally used by some noobs" applies to both anyway

Hail is still usable, so I don't really know anymore

it is not good especially when compared to sunny day / rain dance who both get speed boosters, stab power boosts, solarbeam, dry skin, etc

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Can I not mention an ability? It's easier that way, since they're both awful xD

 

[tennisace]

Ok you mention like no teammates for Piloswine in either set and that's not good. You need to talk about what weaknesses it has and what Pokemon cover those weaknesses. You said Piloswine hates status. Well, Lickilicky can sponge special attacks and give Piloswine not only Heal Bell support, but Wish support too. Misdreavus covers Piloswine's Fighting weakness and gives it Heal Bell support while also burning big physical threats so Piloswine can wall them easier. See where I'm going with this?

 

[jake]

In addition to that, Dugtrio (mentioned in the first set's AC) is no longer NU. You can probably cut that list of five mons to just Swellow and Golem, as the rest are uncommon. I would also rather not mention Meganium as an Aromatherapy partner as it compounds a Fire-type weakness and really doesn't help with Water-types as the common ones like Gorebyss and Samurott crush Meganium with Ice Beam and Megahorn respectively.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

I only noticed now I did not read the last two comments of the previous page and went straight away to the ability discussion, thus not correcting any AC mentions of partners. My apologies D:

I think it's a bit more complete now

 

[jake]

About the ability thing; you probably should just add a sentence in each AC stating that the ability selection really doesn't matter etc.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Alright, mentioned both abilities. Also, should I make a DW section about Thick Fat (the best ability)? If so, which moves are illegal with it?

 

[-Tsunami-]

Alright, mentioned both abilities. Also, should I make a DW section about Thick Fat (the best ability)? If so, which moves are illegal with it?

Yeah, definitely. It is illegal with both Ice Shard and Icicle Crash.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Wat. Are you kidding me? Icicle Spear ftw? xD
What about Superpower?

 

[JockeMS]

Ok, listen up now.

DW Piloswine wasn't released from the beginning of this and still isn't.

The DW section was supposed to be there when you started, so yes, add one and say it will be the most useful ability etc. No need to mention the illegal moves, because we don't know if there is any yet. Except maybe Superpower. It might be a special move via DW or not. Just say it can possibly be illegal with Thick Fat.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Alright, changes implemented

 

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[Overview]

<p>Originally a final evolution back in GSC, Piloswine was not given much importance in the previous generation due to being rewarded with a much stronger evolution. However, BW gave Piloswine an advantage over Mamoswine: Eviolite. With Eviolite, Piloswine is now bulkier than its evolutionMamoswine, and when paired with a respectably high Attack stat, Piloswine can finally be properly used in the lower tiers. Its amazing offensive typing and powerful STAB moves make it a very strong, bulky offensive Pokemon. Piloswine also has a good support movepool, being able to lay down Stealth Rock and poison the opponents with Toxic, even though it lacks a viable form of recovery. Therefore, Piloswine can be a viable choice for any weather team, without you having to worry about major disadvantages. However, Piloswine is not known for its Speed, making sweeping a very difficult task to performit tougher for Pilsowine to sweep.</p>

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Ice Shard
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Toxic
item: Eviolite
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set takes advantage of Piloswine's strengths: good HP, and Attack stats, a reasonable Defense stat, and the ability to make use of Eviolite. With the combination of these four, Piloswine can performwork as a physical tank with multiple functions: it can take hits from physical threats while hitting hard when needed with Earthquake, it can revenge kill weak opponents with Ice Shard, and it can support the team by laying down Stealth Rock, thus racking up crucial residual damage, or inflicting Toxic poison on the opponent's Pokemon. This allows Piloswine's teammates to take them down easierKO the opposing Pokemon with ease after residual damage provided from weak hits, entry hazards, or Toxic stalling.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Piloswine has two abilities in hisit arsenal: Oblivious and Snow Cloak. However, they are not very useful; while Oblivious prevents Piloswine from falling in love by being hit by an Attract, whereas Snow Cloak raises Piloswine's evasion in Hail, but since Snover was removed from NU, Hail is now very uncommon. In order to use this set to its fullest potential, Piloswine needs maximum investment in HP and Defense in order to take hits from physically offensive Pokemon, such as Swellow and Golem, keeping these Pokemon from sweeping. Some Attack investment can be used if you need Piloswine to hit a little bit harder. In addition, Piloswine simply hates status, both burn and poison, since either will hinder either Piloswine's survivability, or its offensive performance. For this reason, Rest is a viable option over Toxic, since it's Piloswine's only form of recovery, but that would require a presence of a cleric, such as Lickilicky andor Audino, both providing Wish support as well. Mismagius is also an excelent partner for Piloswine since it can heal Piloswine forrom any status conditions by using Heal Bell, it is immune to Fighting-type moves which Piloswine is weak to and, finally, Misdreavus can burn the opponents with Will-O-Wisp, thus making Piloswine's job of walling physical threats a lot easier.</p>

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Earthquake
move 2: Icicle Crash / Icicle Spear
move 3: Ice Shard
move 4: Stone Edge / Superpower
item: Choice Band / Eviolite
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>HavingWith a usable base 100 Attack, Piloswine can definitely make very good use of it with a relatively large movepool and a wide movepool, Piloswine can use this to its offensive advantage. Earthquake is a menace to every Pokemon that does not resist it or is immune to it and thus it is Piloswine's main offensive choice. It also has the potential to break through most walls, since most of the physical walls in the tier are weak to Ground-type moves. Icicle Crash and Icicle Spear are Piloswine's secondary STAB moves, though they have different purposes. Despite both hitting Flying-types for super effective damage, Icicle Crash is overall a safer move with a chance to flinch, while Icicle Spear can be tricky but it has the ability to hit through Substitute. Ice Shard lets Piloswine perform the job of a revenge killer by picking off weakened Pokemon. As for the last slot, it's a matter of preference. If you chose Icicle Crash, you'll have to use Stone Edge, (comma) since Superpower is illegal with Icicle Crash. However, if you chose Icicle Spear, you can use either one. Superpower has more power, but it lowers Piloswine's Attack and Defense, whereas Stone Edge has a shaky accuracy, but doesn't lower any stat.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Piloswine has two usable abilities: Oblivious, which prevents Piloswine from getting infactuated and Snow Cloak which raises Piloswine's evasion under Hail. However, they abilities are not very useful because they are very circumstanctial, since Hail dropped in usage after Snover getting banned and Attract is ovgenerally a very uncommon move. The choice of the item is a matter of what you are looking for on Piloswine. Choice Band takes Piloswine to another level, while Eviolite lets Piloswine hit hard with the ability to switch moves and take some hits better. Since Piloswine is very slow, there's no point in running Speed investmentinvesting in Speed. Instead, the EVs are put into HP to increase Piloswine's survivability. However, it is to note that, even with Eviolite, Piloswine is still very susceptible to Special moves, therefore a Special wall like Audino, which also can give Wish support to Piloswine, is recommended. Preventing status conditions is also vital for Piloswine.{why? explain the reason} Lickilicky can pass Wishes to Piloswine as well as heal it from any status conditions by using Heal Bell. The same happens with Misdreavus, which trades the ability to pass Wishes for burning opponents with Will-O-Wisp. Like every other sweeper, Piloswine loves entry hazards. As such, Pokemon likesuch as Cradily, Miltank and Torkoal are good teammates.</p>
[Other Options]

<p>Piloswine has other moves oin its arsenal that are also viable for use. Body Slam can be used over a coverage move to deal paralysis,. Amnesia and Light Screen boost Piloswine's rather low Special Defense stat,. Endeavor can be used with Ice Shard, and Curse gives Piloswine more Attack and Defense that may be useful in a sweep, though if sweeping with Piloswine, then Trick Room should be used. Speaking of which, Trick Room can also be used, since Piloswine's Speed stat is awful. Another note goes to Endure, which can be used when pinch Berries are released.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Nothing enjoys taking hits coming from a base 100 Attack, but there are some Pokemon that can still threaten Piloswine. Duosion is probably the best check to Piloswine, as it can take any hit, even a Choice Banded Earthquake, and set up Calm Mind/Trick Room and then proceed to sweep, while being immune to Toxic thanks to its ability, Magic Guard. Most special attackers that are not weak to Ice, and carry a Water-, Grass- or Fire-type move, such as Gorebyss, Samurott, and Magmortar, can also take care of Piloswine, since the pig has a low Special Defense stat. If Piloswine doesn't carry Rest, Toxic works perfectly since it will wear down Piloswine very fast due to its lack of a recovery move.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Once Piloswine is released from Dream World, it will finally have a good ability to use: Thick Fat. It cuts in half the damage taken by Ice- and Fire-type moves, meaning Piloswine will stop having a weakness to Fire-type attacks. However, this may imply that Piloswine loses some amazing attacks like Superpower, if it does not show up as a Dream World special event move.</p>

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[Overview]

<p>Originally a final evolution back in GSC, Piloswine was not given much importance in the previous generation due to being rewarded with a much stronger evolution. However, BW gave Piloswine an advantage over Mamoswine: Eviolite. With Eviolite, Piloswine is now bulkier than Mamoswine, and when paired with a respectably high Attack stat, Piloswine can finally be properly used in the lower tiers. Its amazing offensive typing and powerful STAB moves make it a very strong, bulky offensive Pokemon. Piloswine also has a good support movepool, being able to lay down Stealth Rock and poison the opponents with Toxic, even though it lacks a viable form of recovery. Therefore, Piloswine can be a viable choice for any weather team, without you having to worry about major disadvantages. However, Piloswine is not known for its Speed, making it tougher for Pilsowine to sweep.</p>

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Ice Shard
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Toxic
item: Eviolite
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set takes advantage of Piloswine's strengths: good HP, and Attack stats, a reasonable Defense stat, and the ability to make use of Eviolite. With the combination of these four, Piloswine can work as a physical tank with multiple functions: it can take hits from physical threats while hitting hard when needed with Earthquake, it can revenge kill weak opponents with Ice Shard, and it can support the team by laying down Stealth Rock, thus racking up crucial residual damage, or inflicting Toxic poison on the opponent's Pokemon. This allows Piloswine's teammates to KO the opposing Pokemon with ease after residual damage provided from weak hits, entry hazards, or Toxic stalling.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Piloswine has two abilities in it arsenal: Oblivious and Snow Cloak. However, they are not very useful; while Oblivious prevents Piloswine from falling in love by being hit by an Attract, whereas Snow Cloak raises Piloswine's evasion in Hail, but since Snover was removed from NU, Hail is now very uncommon. In order to use this set to its fullest potential, Piloswine needs maximum investment in HP and Defense in order to take hits from physically offensive Pokemon, such as Swellow and Golem, keeping these Pokemon from sweeping. Some Attack investment can be used if you need Piloswine to hit a little bit harder. In addition, Piloswine hates status, both burn and poison, since either will hinder either Piloswine's survivability, or its offensive performance. For this reason, Rest is a viable option over Toxic, since it's Piloswine's only form of recovery, but that would require a presence of a cleric, such as Lickilicky or Audino, both providing Wish support as well. Mismagius is also an excelent partner for Piloswine since it can heal Piloswine from any status conditions by using Heal Bell, it is immune to Fighting-type moves which Piloswine is weak to and, finally, Misdreavus can burn the opponents with Will-O-Wisp, thus making Piloswine's job of walling physical threats a lot easier.</p>

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Earthquake
move 2: Icicle Crash / Icicle Spear
move 3: Ice Shard
move 4: Stone Edge / Superpower
item: Choice Band / Eviolite
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With a usable base 100 Attack and a wide movepool, Piloswine can use this to its offensive advantage. Earthquake is a menace to every Pokemon that does not resist it or is immune to it and thus it is Piloswine's main offensive choice. It also has the potential to break through most walls, since most of the physical walls in the tier are weak to Ground-type moves. Icicle Crash and Icicle Spear are Piloswine's secondary STAB moves, though they have different purposes. Despite both hitting Flying-types for super effective damage, Icicle Crash is overall a safer move with a chance to flinch, while Icicle Spear can be tricky but it has the ability to hit through Substitute. Ice Shard lets Piloswine perform the job of a revenge killer by picking off weakened Pokemon. As for the last slot, it's a matter of preference. If you chose Icicle Crash, you'll have to use Stone Edge, since Superpower is illegal with Icicle Crash. However, if you chose Icicle Spear, you can use either one. Superpower has more power, but it lowers Piloswine's Attack and Defense, whereas Stone Edge has a shaky accuracy, but doesn't lower any stat.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Piloswine has two usable abilities: Oblivious, which prevents Piloswine from getting infatuated and Snow Cloak which raises Piloswine's evasion under Hail. However, the abilities are not very useful because they are very circumstantial, since Hail dropped in usage after Snover getting banned and Attract is generally a very uncommon move. The choice of the item is a matter of what you are looking for on Piloswine. Choice Band takes Piloswine to another level, while Eviolite lets Piloswine hit hard with the ability to switch moves and take some hits better. Since Piloswine is very slow, there's no point in investing in Speed. Instead, the EVs are put into HP to increase Piloswine's survivability. However, it is to note that, even with Eviolite, Piloswine is still very susceptible to Special moves, therefore a Special wall like Audino, which also can give Wish support to Piloswine, is recommended. Preventing status conditions is also vital for Piloswine. Lickilicky can pass Wishes to Piloswine as well as heal it from any status conditions by using Heal Bell. The same happens with Misdreavus, which trades the ability to pass Wishes for burning opponents with Will-O-Wisp. Like every other sweeper, Piloswine loves entry hazards. As such, Pokemon such as Cradily, Miltank and Torkoal are good teammates.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Piloswine has other moves in its arsenal that are also viable for use. Body Slam can be used over a coverage move to deal paralysis. Amnesia and Light Screen boost Piloswine's rather low Special Defense stat. Endeavor can be used with Ice Shard, and Curse gives Piloswine more Attack and Defense that may be useful in a sweep, though if sweeping with Piloswine, then Trick Room should be used. Speaking of which, Trick Room can also be used, since Piloswine's Speed stat is awful. Another note goes to Endure, which can be used when pinch Berries are released.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Nothing enjoys taking hits coming from a base 100 Attack, but there are some Pokemon that can still threaten Piloswine. Duosion is probably the best check to Piloswine, as it can take any hit, even a Choice Banded Earthquake, and set up Calm Mind/Trick Room and then proceed to sweep, while being immune to Toxic thanks to its ability, Magic Guard. Most special attackers that are not weak to Ice, and carry a Water-, Grass- or Fire-type move, such as Gorebyss, Samurott, and Magmortar, can also take care of Piloswine, since the pig has a low Special Defense stat. If Piloswine doesn't carry Rest, Toxic works perfectly since it will wear down Piloswine very fast due to its lack of a recovery move.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Once Piloswine is released from Dream World, it will finally have a good ability to use: Thick Fat. It cuts in half the damage taken by Ice- and Fire-type moves, meaning Piloswine will stop having a weakness to Fire-type attacks. However, this may imply that Piloswine loses some amazing attacks like Superpower, if it does not show up as a Dream World special event move.</p>

Once you implement the changes:

GP 2/2

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Thank you everyone, this is now done!

 

[Komodo]

This is much better